Mystery/Thriller Twin Peaks: The Entire Mystery

[Lead Cenobite]

I originally assumed the two kids were Carl and the Log Lady, however, the nuclear test took place in 1945 and the Log Lady was born in 1940. The age of the Log Lady doesn't seem to match up with the girl from the episode.

The stuff with the kids and the woodsman took place in 1956, so it's still possible that it's them, although they look closer to 13 than 16.

 

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The crucial sequel to the New York Times bestselling The Secret History of Twin Peaks, this novel bridges the two series, and takes you deeper into the mysteries raised by the new series.
The return of Twin Peaks this May is one of the most anticipated events in the history of television. The subject of endless speculation, shrouded in mystery, fans will come flocking to see Mark Frost and David Lynch’s inimitable vision once again grace the screen. Featuring all the characters we know and love from the first series, as well as a list of high-powered actors in new roles, the show will be endlessly debated, discussed, and dissected.
While The Secret History of Twin Peaks served to expand the mysteries of the town and place the unexplained phenomena that unfolded there into a vastly layered, wide-ranging history, Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier tells us what happened to key characters in the twenty-five years in between the events of the first series and the second, offering details and insights fans will be clamoring for. The novel also adds context and commentary to the strange and cosmic happenings of the new series. For fans around the world begging for more, Mark Frost’s final take laid out in this novel will be required reading.

 

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The little boy and girl are Log Lady and Carl, based on Secret History of Twin Peaks.

The log lady is a lifetime resident of Twin Peaks. The boy and girl were in New Mexico...it isn't them.

 

[TheVileOne]

The log lady is a lifetime resident of Twin Peaks. The boy and girl were in New Mexico...it isn't them.

Continuity, shmontinuity.

 

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I'm more inclined to believe that the bug frog came from either BOB or Lauras egg, since the girl found the good luck penny I would assume Lauras. My guess is that the girl is Sarah Palmer, hence her ability to see BOB at times as well as the horse.
Who the **** knows though. t:

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think it's Sarah Palmer either since the time-frame would be off.

After re-watching it I'm not really sold on it being Log Lady and Carl. Honestly, I think it's best not to speculate. Because you speculate for the show, and then Frost and Lynch do something even crazier and unexpected.

Just FYI, it seems not many people have picked up on that the creature that vomited the substance with the BOB orb was the same one from the glass box in the first episode. Both are credited as THE EXPERIMENT. What is the experiment? What does it mean? No freaking idea!

 

[Doctor Jones]

I thought the thing that went in the girl's mouth is what created Bob. I thought this whole episode was about the origin of Bob.

But beats ****ing me.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I'm more inclined to believe that the bug frog came from either BOB or Lauras egg, since the girl found the good luck penny I would assume Lauras. My guess is that the girl is Sarah Palmer, hence her ability to see BOB at times as well as the horse.
Who the **** knows though. t:

The egg that the moth frog hatched from looked like it was one of those objects in the Experiment's sputum which also contained the orb with Bob's face. I'm not sure if we ever saw where the golden Laura orb went.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah I don't want to speculate too much about where or even WHEN the Laura Palmer orb went.

And yeah, the weird moth frog hatched from something that looks like that Experiment creature spit up. However, the BOB orb looked separate from those eggs. But again, I don't want to speculate too much on the meaning.

 

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All I know for sure is the show is ****ed up and I'm digging it more and more...
Not getting an episode this week is going to be tough.

 

[TheVileOne]

You think the show is going one way. And it's not even going another. It's simply transported into another spatial dimension and playing baccarat with dinosaurs descended from bacteria in alpha centauri.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I know this is a little off track with what we've been talking about, but how responsible for his actions do you consider Leland to be? There seems to be a consensus that Bob didn't make Leland do every evil act. Like for example, there's the belief that Leland was in control of himself when he slept with Teresa Banks and then later murdered her to stop her from blackmailing him. And then there's Leland saying to Laura "I thought you knew it was me" in the train car, which implies that Leland was speaking for himself then since it's his face that Laura sees.

I know it oversimplifies things to say Leland is a good person and a demon made him do every evil thing he did in his life, but if Leland is raping and murdering girls of his own volition, what is the point in the Bob storyline? I get that it's a metaphor for sexual abuse and people having inner demons, but within the universe of Twin Peaks, the supernatural and demonic possession is very real.

My take is that yeah, Leland did do some evil things while in control, but a lot of his personality may have been influenced by Bob's possession of him in an indirect way. I mean, if Leland was first possessed when he was 8 years old, it really must have emotionally scarred him in unimaginable ways. And after being possessed for so long, the line between Leland and Bob was blurred, and Leland began taking on some of Bob's evil traits just because Leland's mind and body "remembered" those desires.

Also, in some instances, Bob may not have been 100% in control, but I'm sure he has the capability of subconsciously manipulating Leland's actions and desires, like in the "Wash your hands!" scene in FWWM. I think those are things that Leland remembers afterwards, but doesn't understand why he felt the way he did and why he said and did those cruel things, which explains why he started crying in the scene after and went to Laura's room to tell her he loves her. If he didn't remember any of it, then that would make for some serious discontinuity in his life and maybe arouse suspicion if someone mentions something he did and he's like "I don't remember any of that".

