Batman Begins Upon repeated viewings, this is the best movie I've EVER seen.

[The Kid]

Yeah dude, you're really obsessed with this film like a psycho. It's been 2 years for the love of jesus... why are you still on this movie's rump as if it's still fresh? I'm not even surgar coating this, and it wasn't even that good. I can understand some member's obsession with jessica alba around here because she's a goddess, but none of those horny guys are building churches for her like you are for batman begins. If you need help, get it man. Don't just deny and deny and deny your problems. I'm serious.

 

[Cryogenic]

Yeah dude, you're really obsessed with this film like a psycho. It's been 2 years for the love of jesus... why are you still on this movie's rump as if it's still fresh? I'm not even surgar coating this, and it wasn't even that good. I can understand some member's obsession with jessica alba around here because she's a goddess, but none of those horny guys are building churches for her like you are for batman begins. If you need help, get it man. Don't just deny and deny and deny your problems. I'm serious.

Well, this is a forum called ............. wait for it .............. "Batman Begins". He's entitled to demonstrate and express his love for it, just as others are entitled to demonstrate and express their disdain for it. It cuts both ways, see. I don't like someone rubbishing my POV, just as I don't like to see other people's POV's rubbished. Life would be boring without differences of opinion, so as passionate as I sometimes get, I try to respect that basic fact and opinions that run counter to mine. Short of racism, sexism, or any of the other "isms", I don't like people being mocked / insulted for no good reason. It's not constructive and it's not nice.

Then again, you seem like a pretty mad guy (love the avatar), so maybe you're just being satirical and I should be giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah dude, you're really obsessed with this film like a psycho. It's been 2 years for the love of jesus... why are you still on this movie's rump as if it's still fresh? I'm not even surgar coating this, and it wasn't even that good. I can understand some member's obsession with jessica alba around here because she's a goddess, but none of those horny guys are building churches for her like you are for batman begins. If you need help, get it man. Don't just deny and deny and deny your problems. I'm serious.

lol......is this like an intervention thing? Cause if it is...it ain't working.

Building churches for Batman Begins? The permits haven't cleared yet.....how'd you find out I was planning one?

Then again, you seem like a pretty mad guy (love the avatar), so maybe you're just being satirical and I should be giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

With weyseed.....I just never know. I can never tell if he's ****ing around.

 

[The Kid]

Well, this is a forum called ............. wait for it .............. "Batman Begins". He's entitled to demonstrate and express his love for it, just as others are entitled to demonstrate and express their disdain for it. It cuts both ways, see. I don't like someone rubbishing my POV, just as I don't like to see other people's POV's rubbished. Life would be boring without differences of opinion, so as passionate as I sometimes get, I try to respect that basic fact and opinions that run counter to mine. Short of racism, sexism, or any of the other "isms", I don't like people being mocked / insulted for no good reason. It's not constructive and it's not nice.

Then again, you seem like a pretty mad guy (love the avatar), so maybe you're just being satirical and I should be giving you the benefit of the doubt here.

Yeah thanks for the speech though I think it might be a little misguided...

Chrisbalebatman and I go waaaaaay back since BB's release. And if he says he has a disorder, I truly think he should seek help. Being a fan of a movie's cool, but this might be going overboard, don't you think? Saying it's the best movie ever etc...

 

[The Kid]

lol......is this like an intervention thing? Cause if it is...it ain't working.

Building churches for Batman Begins? The permits haven't cleared yet.....how'd you find out I was planning one?

I actually thought it was already built in your backyard or wherever. We should make a thread about the ten commandments of Batman Begins for the hell of it...

With weyseed.....I just never know. I can never tell if he's ****ing around.

I'm sometimes drunk thats all.

 

[Cryogenic]

Yeah thanks for the speech though I think it might be a little misguided...

Uh oh! He's angry!

General Zod versus Batman?

I'm gonna be blasthemous and go with Zod. ZODDDDD!!!!! t:

 

[The Kid]

You son of a bich. Excellent choice.

