ULTIMATE FIGHT - RUNE LORD THOR vs SUPERMAN PRIME

[Laser]

Firstly, secondly, and thirdly, you come across like Borat in the third grade.

Firstly, secondly, thirdly and ultimately, it is better to come across as any sort of Borat than looking like a ridicule grown up version of Macauley Kulkin, like you do. Besides, that is hardly an argument.
Fourthly, Rune-Lord Thor would be the Supreme Ruler of Asgard, perhaps combining the powers of Thor and Odin, and that would be basically as powerful as Galactus, if not more.

 

[Laser]

Also, Mr. laser, I probably know more about the mighty Thor than you'll ever know

I don't think so.

I've read the issues where he had possession of his Rune powers. I saw him obliterate beings that were all but unstoppable in his previous incarnations, and I can still say, that he would get his ass handed to him by galactis, or a Celestial,

Yes, but that is what you would say. Not me. And I see no reason to trust in your alleged «knowledge», let alone considering that you know more than myself...

 

[Laser]

The terrible logic is pretty bad

Because you say so?...

This «argument» is even worst than the others...

but I'm not actually sure that you're acquainted with American comic books? See a lot of US superhero comic books make use of "gods" but don't necessarily treat them as more powerful than other superheroes.

Well, the authors do not need to agree in all the case, do they?
For a start, and besides any particular cases, it is assumed that any God, either from Olympus or Asgard, is stronger than most or at least many of the common superheroes, such as Spiderman.
But, since you are referring the American comic books usual examples... you probably know that there is a story of the Justice League in which the Valkyries (minor Deities of Asgard...) almost defeat the Justice League itself, don't you?

So with, for example, the Marvel universe's Thor - yes, he is a very powerful character. However, there's no guarantee that he's more powerful than any other character, just due to the fact of his being a "God".

Given the use of the word «God» in many cases, such as in when Spiderman got the «powers of a god»(sic), your objection is not terribly strong.

 

[xisaacx]

prime, dude is badass

 

[Anubis]

Because you say so?...

This «argument» is even worst than the others...





Well, the authors do not need to agree in all the case, do they?
For a start, and besides any particular cases, it is assumed that any God, either from Olympus or Asgard, is stronger than most or at least many of the common superheroes, such as Spiderman.
But, since you are referring the American comic books usual examples... you probably know that there is a story of the Justice League in which the Valkyries (minor Deities of Asgard...) almost defeat the Justice League itself, don't you?

I also seen Superman Wrestle a damn angel, what's your point?




Given the use of the word «God» in many cases, such as in when Spiderman got the «powers of a god»(sic), your objection is not terribly strong.

Yeah, you still don't know what the f**k you're talking about.

 

[CBG]

Jeez. . . these two characters have little panel time as they have.

 

[Laser]

I also seen Superman Wrestle a damn angel, what's your point?

«Apparently», you have a hard time following a coherent discussion, don't you, boy?
Take heed as I speak - the point is that, in the American comics, being a God haves a meaning.

Yeah, you still don't know what the f**k you're talking about.

Yes, and you still don't have a clue on what an argument is. We would be even, if the advantage was not mine.

 

[moraldeficiency]

This would be by far the lamest fight on record. Just cause these characters are powerful, that doesn't mean the fight would be good. Here's your fight:

Basically they strike each other and the universe blows up. Later the tri-judge and spectre lament about great powers, the fallacy of men and the meaning of the universe, then they remake everything just like it was before. There, that's it. No cool back and forths, just a couple obvious lectures about having too much power and a big double page spread of the universe exploding.

Question, why do people seem to think that more power equals a better fight? The opposite is always true. Vastly powerful beings don't have the drama necessary to make a fight scene good. God's don't bleed, rarely feel pain, tend to talk nonstop about how great they are, and recover from anything in moments.

