Tyler Hoechlin is Clark Kent/Superman

In the Curt Swan era comics it was explained that as Clark, Kal-El would have a slightly different hair style, in addition to the glasses, and he'd also hunch down a little bit to make himself a little bit smaller.
 
I quite enjoyed reading those excerpts you provided on the distinction between sci-fi and fantasy. But I disagreed with much of it. :oldrazz:

In an analytic mood, it might be wondered why some folks favor one of these genres over the other. One possibility has to do with a predilection towards naturalism and/or atheism vs. supernaturalism and/or theism. That is: sci-fi (even if it’s “soft” or wildly speculative) has a naturalistic orientation. In contrast, fantasy tends to embrace the supernatural, the paranormal, magic or quasi-religious signifiers. :shrug:

Yeah, I'd say there's a fantasy element to Batman as well, particularly as he's depicted in the comics. (For obvious reasons, however, this is significantly lesser than that of his superhuman contemporaries.) I'm also a bit curious as to where the writer of said piece, a science-fiction author of some renown w/ over 60 published novels to his credit, stands on other related concepts like time travel. All the same, he does make some valid arguments worthy of consideration. Case in point, Superman is quite literally the product of imagination. The mere notion of a man soaring through the heavens by sheer force of will is unquestionably the stuff of dreams, and whatever fake or specious science is later applied to that so as to give it some light measure of credibility simply doesn't negate the fact. Indeed, it's largely due to this emphasis on fantasy that the paper-thin disguise trope works so well IMO.

From tvtropes.org:

Paper-Thin Disguise

"A character that the other characters should recognize (or at least recognize as out of place) dons a disguise and is treated as neither recognizable nor conspicuous. This disguise is so completely transparent that the audience wants to shout "For the love of God, it's him!"
The external reason for the flimsy disguise may be that the creators want to signal the presence of a disguise to the audience before the other characters catch on (a sort of Reverse Whodunnit). Sometimes, the character may also be a Special Guest the director wants to get their money out of. All the same, you often get The Reveal staged in such a way to make it clear that the director really thought you wouldn't have worked it out by now. For the more perceptive viewers, it's a case of The Un-Twist.

While not a Dead Horse Trope, these days Paper Thin Disguises are parodied as often as they are used seriously. Many Stock Parody Jokes involve a person appearing who coincidentally looks just like the person wearing a bad disguise, usually seen in cartoons.

The trope is still an important dramatic convention in live theater and opera productions — where a really good disguise would render the character unidentifiable from the cheap seats, and be beyond the scope of the prop budget to boot — but is usually employed along with some kind of nod to audience acknowledging the absurdity. This can sometimes be exaggerated for comedic effect, for example wearing bunny ears and becoming indistinguishable from a real rabbit, or pretending to be an ancient statue by simply standing still in a specific pose. Children's shows still employ this trope regularly without any parody element.

This trope differs from the general case of Wig, Dress, Accent in that a Wig, Dress, Accent disguise is always plausible. Paper Thin Disguise also includes the element of being staged as if the disguise really is convincing, which is not generally present in Wig, Dress, Accent."

That said, I have no real beef with calling Superman “fantasy” and (say) Batman “sci-fi.” But to the extent that such genre classifications are valid, so too (IMO) are the sub-genre distinctions. For example, Superman and Captain Marvel/Shazam are virtually identical in terms of their fanciful superpowers (so much so that DC successfully sued Fawcett for copyright infringement). Therefore, put both in the same fantasy category...? Except… one character is explained using a “science” pretext and the other via a wizard who channels gods and magic. This difference, I would argue, warrants at least some acknowledgment and makes separate labels/terminology useful.

While it's true to say that pretext matters, the science in Superman's origin is so "soft" that it's closer to magic in terms of how general audiences largely perceive it. And in virtually all other areas, the character isn't terribly different from (say) Thor, Captain Marvel/Shazam or Wonder Woman. It's precisely for this reason that no one bats an eye when the simple act of throwing a red/green crystal gives rise to a giant fortress in the middle of the Arctic. There's simply no need to explain the science behind it, as the "alien" backstory is presented in a way that's comparable to magic-based fantasy. Sure, we get a quick little explanation for the way Supes' powers work, but that's it really. Pretty much everything else that has a foundation in Kryptonian culture gets a free pass, and it's a free pass by association (i.e., because Supes is an alien). It's almost akin to being lulled into a willing suspension of disbelief. And in some small way, that conditions the mind to accept other questionable things, such as the aforementioned mild-mannered disguise.

