Upon second viewing...

[La_She-Beast]

Oh, wait, sorry... I confused your name with AznBABYBANDIT You both liked Hulk and... forget it, I'm such a smartass.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^^^Ha ha no problem

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yes but Nell you have to look at WHY we hyped it up. It was because of the writers telling us all kinds of lies on the X-Verse. "You will be proud of Cyclops' role, Cyclops uses his powers more than once Collosus has much more screen time, Angel has a big role, this is the X-Men version of Return Of The King, it will be epic, the script has changed a lot since the script review, etc, etc." All of these were bull**** lies that got us hyped up and i remember all of those answer clearly, there are probably more bull**** lies that i couldnt remember also.

So who are we to blame for getting hyped? Not ourselves. And i for one went into X3 with low expectations, and came out not only severly dissapointed but amazingly angry also. I watched it again the other night and put all of my thoughts about Fox, etc out of my mind. But what i found was that its just a poorly constructed movie that didnt live up to even half the potential it had.

I understand that, but if we weren't here following the film, we wouldn't know any of that. We wouldn't hear about how Colossus had a bigger role, or it was the X-Men version of Return of the King, or what have you.

We would have seen a trailer, some TV spots, and gone in with absolutley no knowledge. We wouldn't be expecting an X-Men version of Return of the King because online they told us that's what it'd be.

And that's what I'm saying. Following this movie, and knowing so much about it, over hyped it up so much that we allowed ourselves to get into "what should be" mode, instead of thinking about what was.

I'm not saying that makes a crappy movie good or anything like that. I happen to highly enjoy the movie. I didn't my first time. A lot of people liked it better upon second viewing. And I think it's because of that hype factor, that we were here, and knew all the behind the scenes crap, and got fed all of that excess hype, where as if we were normal people just seeing what we see in commercials, we would have liked it just as uch the 1st time around.

If you don't like the movie, then whether you followed it or not isn't going to change that. But for the people who liked it the 2nd time, but not the 1st, I believe that is why.

 

[SuperT]

I don't know why, but it seemed longer to me when I sat down and watched the DVD, then when I sat at the theatre and watched it.

 

[chaseter]

I don't know why, but it seemed longer to me when I sat down and watched the DVD, then when I sat at the theatre and watched it.

Me too...it seemed a lot longer.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

The movie works better for me on second viewing, but it's still massively flawed, any you can't deny that. Of course, I enjoyed it the first time too, just not for the reasons I'd hoped to enjoy it.

 

[Halcohol]

On its own, viewed as a single piece of work, it's a decent movie. Sure it has a couple of throwaway characters and a whole whack of other problems, but on its own it's not bad.

When viewed as the end of this trilogy, however...

 

[BMM]

I find myself actually getting bored with the action sequences . . . with the exception of the Kitty and Juggernaut chase, I don't care to watch the final battle at all.

 

[ultimatefan]

So tonight I got the dvd (with 21 deleted scenes woo hoo), this is the second time I saw the movie and i have to say it is MUCH better on second viewing! Does anyone agree?

I still hate that they cured Rogue and that the final Pheonix destruction scene wasn't longer but there is so much I missed the first time around, it didn't feel so rushed this time.

Does anyone else like this movie much more after a second viewing? Still not as good as X2, but better then X1, IMO.

It grew on me too. The purists will always bitsch and moan - like X1 and 2 didn´t take any big liberties with the comics, right... - and no, it´s really not as good as the second one, but it´s enjoyable in its own right. If the filmmakers had been given more time to flesh out the script more, I truly think they would have made an excellent X-film.

 

[Warhammer]

The more I watch it, the more I hate it, and love it. (Eye candy, Wolvie getting the smackdown by Juggs, etc.)

 

[taintedFB]

It does grow on you and I did like it more, the more I saw it. I grew to appreciate ALL of Cyclops' moments...

But I STILL wish it were better. I see it as good, but always imagine how much better it would have been with better dialogue and Scott surviving...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

But I STILL wish it were better. I see it as good, but always imagine how much better it would have been with better dialogue and Scott surviving...

With Scott surviving (and having it be him marching up to Jean, and not Wolverine, and him giving the "We stand together. X-Men. All of us" speech and not Wolverine), this is the single greatest movie of all time.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I understand that, but if we weren't here following the film, we wouldn't know any of that. We wouldn't hear about how Colossus had a bigger role, or it was the X-Men version of Return of the King, or what have you.