Zod would make batman and ra's kneel, then he'd extend his hand of course for them to kiss it like the inferior warriors they are.

"Batman, is that what you call yourself? But you are merely a man in rubber armor. You can't even turn your head. Die."

 

[Robin91939]

I think that the majority of viewers loved Batman Begins. This guy is well within his right to feel the same, and to demonstrate that he does. Just because the film is two years old he can't love it? Isn't the test of time the greatest of all, wouldn't it show just how good the movie is for him to still love it after two years and many viewings?

I have practice early tomorrow morning, so my room mate and I didn't go out tonight. He's a baseball player too, and shares a lot of the interests I have. However, comic books/comic book movies are not one of them. He actually hates them. I've been hounding him to watch Batman Begins claiming it was the best comic book movie and just a great film in general. I told him it was unlike any Batman movie he'd ever seen. I promised that by the first 5 minutes he would agree that it's just beautiful film making. He did.

And this isn't a typical popcorn movie lover. His favorite movies include, The Shawshank Redemption, The Patriot, and The Departed. He was captivated by Batman Begins and didn't take his eyes off the screen. When it finished, he told me that I was completely right. Now, my room mate isn't one to try and save my feelings, if he thought it stunk, he'd tell me.

A lot of people feel this way. They dig this movie. Get over it. We don't get mad at the, like, 2% of the population (yourself included) that does not like this picture.

You have a Superman II avatar, and hail the Burton movies as if they were the Gospel according to weird....Those are all over ten years old...why act like they're fresh? You contradict yourself in every way.

Let the people of the BATMAN BEGINS forum enjoy Batman Begins.

-R

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Chrisbalebatman and I go waaaaaay back since BB's release. And if he says he has a disorder, I truly think he should seek help. Being a fan of a movie's cool, but this might be going overboard, don't you think? Saying it's the best movie ever etc...

lol...of course, b/c once I begin to claim it's the greatest film ever....then I must be mad, huh?

Yeah....we go waaaayyyy back, man. I remember way back when, when you used to like the "kid". Now, you treat him like the bastard child he is.

I'm sometimes drunk thats all.

You too? I do alll the time as well. Drunk posting is pretty wicked.

Uh oh! He's angry!

General Zod versus Batman?

I'm gonna be blasthemous and go with Zod. ZODDDDD!!!!! t:

Pffttt....I'll take Bat-God any day of the week. Batman would probably discover some form of Phantom Zone Kryptonite that will turn Zod semi-reatard and easier to defeat.

Or something.

Quick, someone get Grant Morrison to write this stuff.

"Batman, is that what you call yourself? But you are merely a man in rubber armor. You can't even turn your head. Die."

Bastard! He can sooooooooo turn his head. Him not being able to is a completely fabricated, unfounded and mythical rumor.

I think that the majority of viewers loved Batman Begins. This guy is well within his right to feel the same, and to demonstrate that he does. Just because the film is two years old he can't love it? Isn't the test of time the greatest of all, wouldn't it show just how good the movie is for him to still love it after two years and many viewings?

I have practice early tomorrow morning, so my room mate and I didn't go out tonight. He's a baseball player too, and shares a lot of the interests I have. However, comic books/comic book movies are not one of them. He actually hates them. I've been hounding him to watch Batman Begins claiming it was the best comic book movie and just a great film in general. I told him it was unlike any Batman movie he'd ever seen. I promised that by the first 5 minutes he would agree that it's just beautiful film making. He did.

And this isn't a typical popcorn movie lover. His favorite movies include, The Shawshank Redemption, The Patriot, and The Departed. He was captivated by Batman Begins and didn't take his eyes off the screen. When it finished, he told me that I was completely right. Now, my room mate isn't one to try and save my feelings, if he thought it stunk, he'd tell me.

A lot of people feel this way. They dig this movie. Get over it. We don't get mad at the, like, 2% of the population (yourself included) that does not like this picture.

You have a Superman II avatar, and hail the Burton movies as if they were the Gospel according to weird....Those are all over ten years old...why act like their fresh? You contract yourself in everyway.