But we're going around in circles now, and as it seems like you're still kind of struggling with the fantasy component in the mythos (which, to me, is so obvious and separate from any kind of "soft" science that ultimately fails to account for the character's many wondrous gifts), I don't know if it behooves us to continue this discussion much further. Secondly, if I recall correctly, you're a self-professed specialist in superhero science. And personally, I don't think there's much practical value in that subject beyond the viewing experience, where it mostly functions as a device to help audiences better engage with—and thus enjoy—a given fantasy concept.

In other words, were you to accept that there's a much larger fantasy element at work here, it could fundamentally change the way you approach your beloved pastime, that is, the so-called "science of superheroes." Hence, we'll always be at a standstill.
 
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm kind of hoping that they'll use Edge's costume as the template for Superman's next costume on this. The material and its slim look definitely make it look more appealing and I love the boots as well.
 
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: how anyone could’ve thought Hoechlin was a visually better fit for Batman is beyond me.

Probably because of his role on Teen Wolf.
 
Not sure if this still happens, but… Back in the day, there were occasions where Bats and Supes swapped costumes. :wow: Sometimes, this ruse was employed to thwart a villain. At other times, it was used to reinforce the secret identity trope. E.g., a suspicious Lois Lane would be stymied when Clark Kent and “Superman” appeared at the same event.

The reason this switcheroo worked was because the artwork in comics tended toward the generic. And since most (male) superheroes were uniformly white, tall, handsome, clean shaven, with the requisite chiseled jaw, etc., there wasn’t much visual distinction among them. (Want to draw Aquaman? First draw Superman, then change the hair color.:cwink:) Thus, the superhero costume was the primary visual means to identify one character from another — which is why swapping costumes (at least in the comics) was reliably effective.

Of course, this subterfuge business wouldn’t translate well to live action. But in terms of the generically “tall, dark and handsome” Hoechlin playing either Superman or Batman, I don’t see a major issue.
 
The best Superman since Reeve. He's not just good for a TV Superman actor, he would work as film Superman. Same goes for all the other actors.

What's so interesting is that there are things that was attempted in the Snyder films that failed this show does but excels. If you open the possibility of Superman as a threat, you use it as tension because he's already good. He's not a sociopath. Jesus, it's so refreshing to just see people who get Superman where it'snot some deconstruction, meta, or darker take because people think he's "too boring."

No pedestal, no overthinking it, no ****ting on him because he's "too perfect." Superman is a powerful being with flaws and foibles like anyone else who is always battling to uphold his values and mission in the face of anything that defies it. You might as well hire the showrunner to write a damn Superman movie because I don't trust WB to hire anyone else.
 
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New interview. He says he dropped the Keto diet (which he'd been on for the last couple years) in March, which could explain why he's looking a little bulkier now than he did in the pilot.


Tyler Hoechlin Wants to Be Superman for a Long Time *

*Give the man what he wants!

Great read. He clearly gets the character, I thought this quote was very insightful.

"While this role will be just one of many impressive credits that he will add to his résumé, Hoechlin, who did not watch any past interpretations of Superman to prepare for this role, hopes that his portrayal of the Man of Steel will make one thing abundantly clear: Good is not boring.

“I think that’s always the slam on Superman. He’s a boy scout; he always does the right thing. There’s nothing interesting about him just because he’s always so predictable, and I just find that fascinating because it’s not the usual thing,” he says with a smile. “You always say, ‘How many people do you know who do the right thing all the time?’ It’s not easy, so I find it more fascinating than I find it boring that someone can be that selfless, that giving, that content with having the capabilities of taking over the universe, and saying, ‘No, no, what I have is enough, and that’s not my place. That’s not for me.’”

He continues: “Someone asked me, ‘Why do we need Superman now?’ Well, he does stand for hope. And hope is not something that once we get it, we got it, we’re good and it’s done. It’s a constant. It needs to be refilled. New things happen all the time, and we’ve got to be able to look forward and have a hopeful outlook for the future. Otherwise, what are we doing?"
 
Does Clark actually need glasses? If they are a disguise, why is he still wearing them at home with Lois and his kids even when completely in private? Perhaps he really is short-sighted as Clark but somehow not as Superman?
 
