Tron Legacy

[dark_b]

Great interview J. They really tapped into what I most enjoyed about the film, the idea's beyond what is directly stated. Like, what implications do the Iso's have in the real world?

The fact that this sort of stuff is in a 250 million dollar film and people are still insulting it baffles me. Weren't these the same people who were saying "intelligent sci-fi" is back when District 9 came out?

i think a lot of people dont like the structure of the movie. that they dont need to talk about the themes and all the universe that the writters created.

to some people the movie sucks and end of story. they dont need to find anyothing more. the first impression was bad so they are finished with tron.

i understand them.

 

[Midnight Black]

So since I take it everyone has pretty much seen the film now I don't have to spoiler tag anything anymore lol. With that being said, I have a question about derezz and the sea of "whatever it's called."

1) So programs can't die? They are just destroyed and brought back digitally later or can they be terminated forever?

2) [BLACKOUT]Rizzler/Tron[/BLACKOUT] (I don't want to ruin it for anyone) falls into the the sea and then his suit turns blue, meaning he has rebooted and is back to his old self. However, does everyone think he is alive after falling into the sea of "whatever it's called," swimming back up to safety, or that he just died after redeeming himself?

3) Flynn {Kevin} said CLU didn't have the power to destroy programs, however he killed Gem and Castor. Does that mean they are gone forever or just for the time being until they can re-digitize?

Also, did anyone think that it would have been funny if Clu made it out only to find out that he was the size of 1/100 of a microchip or turned into a piece of silicon lol.

 

[Kane52630]

If you guys remember the first Tron film, it was pretty obvious that theres a religious subtext. Even Sark himself said in the film about these religious relics

 

[ttotheusher]

Midnight Black,

In regard's to the first, I have no idea. They never really state whether 'derezzing' someone is like hitting the delete button on the keyboard, maybe there's a recycle bin around somewhere on the Grid.

Second, I suppose that's up to the writer's of any future media to decide his fate.

And thirdly, Flynn actually did say that Clu could kill, I remember him saying he can 'destroy or repurpose' old programs.

 

[J.Howlett]

Repurpose...

 

[Midnight Black]

Midnight Black,

In regard's to the first, I have no idea. They never really state whether 'derezzing' someone is like hitting the delete button on the keyboard, maybe there's a recycle bin around somewhere on the Grid.

Ok, I was wondering about that. In the first film when a program was derezzed it was deleted forever, but it seems like in this film there is a way for them to be brought back.

Second, I suppose that's up to the writer's of any future media to decide his fate.

Yea, I guess so. I just hate when things aren't explained fully, it's almost like a cop-out for writers to do whatever they want to, when they want to. I could have swore that falling into the sea would terminate a program forever and that it was implied somewhere in the film. However, Tron wasn't subjected to the Grid alone and could go off Grid, seeing how he was from the Mainframe on a different server.

And thirdly, Flynn actually did say that Clu could kill, I remember him saying he can 'destroy or repurpose' old programs.

Yea, I remember something like that being said too. However, I thought it was more along the lines of he could re-purpose or have them play the games, because towards the end of the film I swear I remember Kevin saying that he couldn't destroy programs and that he didn't have the power to.

 

[J.Howlett]

Prek,

We might be having differing definitions on this one. I concede on the Iso's, even though I still contend that that didn't need anymore explore.

The idea of free information in the digital world/our digital society is pretty much the entire film, from top to bottom. It begins with Sam's idea of what Encom should stand for when it comes to information/programs with his prank and it ends with Flynn's destruction of CLU and what that represents, in terms of allegory....

...the problem comes with not understanding TECHNICALLY (in detail) what would happen if CLU and the programs he repurpose did in fact get out of the Grid. But, for me, that didn't matter. The threat was enough because of CLU's programming and purpose as a being.

 

[Midnight Black]

If you guys remember the first Tron film, it was pretty obvious that theres a religious subtext. Even Sark himself said in the film about these religious relics

A lot of these cats don't remember the first film lol. I remember speaking to people and they were astounded that there was a first film made in the 80s. I' m only 27, but I've seen the first film more times than a lil.

 

[dark_b]

i still think that what they did with the character [BLACKOUT]Tron[/BLACKOUT] was not clear to the general public.

 

[J.Howlett]

dark,

On second viewing, it was clear but it's not full enough. Frankly, both films can be accused of that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It is clear, just poorly done. I feel nothing about that because it was horrifically underdeveloped.

 

[zanos]

I don't know why everyone is hating on the film; I was flipping thru various newspapers this week and everytime I saw a review of Tron there was always a huge star right next to it, sometimes I might even see a star and 1/2!

 

[Midnight Black]

I thought it was a good film. I don't get how a lot of people are saying they fell asleep, didn't feel a connection to the characters, and that Olivia Wilde was the best part of the film. I thought the film was solid and did justice as a sequel to the first.