Let the people of the BATMAN BEGINS forum enjoy Batman Begins.

Amen brother.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I actually thought it was already built in your backyard or wherever. We should make a thread about the ten commandments of Batman Begins for the hell of it...

I fogot you like to do that. lol.

Yeah, I'm for it. We should get a cabnet of people too. I'm already voting for CConn and zer00 to be in.

First commandment......Thou shall hail Christopher Nolan as a demi-god. David Goyer will receive an honorable mention......but people will probably still hate him, so we'll just politic that. Hereto. Or something.

My Ye old english is rather rusty.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Batman Begins is definitely a cinematic masterpiece of nice proportions.

I honestly think it should have gotten alot more Golden Globes and Academy nominations, but that only shows how ignorant the AMPAS actually is.

 

[Damiean Dark]

I personally think batman begins is completely overated as a movie its missing something it is well acted it looks stylish and cool but it is so BORING! i still think Nolan was wrong too direct it he has his roots to intrenched in indie movies and this has translated to BB it isnt the grand scale film B89/BR was,his editing in action scenes are so terrible its not even funny (watch the batmobile chase sequence the camera literally cuts every 4 seconds or so, go on count it) the realistic aspect is totally wrong for a film based on a action comic book character (unlike say history of viloence which is a comic book based on a real life situated character). As i said its well acted but after American psycho and the machinist Bales performance in BB is a joke thats not funny its too predictable and not deep enough compared to the aformentioned movies where he shows his talents as a great actor. It looks stylish in its way but the real life Gotham sucks @** and the narrows that looks like a set from a 1970s kun fu movie doesnt fit at all. the comic book and burtons films seemed more like a living breathing city with sites like Axess Chemical plant, gotham cathedral, and wayne manor having a much more natural look compared to the cardboard set up of BB. I know many of you love BB and thats fine it IS an okay movie but personally i was severly dissapointed the film doesnt hold up on repeated viewings. B89/BR are nearly pushing the 20 year mark but can still draw me in if they happen to come on tv the mark of a great film unlike BB.

 

[Two-Face]

Batman Begins is definitely a cinematic masterpiece of nice proportions.

I honestly think it should have gotten alot more Golden Globes and Academy nominations, but that only shows how ignorant the AMPAS actually is.

Yes it is but it don't need GG or Oscar to be one of the best comic book movie.

 

[The Kid]

I think that the majority of viewers loved Batman Begins. This guy is well within his right to feel the same, and to demonstrate that he does. Just because the film is two years old he can't love it? Isn't the test of time the greatest of all, wouldn't it show just how good the movie is for him to still love it after two years and many viewings?

I have practice early tomorrow morning, so my room mate and I didn't go out tonight. He's a baseball player too, and shares a lot of the interests I have. However, comic books/comic book movies are not one of them. He actually hates them. I've been hounding him to watch Batman Begins claiming it was the best comic book movie and just a great film in general. I told him it was unlike any Batman movie he'd ever seen. I promised that by the first 5 minutes he would agree that it's just beautiful film making. He did.

And this isn't a typical popcorn movie lover. His favorite movies include, The Shawshank Redemption, The Patriot, and The Departed. He was captivated by Batman Begins and didn't take his eyes off the screen. When it finished, he told me that I was completely right. Now, my room mate isn't one to try and save my feelings, if he thought it stunk, he'd tell me.

A lot of people feel this way. They dig this movie. Get over it. We don't get mad at the, like, 2% of the population (yourself included) that does not like this picture.

You have a Superman II avatar, and hail the Burton movies as if they were the Gospel according to weird....Those are all over ten years old...why act like they're fresh? You contradict yourself in every way.

Let the people of the BATMAN BEGINS forum enjoy Batman Begins.
-R

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, Robin long time no see, but hail the burton movies as if they were gospel? I haven't posted in this or any batman forum in several months, actually...

WTF, did no time pass since I was gone from the hype?

 

[Robin91939]

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, Robin long time no see, but hail the burton movies as if they were gospel? I haven't posted in this or any batman forum in several months, actually...