We would have seen a trailer, some TV spots, and gone in with absolutley no knowledge. We wouldn't be expecting an X-Men version of Return of the King because online they told us that's what it'd be.

And that's what I'm saying. Following this movie, and knowing so much about it, over hyped it up so much that we allowed ourselves to get into "what should be" mode, instead of thinking about what was.

I'm not saying that makes a crappy movie good or anything like that. I happen to highly enjoy the movie. I didn't my first time. A lot of people liked it better upon second viewing. And I think it's because of that hype factor, that we were here, and knew all the behind the scenes crap, and got fed all of that excess hype, where as if we were normal people just seeing what we see in commercials, we would have liked it just as uch the 1st time around.

If you don't like the movie, then whether you followed it or not isn't going to change that. But for the people who liked it the 2nd time, but not the 1st, I believe that is why.

Fair enough, but i believe there was a lot of hype even for casual movie goers after the trailers and such. I remember loads of people i know saying they couldnt wait for X3 and then watching it and at the very least disliking it.

Anyway i watched it for a 3rd time last night and i just think it is a poor movie on the whole, never mind a poor adaptation. The movie just doesnt breath in the slightest, and the script and dialogue are just amateurish IMO. I mean, after watching X2 how hard was to make an amazing sequel? I dont think it would have been that hard at all, but Fox were not bothered about the quality of the movie, just the release date, and it shows.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Fair enough, but i believe there was a lot of hype even for casual movie goers after the trailers and such. I remember loads of people i know saying they couldnt wait for X3 and then watching it and at the very least disliking it.

Anyway i watched it for a 3rd time last night and i just think it is a poor movie on the whole, never mind a poor adaptation. The movie just doesnt breath in the slightest, and the script and dialogue are just amateurish IMO. I mean, after watching X2 how hard was to make an amazing sequel? I dont think it would have been that hard at all, but Fox were not bothered about the quality of the movie, just the release date, and it shows.

Oh, there was definatley outside hype about it too.

But put that hype on the scale with OUR hype here, knowing every last detail about the movie before we saw it. There's definatley a difference there.

We knew about the Danger Room from the beginning. So instead of being happy we got the Danger Room, we started *****ing about how it was handled.

It's the whole "give someone a quarter, and the ***** because you didn't give them a dollar" syndrome.

We knew the Danger Room was coming. We expected it. So by this time, we started asking for more. The Danger Room itself wasn't enough, we wanted more now.

People who generally disliked the film are just going to dislike the film. It's that simple. People who were hyped for the film loved it. People who were hyped for the film hated it. But the people who like it, after disliking it previously, disliked it initially because they were overexposed to the movie, and expecting too much.

People who don't like the movie period, just don't like the movie. To them, it wasn't well made in whatever fashion. And no amount of hype, or lack thereof is going to change that.

 

[xstormfan]

so angel didn't stay with the xmen? just noticed that he was flying around in san fran and not with the x men

 

[JeetKuneDo]

There may be something to this "too much information" theory.

Because I avoided any prior information on what was in the movie like the plague before seeing it and loved it the first time.

Anyone bothered by Scott dying and Rogue losing her powers can rest easy. We've all seen enough movies and read enough comics to know that neither happened.

We didn't see Scott die. In movies...and comics...that means he didn't die. Period. (You would think we would learn this lesson...especially after actually seeing Prof X die...and he came back.)

The "cure" is obviously not permanent. That means Magneto, Rogue, and Mystique are all coming back if it is ever necessary.

I doubt there will be an X4. (Casting problems...no way they get everyone back.) But any character they want can come back with all their powers.

 

[X-Maniac]

Rebecca Romijn probably won't want to come back, she made it clear she was tiring of the make-up procedure. (Kelsey was tiring of it before the end of this one movie!). I don't mind it being the end of Mystique, we've seen enough of her now.

Patrick Stewart said he was returning to England to concentrate on stage work again. So his return seems doubtful. And what happens if Xavier just turns up again, able to walk - does he just order Storm out of the headmaster's chair?

I'd like all of the characters back, every single one. But realistically it's not going to happen.

Before they create an X4 they'd need to work out the contracts first to see who is available.

 

[La_She-Beast]

We knew about the Danger Room from the beginning. So instead of being happy we got the Danger Room, we started *****ing about how it was handled.