Good fights are almost always based on characters fighting someone in their power level with humanistic weaknesses. I mean, what does it matter if you're a expert fighter, when all you do is fire magic blasts or universe altering punches. Look at Iron Fist. His fights are cool because he actually fights in them. He doesn't just unleash ultimate power blast alpha and anniliate everyone in sight, he has to work and sweat and bleed for his wins. I'd take any issue of Iron Fist, or Batman over any "ultimate fight".

 

[lowly marvelite]

Y'know, I've always been a Marvel fan. On top of that, I love the powerhouse heros. Thor, the Surfer, etc...However, I recently read (I'll get the issue later) Wizard magazine and one of the writers for DC was going on about how much more powerful Superman is than Thor. Several months ago a read a post here where someone quoted Stan Lee as saying Thor would have never lost the fight to Superman in the JLA/Avengers crossover if he had any input. DC would probably always say Supes is the guy and fans of Thor vice versa. I believe the truth of the matter lies in DC's Captain Marvel who has the strength of Hercules, who is depicted as himself in the Marvel universe. Anyone remember the DC giant size issue with Supes fighting CM? The literally fought for hours in a knock down dragout with Supes losing his temper and finally knocking Captain Marvel out. Thor has also beaten Hercules on occasion with at least a stalemate, to my knowledge. I don't think Herc has ever prevailed over Thor. I put Supes and Thor even in strength. What gives Thor the advantage and the victory, is his thousands of years of combat experience over Supes and his magic. Bottom line. Thor beats Superman seven out of ten times. Period.

 

[Aristotle]

Captain Marvel has the strength of Hercules...AND a lot of other ****, dude. He's also magic, for one thing, which means Supes was fighting an extremely uphill battle the entire time, due to his weakness to magic.

Furthermore, Hercules in the Marvel U. is not Hercules in the DCU. DC has a Hercules too. And neither of them is Hercules of myth. They're all three different. So you're really not even making much of a point there.

 

[torkibe]

Laser, you truly don't have a grasp on the multitude of powers and characters in the comic book universe. I've mentioned my thoughts on "gods" in other threads. Thor, Odin, Zeus, et. al are all beings that are designated "gods" because because earthlings worshipped them. But essentially, they are just beings from another dimension. There are many, many, many beings in the comics universe that are far more powerful than the "gods".

Now, in the example we have presented here, let's take Thor and Superman at their "normal" power levels. By most accounts, they're fairly evenly matched. Thor gets the edge in combat skill, Supes gets the edge in strength. Thor has magics at his disposal, while Superman has speed. (Contrary to popular belief, Superman doesn't just lay down and die because someone says abracadabra but that's an argument for another thread). My point is, Thor is a so called "god" and Superman is not, yet he can and has defeated Thor. In fact, pre-crisis (Silver Age) Superman could have arguablly handled him easily.

So now let's add ridiculous levels of power to both of them. The fact that Thor started out a "god" is of no consequence in this discussion when either one of them far outclasses ANY of the "gods" at this power level.

 

[Anubis]

Logic doesn't work on that guy, he focuses in like some sort of high speed beam of light to bulls**t. I've given up.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Logic doesn't work on that guy, he focuses in like some sort of high speed beam of light to bulls**t. I've given up.

I guess he chose his name wisely, then.

 

[Anubis]

You know what? I believe he did.

 

[torkibe]

Good fights are almost always based on characters fighting someone in their power level with humanistic weaknesses. I mean, what does it matter if you're a expert fighter, when all you do is fire magic blasts or universe altering punches. Look at Iron Fist. His fights are cool because he actually fights in them. He doesn't just unleash ultimate power blast alpha and anniliate everyone in sight, he has to work and sweat and bleed for his wins. I'd take any issue of Iron Fist, or Batman over any "ultimate fight".

