Tron Legacy

[DarthSkywalker]

What you just posted is factually incorrect, just FYI.

You could ammend your post by stating that his movies stopped emotionally connecting to YOU. But to say they stopped doing that period is utterly false, and anyone with at least one functioning neuron would realise that the emotions his films create are the reasons why they are so successful.

Not at all. Success has nothing to do with it. Suddenly going for the lowest common denominator in terms of audience, says nothing about the genuine emotion in a film. If so people would consider daytime soaps or American Idol truly emotionally connecting past the surface level. Instead what you are left with is the manipulation of basic emotions, as opposed to a film which in and of itself creates emotions which one can connect to.

T2 is its own maestro. Titanic and Avatar depend on you being weepy about cliches like star crossed love and what us dirty Americans did to the Native Americans and the rain forest.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

If its so easy then why does no other film come even close to Titanic and Avatar in Box Office?

 

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

I think what made Avatar succesful (other than the 3D and the CGI) was that it had characters and settings we had´nt seen before, it wasnt a sequel nor reboot nor adaptation everything was Cameron´s idea, and lets face it the battles between the humans and the na´vi were kick-@ss, sure the story was cliche but hey, nowadays, what isnt? please dont mention inception, lol that rhymed.....

 

[Passdom]

If the emotion wasn't genuine, then people would not have gone to see the movies 5+ times in a row, leading to the 2 biggest film grosses of all time.

The way you describe it, you'd think every schmuck with pen, paper and a camera would be able to be as successful as Cameron. Yet, nobody on earth makes films as successful as Cameron, nobody on earth makes movies that connect with the entire worldwide cinema going audience like Cameron does.

When it comes to making movies that connect with a global audience, there isn't a single filmmaker alive that can wear Camerons shoes, and that's all there is to it.

 

[블라스]

And your post is my exact point. Complaining without reason. If you want to complain about my post, perhaps you could actually provide a counterpoint to it.

I thought it was pretty simple.
You're assuming that people that didn't like the story either didn't get it, or found it too simple/complicated and that's condescending, not to mention annoying.
You loved the story? Awesome.
Some of us didn't, and it wasn't because we didn't get it or found it too *whatever*.

 

[Passdom]

My favorite thing about people constantly trying to tear down Cameron's numerous accomplishments is that they always try to sum it all up to be something so easy, simple and obvious.

Yet there isn't anyone on earth who does what he does. You'd think they'd realize the clear disconnect between their silly statements and reality.

But whatever, nothing paints a target on your back like success does.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think the visuals were absolutely amazing, but the story was just okay. The Clue/Flynn dynamic was easily the most interesting aspect, but outside that the story was bland. Sam was a by the numbers protagonist, I didn't care much about Cora outside of her being hot, and a few plot threads were terribly underdeveloped. Michael Sheen stole the movie, but evaluating the story, he was entirely pointless, despite him being my favorite character in the film.

I give it a 4/5 in 3D, and probably a 3.5 or 3 out of 5 outside of it. Good, not great.

 

[xwolverine2]

Easy. Avatar had something called "emotional connection". Cameron's specialty.

false... sam worthington cannot show emotion.

and the cartoon villain from avatar was somehow less of a real character than Clu lol

Avatar was purely praised for its visuals and visuals only(and maybe 3d)... hence the lack of a nomination for best screenplay lol... it didnt even have any cool or memorable action scenes that leaves you wanting more.

so whats wrong with tron having a simple story and incredible visuals. The human characters were very well fleshed out too... even some of the programs in the tron world as well. Id rather a simple original story than a cliche'd outdone one.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

it didnt even have any cool or memorable action scenes that leaves you wanting more.

False

 

[xwolverine2]

which scene with the nav'i running around the jungle was memorable?

 

[S.A.A.D.]

I really liked it.


Tron Legacy to me leaves behind a very likable product,it's self for the most part,however in my mind it throws out a tad too much of clarity out the window. Clu sometimes acted as if it was a duty to go after Sam's disc(this isn't a major flaw for me),insteading of acting as if it was a necessity enough. Castor doing the betraying lacked dramatic weight,it was pointless for Castor to turn on Sam. It was as if there was nothing that Clu could offer to him that would make it worth his while to betray Sam,I didn't understand why Clu needed Sam's disc. Even though I gave the movie an 8,I'm going to say that I would give it an 8.5 since that option wasn't a part of the poll. My favorite character in the movie was Quorra. She injected some needed emotion into the movie from the humanish side that was missing,she looks hot,sounds hot,and comes off as pretty flawless,and she's a bad *** too. She's awesome software,another minor nitpick is the dialog,there isn't anything worth quoting.

