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Sequels villains Spidey 4..has anyone read this?!

I don't think He would look cheesey or campy on Film. pretty much the only change that should be made to Him is, His look. I loved His look in the Comics but I think they should a update it a little but still keep aspects from the Comics, such as the eye buckles for the cape, the gloves, the cape, the bowl on his head, etc. Somebody on this forum did a manip of Mysterio which would look perfectley on Film.

Mysterio could work best, I think, if they made it clear that the costume was due to his showbiz ties... hey, the costume could be stolen from whatever movie that he (with Mary Jane, perhaps?) is working on. Or is that too Scooby-Doo?
 
Mysterio could work best, I think, if they made it clear that the costume was due to his showbiz ties... hey, the costume could be stolen from whatever movie that he (with Mary Jane, perhaps?) is working on. Or is that too Scooby-Doo?
Thats not a bad idea. I do think that in order to stay true to the Comics, He will have to make His own Costume and gadgets by Himself, and I think it would work out better that way. But your idea could work very well. As long as it has something to do with the Movie buisness and it's not deviating too far from the Comics. Something concerns me though...wouldn't the people involved with the Film know that the suit Mysterio stole was their suit? Then they could connect the robbery to Quinten Beck because maybe nobody has heard from him since the costume was stolen. Mysterio is suppose to be a Villian that nobody has seen befor. That is one of the reasons I think it would be better for Mysterio to make his own costume and gadgets.
 
Thrice it... Mysterio can easily be tied into a movie within a movie as a visual effects guy... I would do something along the lines of Spiderman making an appearace in the movie in a movie (maybe he is trying to impress MJ if they break up again in SM4... or is just tired of working for Jameson at the Bugle)... once Spiderman goes public and receiving more attention than ever before... Jameson hires Mac Gargan to do some spy work... after Beck gets fired from the set (since his visual skills are no longer needed) he gets revenge on Spidey and frames him for murder or something along those lines. After Jameson uncovers that Gargan is a wanted convict... Jameson fires Gargan (similar to what he did to Eddie) but Gargan pleads with Jameson... together... maybe with the help of King Pin... Gargan volunteers for the Scorpion project which is funded by Jameson to bring Spiderman in once and for all.
 
Thrice it... Mysterio can easily be tied into a movie within a movie as a visual effects guy... I would do something along the lines of Spiderman making an appearace in the movie in a movie (maybe he is trying to impress MJ if they break up again in SM4... or is just tired of working for Jameson at the Bugle)... once Spiderman goes public and receiving more attention than ever before... Jameson hires Mac Gargan to do some spy work... after Beck gets fired from the set (since his visual skills are no longer needed) he gets revenge on Spidey and frames him for murder or something along those lines. After Jameson uncovers that Gargan is a wanted convict... Jameson fires Gargan (similar to what he did to Eddie) but Gargan pleads with Jameson... together... maybe with the help of King Pin... Gargan volunteers for the Scorpion project which is funded by Jameson to bring Spiderman in once and for all.
Your idea isn't bad but I don't think it would work out very well. I would rather have Quinten Beck be a visual effects guy and have him get fired. Quinten Beck wants to be noticed by the world, so He see's that JJJ hates Spider-Man. He designs a Costume. So He decides that He wants to defeat Spider-Man. Thats only half of what I think should happen. But you get the idea. I think Spidey and Mysterio should have two or three fights in the Film. I think maybe two though.
 
Yeah but I don't think Mysterio can hold the movie on his own... I'd give the role you mentioned above to Scorpion... just a mercenary type bad ass... it doesn't go too far from the comics... and you'd have another villain opp Mysterio... I like Electro and Vulture too but I don't think you can mold them into that kind of plot as featured villains.
 
Lizard as a villain for the fourth film is a must. But I don't know about Carnage....
 
I think you guys are getting too attached to the Kraven and Lizard plotline idea. You are all setting yourselves up for disappointment cause all signs (to me) point to that storyline not being used in SM4.

Are we dooming SM4 already like we did when we proclaimed SM3 to be the best movie ever in 2004? I think the cycle is starting again. I see fanboy whining on the horizon when SM4 is out, and it isn't what they expected.
 
How ironic would it be if movie Carnage turned out to be a better realised baddie compared to his parent?
 
I think you guys are getting too attached to the Kraven and Lizard plotline idea. You are all setting yourselves up for disappointment cause all signs (to me) point to that storyline not being used in SM4.