Yeah, the story could have been a lil more developed and certain characters could have had more explanation and back story, but overall I thought it was good.

 

[Warhammer]

I thought it was a good film. I don't get a lot are saying they fell asleep, didn't feel a connection to the characters, and that Olivia Wilde was the best part of the film. I thought the film was solid and did justice as a sequel to the first.

Yeah, the story could have been a lil more developed and certain characters could have had more explanation and back story, but overall I thought it was good.

Even though she didn't have too much to do in the film, her little mannerisms and charisma made her the best part of the film.

 

[Brian Braddock]

My fiance hated it and said it was boring and that's normally a gauge of a films quality - if she doesnt like it [or understand it] then the odds are that its pretty damn decent.

Damn, I hope it gets a sequel.

 

[dark_b]

Quorra was cute in the movie. she was in a way like Leeloo from 5th Element.

 

[Midnight Black]

My fiance hated it and said it was boring and that's normally a gauge of a films quality - if she doesnt like it [or understand it] then the odds are that its pretty damn decent.

Damn, I hope it gets a sequel.

HAHA......I think those who enjoyed the first film, will have no problem with this more so than those who never saw the first film.

Even though she didn't have too much to do in the film, her little mannerisms and charisma made her the best part of the film.

The woman is just sexy. She could do nothing and she would still be good. Just look at how many people said they liked the film for Gem (chick in white) she didn't do anything, but I have heard countless times that people say she was the best part.

 

[Warhammer]

The woman is just sexy. She could do nothing and she would still be good. Just look at how many people said they liked the film for Gem (chick in white) she didn't do anything, but I have heard countless times that people say she was the best part.

Gem was fine as hell, but I didn't think she was the best part. However, I disagree with you about Olivia Wilde. She wasn't "just sexy." Megan Fox in the Transformers films was just sexy. She didn't amount to anything in those movies but to be eye candy. Olivia Wilde genuinely did well with what little screen time she had.

 

[Midnight Black]

Gem was fine as hell, but I didn't think she was the best part. However, I disagree with you about Olivia Wilde. She wasn't "just sexy." Megan Fox in the Transformers films was just sexy. She didn't amount to anything in those movies but to be eye candy. Olivia Wilde genuinely did well with what little screen time she had.

Agreed. I'm not saying that she didn't do well. She did. She [her character Quorra] was essential to the film, and Olivia did great. I just don't think that she overshadowed any of the other actors or was that much better than Garrett/Sam or Kevin/Jeff. I've heard others say that she was far better than those two and that Hudland/Sam was like a piece of wood. I didn't see it. I thought he was good and on for what/whom he was portraying.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Loved Wilde's laugh in the lightbuggy (?) scene; sounded so natural and not at all forced (which is a feat that may be harder than some think).

I have to be honest here too, I didnt find her sexy either. More sort of innocent and wholesome.

 

[lime]

Loved Wilde's laugh in the lightbuggy (?) scene; sounded so natural and not at all forced (which is a feat that may be harder than some think).

I have to be honest here too, I didnt find her sexy either. More sort of innocent and wholesome.

Well for me, personally, her innocence made her sexy.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Saw it last night. I give it a 9/10. Loved it! It was entertaining, the soundtrack was awesome and I had a good time. The only thing that bugged me was the de-aging effect on Bridges. That tech just isn't up to par IMO and really stood out as an eyesore. Once they were on the Grid it was less of a problem since everything was digital, but in the first scene where Flynn is at home with his son it was bugging me. Other than that I loved it. Olivia Wilde FTW

 

[Midnight Black]

Saw it last night. I give it a 9/10. Loved it! It was entertaining, the soundtrack was awesome and I had a good time. The only thing that bugged me was the de-aging effect on Bridges. That tech just isn't up to par IMO and really stood out as an eyesore. Once they were on the Grid it was less of a problem since everything was digital, but in the first scene where Flynn is at home with his son it was bugging me. Other than that I loved it. Olivia Wilde FTW

Yeah, I think they are getting there. The first scene made me shrug a little to, but thought it was surprisingly good. In the Grid I accepted it more since these were digital beings. Reminded of Arnold in Terminator Salvation, although slightly better. I think Clu's face would have been better if they gave it more expression and mannerisms. It was just stiff, the lighting was a little poor, and there weren't as many imperfections in his face to make it real. If they would have added more facial de-coloration, blemishes, wrinkles, etc. it would have looked a lot more natural and realistic. But all in all I thought it was good and worked for the setting.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

i still think that what they did with the character [BLACKOUT]Tron[/BLACKOUT] was not clear to the general public.

I didn't see the first Tron and I had no idea who Tron was until I was told afterwards.

 

[dark_b]

did anyone think that teh car scene looked like it was a little inspired by the car scene from batman 89?
when he comes into the cave?