WTF, did no time pass since I was gone from the hype?

Lol, yeah I always remembered you were a proud supporter of the Burton films...in the many Misc Batfilms arguments about Batman Returns etc.

Where have you been though? I haven't seen you around for a while.

-R

 

[The Kid]

I'm doing Personal stuff... so I've not been granted time to get into fanboy arguments over bat-nipples and whatever else we like to discuss ad nauseum. I probably shouldn't be here, but that damn ghost rider brought me back. I just can't stay away from the hype!!!!

i understand with the sequel on the way, begins is still on batfan's minds. I'm hyped for it more than anyone, I'll guarantee you. I've waited a long time to see the joker born again on screen. Don't screw this up, ledger. I do think however, that we're becoming insane as fanboys. Look at this topic. Have we lost all sense of objective reasoing? I don't know...

I'm all discussed-out of batman begins, AND burton's batman which I haven't discussed in a very very very long time, though yes as you do recall I enjoyed posting about what I loved in them. But I personally can't do that for the rest of my life... Done. Tired. Finished. Ready for some new meat... TDK, please be the best movie evah!!!!!111

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think no matter how good a comic book film is, if it's got a superhero in it....it is automatically dismissed b/c it's seen as a genre film.

Maybe someday, that'll change. Westerns were never taken seriously, or seen as actual films back in the day either. Who knows if things will change for Superheroes a decade or so from now.

With as many superhero films, and as much money they make.....eventually the award shows will have to create a BEST GRAPHIC NOVEL ADAPTATION category or something.

 

[Retro]

The scene where Batman is standing on top of the building, motionless like a gargoyle overlooking the city as the camera pans around him and suddenly stops... that MOVES me.

Oh God, that's my favorite scene!
I cry everytime i see it, and re-wind it to see it again.
It's the music, the lighting, everything!
It's the only moment in any Bat-Film that I've looked at and said: "That IS Batman!"
Moving, truly moving!

 

[Dan33977]

I'm not even going to waste time typing a reply to TempleFugit's inane, outrageous posts. He isn't what he's said he is and is clearly uneducated and inexperienced.

When we first see Liam Neeson in the jail cell, and the music builds as he explains to Bale: "But, if you make yourself MORE than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if THEY can't stop you... you become something else entirely." ---- Pay attention to this scene in particular... the way the chords in the music progress and go higher as they cut to Liam's face as he says "And if THEY can't stop you".... and then when they cut back to his face as he says "A legend, Mr. Wayne"... watch how the frame is closer to his face than before. That's GOOD directing, dammit!!

Wow! You're an idiot! Please stop replying to this thread and embarrassing yourself.

And this isn't a typical popcorn movie lover. His favorite movies include, The Shawshank Redemption, The Patriot, and The Departed.

A lot of people like these films; and they're mainstream, pop-culture, and easy to understand.

 

[gregday]

The scene with Falcone in the car, "What the HELL are you?!" followed by the famous line, made famous by the 89 movie, gives me chills. Unlike the smug, smartass tone that Keaton delivered the line in, in BB it's rough and followed by a nasty headbutt. And it's the first time we hear the voice. There is almost an implied "..., mother****er." after Bale says it.

Also, the entire Flass interrogation scene. Growling, snarling, in the rain, "SWEAR TO ME!" really redefined Batman to me. You can definitely see the influence from Miller's DKR.

I love BB because it is an adult movie, because you don't even see Batman until halfway through. I love origin stories anyway, but the slow buildup that explains where the suit, the gadgets, the car, the cave, all come from... it's like someone else said, you could watch it having no idea it was a Batman movie. And when it finally all comes together you really believe that this person could exist.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It's probably not the best movie I've ever seen, but it's possibly my favorite movie ever. There is a huge difference between those two categories. Some people have a tough time distinguishing between that, but if you've ever used MySpace or Facebook then you know what I'm talking about. Everyone has their personal favorite movies and many times, those favorites are NOT brilliant films necessarily. One of my other favorites (well two of them actually) would be the Godfather I and II. I could watch those over and over and still love them. Other favorites of mine? Caddyshack, well, because I'm an avid golfer. Animal House, well because I enjoy raucous comedies like it and I'm in college. Dazed and Confused, well because I'm from Texas and can relate to the general plot and because it gives a great sense of growing up in the 1970s with better cars and far better music (wish I coulda grown up in the 70s!).