Does Clark actually need glasses? If they are a disguise, why is he still wearing them at home with Lois and his kids even when completely in private? Perhaps he really is short-sighted as Clark but somehow not as Superman?

His powers don't change when he is posing as Clark, so I doubt that it's anything to do with eyesight.

I would imagine he keeps them on just in case anyone drops by, or someone is taking photos from a distance, etc. It may also be mentally easier for him to switch to his Clark 'persona' when he feels he has all the elements of that look in place.
 
His powers don't change when he is posing as Clark, so I doubt that it's anything to do with eyesight.

I would imagine he keeps them on just in case anyone drops by, or someone is taking photos from a distance, etc. It may also be mentally easier for him to switch to his Clark 'persona' when he feels he has all the elements of that look in place.

Why would he need to maintain a Clark persona when he's having a talk with his boys about them getting into trouble or chatting intimately with Lois? And who would be taking photos when they're enclosed within the walls of their living room or dining room?

And surely people can't just drop by unannounced like at Star Labs where anyone can get in. Since Clark has super speed too, he can easily whip his glasses out of his pocket if he doesn't really need them. You don't even need super speed to do that.
 
Tyler plays various roles in his portrayal as Superman that reflect the previous men in tights.

He's got that golly good old fashioned Mild Mannered Reporter style from Kirk Aylan and George Reeves

The warm personality and humble earnest attitude resembling Christopher Reeve

The farmboy Clark from Tom Welling's Smallville taking on the responsibility of imparting knowledge to his boys much like John Schneider Jonathan Kent did in Smallville

He has the powerful rage and intensity as the Kryptonian son very similar to Henry Cavill in Man of Steel.

It's quite remarkable how he's managed to take each incarnation and blend it nicely with his own unique style that makes him a true Superman the best of both worlds
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Tyler plays various roles in his portrayal as Superman that reflect the previous men in tights.

He's got that golly good old fashioned Mild Mannered Reporter style from Kirk Aylan and George Reeves

The warm personality and humble earnest attitude resembling Christopher Reeve

The farmboy Clark from Tom Welling's Smallville taking on the responsibility of imparting knowledge to his boys much like John Schneider Jonathan Kent did in Smallville

He has the powerful rage and intensity as the Kryptonian son very similar to Henry Cavill in Man of Steel.

It's quite remarkable how he's managed to take each incarnation and blend it nicely with his own unique style that makes him a true Superman the best of both worlds
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What about Dean Cain?
 
we haven’t fully seen the journalist Clark Kent who is a competent reporter and goes after hard-hitting stories like Dean’s Clark Kent, so I can’t say for sure yet.

Hopefully we will in future as Clark doesn't seem to be doing much since he quit coaching the football team. He doesn't even appear to be working on the farm at the moment but seems to leap at being Superman like a temp worker who gets a call from his agency when a little bit of work comes in while being unemployed the rest of the time.
 
We got a small tease in the flashback episode of daily planet Clark while working on the the Nazi story with Lois. But it wasn't enough. This why I hope they return to Metropolis in Season 2, Lois and Clark belong at The Daily Planet

 
We got a small tease in the flashback episode of daily planet Clark while working on the the Nazi story with Lois. But it wasn't enough. This why I hope they return to Metropolis in Season 2, Lois and Clark belong at The Daily Planet



I would like to see this too, but I doubt they will drop this "concentrate to the family in a village"-thing they talk about the whole series.
 
I would like to see this too, but I doubt they will drop this "concentrate to the family in a village"-thing they talk about the whole series.

Except the more they remain in Smallville, they continue to draw attention to their family especially since everyone knows wherever Lois Lane is around Superman is never far behind.

Heck Chrisy already knows that Lois Lane is heavily connected with the D.O.D. director because it is her own father General Sam Lane

They need to return to Metropolis at some point just to throw off suspension. Even General Lane sees the writing on the wall based on the next upcoming trailer.
 
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This last episode really solidified why Hoechlin is borderline the definitive onscreen Superman for me. Arguing to keep the kryptonite arsenal, and giving it to Irons for safe keeping, all because there's a slight (1%) chance he could go bad. It is so self-aware and sacrificial, showing how far he's willing to go to protect the people of earth and his own family. Willing to give up his life, his power. That's true heroism. That's Superman.
 
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