This is also why I think Bob was mostly responsible for Teresa's death. He had a reason to want to prevent people from finding out about Leland's secret life. If Leland is caught and sent to prison, then Bob doesn't get to use Leland for pleasure and garmonbozia. And like with Laura and Maddie, he put a piece of paper with a letter from Robert/Bob's name under her fingernail. Why would Leland do this? It seems more like a Bob thing to do that.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think the show presents it to you that you can interpret it multiple ways. That maybe Leland was being possessed by an evil entity who was "making" him do those terrible things. So you can believe that, or you can believe that on some level Leland was complicit in his actions.

You can also just see BOB as sort of a metaphor for that evil monster inside seemingly normal or "good" men who have a double life or do some awful things in secret without others knowing.

It's hard for me to say that Leland Palmer was totally innocent, and I have trouble believing that. But I don't think Lynch and Frost would ever settle on one answer or interpretation.

 

[TheBat812]

I think the show presents it to you that you can interpret it multiple ways. That maybe Leland was being possessed by an evil entity who was "making" him do those terrible things. So you can believe that, or you can believe that on some level Leland was complicit in his actions.

You can also just see BOB as sort of a metaphor for that evil monster inside seemingly normal or "good" men who have a double life or do some awful things in secret without others knowing.

It's hard for me to say that Leland Palmer was totally innocent, and I have trouble believing that. But I don't think Lynch and Frost would ever settle on one answer or interpretation.

I think, like Nolan does, there is an answer they know and have in mind, but the story is presented to be interpretive. Like a great song, or really any great work of art.

 

[Doctor Jones]

i thought with FWM, Lynch sort of fixed the Leland thing where it was part him where season two made it seem he was innocent and tragic when he died.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I'm probably taking things a bit too literally, but it's hard to imagine what Leland went through, having a demon inside him for most of his life, from a young age. I can't entirely fault him for how he turned out, because he was either being totally controlled by Bob at times or was at least behaving in a way that he may not have if Bob had never possessed him. Who knows what kind of person Leland would have been if Bob hadn't come along. Would he have been a shady lawyer working for a corrupt businessman? Would he have visited prostitutes if we're assuming he hired Teresa Banks of his own volition?

 

[Yowza]

I now have 3 books:
Secret History to Twin Peaks by Mark Frost 2016 (excellent background; hope there's a season 4 to further draw from this well of background info. certainly worth picking up and definitely wonder what Final Dossier could possibly add to it)

Twin Peaks FAQ by David Bushman and Arthur Smith 2016 (ok book but disappointed authors don't try harder to exposit their own theories on certain things; I mean can say it's only own theory off of info. so far as disclaimer right??? Overall seems more like a review)

The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer by Jennifer Lynch 1990 (if 1 book to buy this is it even if timeline differs from that presented in TV series)

Can't wait for the Final Dossier this fall. In meantime, think I'll pick up tour Guide to Twin Peaks by Lynch/Frost along with Autobiography of Dale Cooper (may pick up the tapes as well although not have tape player). Can't find these anywhere though and not really want order online but may have to.


Hope the Final Dossier clears up the continuity issues concerning the diary (both a author rationalization for story purposes as well as creative explanation in non-story fashion) as well as re-location of Twin Peaks from NE Washington near Idaho/Canada border to Western part of Washington and/or change of Deer Meadow/trailer park location as well as added insight to other stuff unanswered sense will perhaps be unanswered in season 3.

Edit: Palmer family background, Annie, as well as Dale Cooper, Wyndom Earl, and more on the greys connection to the lodge I'm hoping for in final book as well. Hopefully a season 4 will take things even further beyond the expository stuff explored in the Final Dossier.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Lynch seems to be using things from his Ronnie Rocket script in this season.

 

[Sawyer]

Going to SDCC

Sounds like just cast right now, but Lynch at a Comic Con would be amazing.

 

[TheVileOne]

Lynch will probably go there in Ronald Reagan cosplay and no one will ever know it.

 

[TheVileOne]

David Lynch talked about episode 8 of Twin Peaks: The Return over 11 years ago in his quinoa video.

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http://thesearchforthezone.com

 

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Diane and that text is bugging me...do you think she knows who the sender was or does she believe it to be somebody else?
The message she received was in all caps but that's not how it was sent...I can't believe Lynch would miss that.

 

[TheVileOne]

Diane and that text is bugging me...do you think she knows who the sender was or does she believe it to be somebody else?
The message she received was in all caps but that's not how it was sent...I can't believe Lynch would miss that.

I don't want to jump to any conclusions. She might try to go after him herself to kill him.

I believe she knows who it was. She kept it from Gordon and Albert for a reason.

 

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I don't want to jump to any conclusions. She might try to go after him herself to kill him.

I believe she knows who it was. She kept it from Gordon and Albert for a reason.

That's a good possibility.