You know, I have to disagree with you. I love outrageously powered characters. That's why I read comics. If I want to see a cool martial arts fight, I'll watch a Bruce Lee movie. When I read comics, I want to see things that a t.v. show or movie would have a really tough time duplicating. Secret Wars, Infinity Gauntlet, Infinite Crisis, etc. I love those things!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Let's see Bruce Lee make his fist "like unto a thing of iron."

 

[moraldeficiency]

You know, I have to disagree with you. I love outrageously powered characters. That's why I read comics. If I want to see a cool martial arts fight, I'll watch a Bruce Lee movie. When I read comics, I want to see things that a t.v. show or movie would have a really tough time duplicating. Secret Wars, Infinity Gauntlet, Infinite Crisis, etc. I love those things!

Wow, we really disagree on this. Secret Wars was pretty cool but IG and IC? Might as well toss in HoM, Onslaught and IW and you'd basically have a listing of the least thought out crap stories with magic button endings. I get what you're saying with all this, but when you get too powerful you're not seeing anything but large explosions. Iron Fist shows stuff you cannot see in real life, but you can relate because they're human enough. You see a guy bleeding and you know he's in pain and injured. You cannot relate to a god in any form, or tell other than in internal monologues where they are in a fight. Thor I like, but his fights have to involve people like Loki for it to have any impact or drama. A Rune Force Thor? Too much for me, I'm just not concerned for the character. If your life isn't in danger how much of a hero can you be? Look at tools like the sentry, he brings people back from the dead in addition to having the power to have all the powers. How can you write that type of character in a way that actually makes you concerned for them or relate them to you in any way? They only end up becoming an easy deus ex machina and a gigantic copeout machine.

 

[lowly marvelite]

Captain Marvel has the strength of Hercules...AND a lot of other ****, dude. He's also magic, for one thing, which means Supes was fighting an extremely uphill battle the entire time, due to his weakness to magic.

Furthermore, Hercules in the Marvel U. is not Hercules in the DCU. DC has a Hercules too. And neither of them is Hercules of myth. They're all three different. So you're really not even making much of a point there.

Oh, I don't know. I think my point is pretty valid. SHAZAM: the powers of Solomon (his wisdom), Hercules (his strength), Atlas (his endurance), Zeus (his power-lightning bolts,resistance to magic as well as enhancing the rest of his powers)Mercury (his speed), Achilles (his invulnerabilty?) Thor, is a tad stronger than Hercules in the Marvel universe. My guess is that the writers of Marvel and DC, were they to corroborate on the character of Hercules, would say that, like many of the ancient gods of old, Hercules simply has many physical guises, hence the differences between DC's depiction of Hercules and Marvel's Hercules. I mean, c'mon, what would happen if Hercules appeared in the JLA/Avengers crossover? How do you think the writers would've hadled that? Sorry, its the same Hercules, whether you like it or not. And what makes you think its not the Hercules of myth? Where are you getting your information from? Hmmm? Now, Thor also has his own natural strength enhanced in two ways. One, with the Odin Force. Two, with the belt of strength. Which doubles his strength. And after further thought, I take back my original statement that Thor beats Supes seven out of ten times. A Thor, not holding back any of his power will be Superman ten of ten times everyday. And twice on Sunday. So I think my point is pretty much in your face. Dude.

 

[lowly marvelite]

Oh, and lest I forget, for all you Superman fans out there. Thor is not (in my opinion) Marvel's most powerful Superhero, its the Surfer. He can increase his strength to any degree he desires just by willing it. He travels at multiple speeds of light. He can unleash the power cosmic with enough concussive force to level a large city. Doesn't need to breath, sleep or eat. Immune to all disease and sickness and impervious to the cold of absolute zero or the heat of the hottest stars. The Silver Surfer is a miniature star. Anyone remember the Superman/Silver Surfer crossover with the two mischievous imps stirring up trouble? Does any one remember Supes and Surf trading blows? Nope. Y'know why? Back alley political concessions. Marvel writers told DC writers "Unh,unh. Supes can't beat the Surf." And DC said, "okay fine, you got us beat this time but we'll never show it!" Least, that's my take. Sorry, DC fans. Thor and Surfer are more powerful than the Supes...