Obviously it wasn't just the DR. They were other scenes/things that were handled... actually, they were not handled as they should.
For example let's take Nightcrawler's intro. Yes, we got Nightcrawler, and even better, a scene handled SUPERBLY. You can notice the camera has been handled with creativity, (e.g. the keyhole part) the scene is composed in a legible way and at the same time it makes hold you to your seat, and, not to about the music. Now that was a scene. Why didn't they do the same with X3?
And frankly, I didn't know anything about the movie, only that Beast & new characters were coming out. Even so... well, you know how I feel about the movie.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I think XIII is as good as it could have been under the circumstances. It's a 3 out of 5 movie, whereas the previous two were 5 out of 5 movies.

The main problem is simply that Wolverine and Storm, the characters who have the least to do, have the most screen time. If anything it should be Wolverine and Rogue, as they are (or atleast began as) the two main characters of the saga. Interesting how Halle Berry and Anna Paquin's screentime is completely reversed between X1 and XIII. Let's face it, the movie Rogue is far more interesting than the movie Storm.

So much potential with Rogue, completely wasted in XIII.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Obviously it wasn't just the DR. They were other scenes/things that were handled... actually, they were not handled as they should.
For example let's take Nightcrawler's intro. Yes, we got Nightcrawler, and even better, a scene handled SUPERBLY. You can notice the camera has been handled with creativity, (e.g. the keyhole part) the scene is composed in a legible way and at the same time it makes hold you to your seat, and, not to about the music. Now that was a scene. Why didn't they do the same with X3?
And frankly, I didn't know anything about the movie, only that Beast & new characters were coming out. Even so... well, you know how I feel about the movie.

Okay, and I'm saying that if you don't like the movie, then the hype isn't going to matter. You disliked the movie.

All I'm saying is for people who didn't like it at first, and later did, I believe that's a major factor as to why. As it's one major factor as to why I didn't like the movie the first time around.

 

[GoldGoblin]

They should of made the final battle with the X-Men and the random mutants longer.They should of gave us a solid two minutes for each X-Men member of screen time of fighting those mutants.And the X-Men song from the cartoon playing would of been a nice touch.

Any chance of re-shoots to add things for the trilogy boxset?

 

[Celestio]

I think XIII is as good as it could have been under the circumstances. It's a 3 out of 5 movie, whereas the previous two were 5 out of 5 movies.

The main problem is simply that Wolverine and Storm, the characters who have the least to do, have the most screen time. If anything it should be Wolverine and Rogue, as they are (or atleast began as) the two main characters of the saga. Interesting how Halle Berry and Anna Paquin's screentime is completely reversed between X1 and XIII. Let's face it, the movie Rogue is far more interesting than the movie Storm.

So much potential with Rogue, completely wasted in XIII.

Rogue had her storyline in X1 where she was more aless the main character under Wolverine. She had an entire backstory, and she was the main focus in Magneto's plan.

It was time for some other people to step forward like Storm, Kitty, even Iceman who hadn't had a lot to do in previous movies.

 

[XCharlieX]

All I'm saying is for people who didn't like it at first, and later did, I believe that's a major factor as to why.

I agree. I think when folks have time to overthink things months before a film they can really begin to tear things apart too much. Having said that whoever said the pacing was rather rapid, I feel if one was tracking the flick or not, they would notice.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Oh, wait, sorry... I confused your name with AznBABYBANDIT You both liked Hulk and... forget it, I'm such a smartass.

ahem... who said i liked hulk?

 

[Seen]

I would have liked to have seen Scott's role beefed up considerably, and the original ending kept with Washington, D.C. for the climax versus San Francisco.

As for the film itself, I give it 50/50. It was good, not horrible, but could've been far better. I do think it was the worst of the three, but I rank X-Men higher because I think it had more pathos and depth than X-Men: The Last Stand. In this one, there wasn't much time for character development. Now, X-Men didn't have much room for character development either, but there were at least scenes of rest between characters besides just scenes always juggling between different plots, characters and moments.

The X-Men saga is very similiar to the original Star Wars trilogy -- I very much relate the first X-Men to A New Hope, for introducing us to these characters and this fantastical world, I relate X2 to The Empire Stikes Back, for its darker, edgier handling of these characters and how the stakes were raised, the drama was amplified and more was at jeopardy (for the characters and for entire world), and I relate X-Men: The Last Stand to Return of the Jedi, a lighter approach with as much dumb aspects as good aspects. Not a perfect way to end the trilogy, but a passable way.