We all have our favorites and we definitely all have biases for or against films for whatever reason. I happen to love Batman Begins, perhaps because I didn't expect much from it after how bad Batman and Robin was. But is it a masterpiece in filmmaking? No. It's a good/very good film overall, but not a masterpiece. Is it a superhero masterpiece? DEFINITELY! I personally feel that Spider-Man 2 is the most overrated superhero film. Watching it more than once for me made it cringeworthy because the dialogue/monologues involving Peter, MJ, and Aunt May are so cheesy. I watched it the first time in a regular theater and loved it, but then the second time through I watched it on IMAX. When everything is blown up like that, it's hard not to notice terrible dialogue when you hear it. And ever since then, I have not been able to watch that film without skipping through the sappy parts when I watch the DVD.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I personally think batman begins is completely overated as a movie its missing something it is well acted it looks stylish and cool but it is so BORING! i still think Nolan was wrong too direct it he has his roots to intrenched in indie movies and this has translated to BB it isnt the grand scale film B89/BR was,his editing in action scenes are so terrible its not even funny (watch the batmobile chase sequence the camera literally cuts every 4 seconds or so, go on count it) the realistic aspect is totally wrong for a film based on a action comic book character (unlike say history of viloence which is a comic book based on a real life situated character). As i said its well acted but after American psycho and the machinist Bales performance in BB is a joke thats not funny its too predictable and not deep enough compared to the aformentioned movies where he shows his talents as a great actor. It looks stylish in its way but the real life Gotham sucks @** and the narrows that looks like a set from a 1970s kun fu movie doesnt fit at all. the comic book and burtons films seemed more like a living breathing city with sites like Axess Chemical plant, gotham cathedral, and wayne manor having a much more natural look compared to the cardboard set up of BB. I know many of you love BB and thats fine it IS an okay movie but personally i was severly dissapointed the film doesnt hold up on repeated viewings. B89/BR are nearly pushing the 20 year mark but can still draw me in if they happen to come on tv the mark of a great film unlike BB.

Damiean, you do realize that you are not the only person in the world don't you? My sister, a non-Batman fan, loves Begins and likes Batman '89 but HATES Batman Returns. I only have basic cable in my dorm but she has HBO in her apartment and says that she watches Batman Begins pretty much every time she sees it on HBO. That's just one example of someone who finds plenty of repeat value in Batman Begins (moreso than Batman or BR). Obviously, it would not have an 8.3 on IMDB (it is overrated, but still it would not have this rating) if it doesn't have plenty of repeat value for a majority of viewers. Its rating would have tanked miserably by now if it didn't have repeat value. It's all subjective. But please don't think that because it doesn't have repeat value for you that YOUR opinion somehow makes it a fact that it doesn't have repeat value for the other 6 billion people on this planet. Besides, repeat value isn't necessarily a good determinant of a great film. Many people I know consider the Godfather I and II great movies but not worth watching over and over. I happen to disagree with that sentiment and love watching the first two Godfather films, but the point is repeatability does not always equal great. And regardless, like I said, many find plenty of repeat value in Batman Begins.