 

[lowly marvelite]

Oh, and lest I forget, for all you Superman fans out there. Thor is not (in my opinion) Marvel's most powerful Superhero, its the Surfer. He can increase his strength to any degree he desires just by willing it. He travels at multiple speeds of light. He can unleash the power cosmic with enough concussive force to level a large city. Doesn't need to breath, sleep or eat. Immune to all disease and sickness and impervious to the cold of absolute zero or the heat of the hottest stars. The Silver Surfer is a miniature star. Anyone remember the Superman/Silver Surfer crossover with the two mischievous imps stirring up trouble? Does any one remember Supes and Surf trading blows? Nope. Y'know why? Back alley political concessions. Marvel writers told DC writers "Unh,unh. Supes can't beat the Surf." And DC said, "okay fine, you got us beat this time but we'll never show it!" Least, that's my take. Sorry, DC fans. Thor and Surfer are more powerful than the Supes...

 

[Anubis]

ya huh. What do brains taste like?

 

[torkibe]

Now, Thor also has his own natural strength enhanced in two ways. One, with the Odin Force. Two, with the belt of strength. Which doubles his strength. And after further thought, I take back my original statement that Thor beats Supes seven out of ten times. A Thor, not holding back any of his power will be Superman ten of ten times everyday. And twice on Sunday. So I think my point is pretty much in your face. Dude.

Obviously, Thor doesn't beat Supes 10 out of 10, since in the only recognized legitimate crossover, Superman won. Based on the history of both characters, Superman has shown feats that outclass Thor (When he's not King Thor or Rune Thor obviously). Thor and John Byrne's version of Superman are pretty close. Pre-crisis Supes or more recently All-Star Superman would beat Thor more times than not.

 

[torkibe]

Oh, and lest I forget, for all you Superman fans out there. Thor is not (in my opinion) Marvel's most powerful Superhero, its the Surfer. He can increase his strength to any degree he desires just by willing it. He travels at multiple speeds of light. He can unleash the power cosmic with enough concussive force to level a large city. Doesn't need to breath, sleep or eat. Immune to all disease and sickness and impervious to the cold of absolute zero or the heat of the hottest stars. The Silver Surfer is a miniature star. Anyone remember the Superman/Silver Surfer crossover with the two mischievous imps stirring up trouble? Does any one remember Supes and Surf trading blows? Nope. Y'know why? Back alley political concessions. Marvel writers told DC writers "Unh,unh. Supes can't beat the Surf." And DC said, "okay fine, you got us beat this time but we'll never show it!" Least, that's my take. Sorry, DC fans. Thor and Surfer are more powerful than the Supes...

Now here, I agree with you (except for your back alley conspiracy theory). Silver Surfer is definitley more powerful than Thor and Superman. Surfer is one of the most underrated and underused people in comics. I love the SS.

 

[lowly marvelite]

Now here, I agree with you (except for your back alley conspiracy theory). Silver Surfer is definitley more powerful than Thor and Superman. Surfer is one of the most underrated and underused people in comics. I love the SS.

What's the deal with that anyways? Why doesn't Marvel have SS in his own series? Surely, there are powerful enough beings to give Norrin a good fight in a once a month series outside the Milky way galaxy(not many on earth...)?

 

[torkibe]

What's the deal with that anyways? Why doesn't Marvel have SS in his own series? Surely, there are powerful enough beings to give Norrin a good fight in a once a month series outside the Milky way galaxy(not many on earth...)?

Well, I guess it's cuz they tried in the 60's, late 80's and again in the 2003 and it just didn't really take off. Some people just don't really get into the whole "cosmic" thing. It's a shame really, because there are some really awesome characters in the cosmic scheme of things.