I thought that the 3D and acting were first-rate,the music,and the CGI. I was convinced that Quorra didn't end up in the real world,very convinced. If she had died in the number world then the movie would have been a tad more worse.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The story wasn't that original, though. Aspects of it were, but at its core, it was a story we've seen done many times.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

which scene with the nav'i running around the jungle was memorable?

All of them. The composition, framing, pace and editing are better than any action movie I have seen last decade. Cameron knows action better than anyone in Hollywood.

 

[Passdom]

false... sam worthington cannot show emotion.

Categorically false, unless you watched the film with your eyes closed or just assumed that his Avatar performance isn't his. Protip: It is. He's not the greatest actor in the world, but to say that he can't showcase emotion is blatantly false

and the cartoon villain from avatar was somehow less of a real character than Clu lol

This is amusing considering some of the people that have been in charge of the US in the past decade.

Avatar was purely praised for its visuals and visuals only(and maybe 3d)... hence the lack of a nomination for best screenplay lol... it didnt even have any cool or memorable action scenes that leaves you wanting more.

Yeah, thats why people went to see the movie 4, 5, 6+ times in theaters. Because it didn't leave them wanting more.

You have a massive case of delusion brother.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If the emotion wasn't genuine, then people would not have gone to see the movies 5+ times in a row, leading to the 2 biggest film grosses of all time.

The way you describe it, you'd think every schmuck with pen, paper and a camera would be able to be as successful as Cameron. Yet, nobody on earth makes films as successful as Cameron, nobody on earth makes movies that connect with the entire worldwide cinema going audience like Cameron does.

When it comes to making movies that connect with a global audience, there isn't a single filmmaker alive that can wear Camerons shoes, and that's all there is to it.

Of course not. There are plenty of racist out there. It takes talent to be Hilter.

Cameron is an incredible director, making mediocre films. His early resume attest to this. I can't think of anyone in their right mind who would say Avatar or Titanic are anything close to the quality of T2 or Aliens.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Who was comparing Avatar and Titanic to T2 and Aliens?

The point of discussion was why Tron will never make Avatar numbers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I thought it was pretty simple.
You're assuming that people that didn't like the story either didn't get it, or found it too simple/complicated and that's condescending, not to mention annoying.
You loved the story? Awesome.
Some of us didn't, and it wasn't because we didn't get it or found it too *whatever*.

If you can't explain it, you are just proving my point.

so whats wrong with tron having a simple story and incredible visuals. The human characters were very well fleshed out too... even some of the programs in the tron world as well. Id rather a simple original story than a cliche'd outdone one.

Tron is not a simple story. It is told in a simple manner as not to alienate those that are not versed in the tech world. But it is not simple.

 

[xwolverine2]

The point of discussion was why Tron will never make Avatar numbers.

 

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

false... sam worthington cannot show emotion.

and the cartoon villain from avatar was somehow less of a real character than Clu lol

Avatar was purely praised for its visuals and visuals only(and maybe 3d)... hence the lack of a nomination for best screenplay lol... it didnt even have any cool or memorable action scenes that leaves you wanting more.

so whats wrong with tron having a simple story and incredible visuals. The human characters were very well fleshed out too... even some of the programs in the tron world as well. Id rather a simple original story than a cliche'd outdone one.

Tron Legacy is also praised by its visuals, and nothing else, I wouldnt even say praised just look at the RT score.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Who was comparing Avatar and Titanic to T2 and Aliens?

The point of discussion was why Tron will never make Avatar numbers.

That wasn't the conversation I was having.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yet Tron Legacy doesn't seem to have the emotional strings to pull a ginormous global audience in.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yet Tron Legacy doesn't seem to have the emotional strings to pull a ginormous global audience in.

Neither did Memento, or Never Let Me Go, or Blade Runner. Doesn't change them being far more emotionally arresting films.

Like Tron.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Do we REALLY need a Tron vs Avatar discussion? Both are entirely different films outside the 3D similarity.

 

[xwolverine2]

Tron is not a simple story. It is told in a plain manner as not to alienate those that are not versed in the tech world.

i mean in terms of their journey... the whole final 3 quarters of the film is them quickly flying to the portal with no obstacles or new characters along the way.

its like if the hobbits had jetpacks in the lotr and quickly flew to mordor ...lol

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Neither did Memento, or Never Let Me Go, or Blade Runner. Doesn't change them being far more emotionally arresting films.

Like Tron.

Okay.