 

[Spidey220987]

As I said in another thread,I had to watch it 3 times on DVD to fully appreciate it,and I gave it 7/10 as my final verdict (originally started with 4/10).
What I absolutely hated the most about this film was the way they tried too hard with the quotes; if you know what I mean...maybe you don't lol.
E.g. Liam Neeson over-acted as Ducard,he seemed to try hard with his quotes; Bale when he says something along the lines of "I want to give fear to those who prey on the fearful" (I can't remember the beginning of that quote), and Rachel's "It's not who you are underneath,it's what you do that defines you" or something along them lines.
No bias (Spidey in my name lol) but I preferred both Spider-Man movies to Batman Begins. Not only is my love for Spider-Man the utmost, but just going on the actual films themselves,I preferred the Spidey flicks. They had evrything for me in terms of what a comic book film should have - origin of characters (well portrayed), action, and they seem more character focused than hero focused (although there is a slight balance). I'm not saying the Spider-Man films are the best films I've ever seen either,but in my personal opinion,I'd rank them higher than Begins

 

[redfirebird2008]

As I said in another thread,I had to watch it 3 times on DVD to fully appreciate it,and I gave it 7/10 as my final verdict (originally started with 4/10).
What I absolutely hated the most about this film was the way they tried too hard with the quotes; if you know what I mean...maybe you don't lol.
E.g. Liam Neeson over-acted as Ducard,he seemed to try hard with his quotes; Bale when he says something along the lines of "I want to give fear to those who prey on the fearful" (I can't remember the beginning of that quote), and Rachel's "It's not who you are underneath,it's what you do that defines you" or something along them lines.
No bias (Spidey in my name lol) but I preferred both Spider-Man movies to Batman Begins. Not only is my love for Spider-Man the utmost, but just going on the actual films themselves,I preferred the Spidey flicks. They had evrything for me in terms of what a comic book film should have - origin of characters (well portrayed), action, and they seem more character focused than hero focused (although there is a slight balance). I'm not saying the Spider-Man films are the best films I've ever seen either,but in my personal opinion,I'd rank them higher than Begins

As bad as some of the one-liners in BB are, the dialogue in SM1 and SM2 is even worse. Specifically with SM2, the monologues from Aunt May are terrible, both in how they are written and performed. The chemistry between Maguire and Dunst is terrible and their acting isn't very good. The dialogue for their conversations sucks as well. SM2 is a better movie than SM1, but I cannot watch either without skipping some of the cheesy dialogue. Thank goodness for DVDs with chapter skipping! We all have our opinions and biases, but I do enjoy the SM films (not as much as B89, BR, or BB but I still like them a lot). It's just there's a few scenes here and there that I can't stand to watch, mainly because of seeing them blown up on an IMAX screen. Watching Aunt May struggle to say, "I believe there's a hero in all of us" was pathetic, especially on such a huge screen. Her acting was bad and to make things worse, that is one of the lamest lines ever written. The train scene with SM passed around by the passengers was unbelievably cheesy. I LOLed in the theater when I saw it and can't watch it on the DVD.

I'm looking forward to SM3 and hoping it manages to up the standard for BB's sequel. Judging by the trailer, however, I might be in for disappointment based on the lame acting and dialogue between Aunt May, Peter, and MJ. I know it's in the comics, but it's just not brought to the big screen very well. The action and other elements of the story are all portrayed pretty well. One thing I would like to see is more wise-cracking from Peter/Spidey, like the bank scene with Doc Ock in SM2 where he says, "Here's your change!" and sends a bunch of moneybags back at Doc Ock. It seems like the films have lacked that aspect of Spidey so far. Hopefully the 3rd one shows more of it. I loved the mid-1990s cartoon that constantly portrayed this side of his personality. One thing I can't wait for is Venom. That should be AWESOME on the big screen!

 

[El Payaso]

As bad as some of the one-liners in BB are, the dialogue in SM1 and SM2 is even worse.

True. For me the difference is that Spider-man never pretends to be as serious as BB. Which of course doesn't justify such terrible lines. But what bothered me the most about one liners in BB are that they're absolutely unnecessary. Cut them off and the movie is automatically much better.

Specifically with SM2, the monologues from Aunt May are terrible, both in how they are written and performed.

The 'heroes' monolgue from Aunt May was total crap, I know. When she started with it I couldnt believe that, being in 2004, some director still needed to verbalize such a repeated thing once again in such a well-worn way.

The balance for me comes wioth the action. While Spiderman 2 action was superb, Batman Begins action was super-poor.