Are we dooming SM4 already like we did when we proclaimed SM3 to be the best movie ever in 2004? I think the cycle is starting again. I see fanboy whining on the horizon when SM4 is out, and it isn't what they expected.

good post... but I just can't do Carnage... Electro maybe
 
from what ive heard the villains will be..... carnage & lizard with a return of venom twards the end. :woot:
 
That rumor has been known for a while... it's probably BS... Topher is done with the role... if they do that they are nuts... the symbiate saga hit a brick wall with fifteen minute Venom... just ditch the symbiate for good...
 
Guess I should have posted this here to begin with:

I know Superherohype is the most careful of all sites as far as checking sources, so I know to take this with a grain of salt....but has anyone come across this? It claims to know the villains for the next movie and cites the original source who squealed about Venom.

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/05/0...d-source-says/


Just reporting what I just found.

Yeah... back in MAY. Check this little story out, how those villains might work. ;)



This is the finale of three trailers I have come up with for Spidey4. Each trailer has revealed to the audience(readers) more and more info on the direction of the story and who the villains are. Feel free to speculate and figure out who the villains will be. There are multiple villains in this version… 4 to be exact. So tell me what you think. Now a little about this trailer. Unlike the previous trailers, this one is considered to be my Theatrical Trailer. This trailer would be twice as long as the Comic-Con Leaked Trailer and four times as long as the Teaser Trailer. The villains revealed thus far is Lizard and Kraven. Much like the previous trailers, it picks up after the events of Spidey3 with a flashback(by no means am I saying Spidey3 will end this way-- for my use only) and have scenes from the two previous trailers. So enjoy.

Scene1 - The Introduction:

* music plays Phil Collins “I can feel it coming in the air tonight” *

The following PREVIEW has been approved for ALL AUDIENCES by the Motion Picture Association of America, INC.
* The screen goes black, as a phrase fades in, “with great power, comes great responsibility”. Quick look back in slow motion from “Spiderman“ of the Burglar running pass Peter, making eye contact as the Burglar enters the elevator, Peter rising in anger from a lifeless Uncle Ben to pursue the Burglar, and Uncle Ben’s headstone as the screen fades to black… moments later the phrase, “yet a choice is made“. Another quick look back in slow motion, this time from “Spiderman2” of Peter dropping his mask in the garbage, standing by his window seal looking out as the camera pans away, and a crouching, mask-less Spiderman looking over his shoulders at MJ who is stun to discover that Peter is Spiderman as the screen goes black… moments later the phrase, “and the battle within, won”. A final look back in slow motion from “Spiderman3” of Spiderman in the bell tower with bare chest exposed, ripping off the Symbiote in angst, Venom hit by a huge sonic blast, with agony and pain as Eddie and the Symbiote begin separating with Eddie collapsing to the floor, and the Symbiote flows down the steel columns, drips to the ground, and scurry into the shadows as the screen goes black with Peter’s voice over saying, “What use is a gift, if it brings harm to everyone I love… everyone who’s close to me.” The music suddenly stops and a heavenly, yet wise feminine voice softly says, “Because my son, you are the only one mentally capable, with the inner strength, to handle the Great Threat that is yet to come”. *

Columbia Pictures logo appears as a huge orchestrated musical score is played, as Spiderman swing through traffic and lands high on the side of a building.

* now a soft gothic choir music plays in the background like the real trailer or like “the Omen” *

Scene2 - The Story:

We see Peter from a distance, in a black suit, standing alone next to a tree, facing two headstones. Suddenly the scene cut to a close up of Peter looking down in sadness, slowly looking straight out to nowhere, with watery eyes. He glances at the engagement ring in the box; his face expression change to that of anger and screams out, “WHY ME!!!” A phrase “old concerns return“ appears. The scene shifts to the apartment where Peter stands near his dresser chest, top dresser open, MJ walks in, he suddenly hide the engagement box in the dresser and quickly close, looking guilty at MJ. Another scene outside with MJ asking Peter in a trembling concern voice, “Why are you avoiding me… why won’t you talk to me“. The phrase “sense of responsibility even greater“ appears. Scene shifts to Empire State Univ. Genetics Lab, where Dr. Ben Reilly(Adrian Lester) and Prof. Miles Warren preparing to leave Dr. Connors in the lab for the night. Miles, on the way out, whispers in Connors ear while rubbing his nub arm, “Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do Doctor“ as he malignly chuckles. Scene shifts to a group of people inside and outside a shop window full of TV screens, watching and listening to a news broadcast. “The fourth victim in as many days, has been found this morning, carved and butchered. The city of New York is living in fear”. We see a curious Security Officer walking down a dark hallway with a flashlight and loose electrical wires popping all over the place. SO: “Dr. Connors“, he slowly looks around, “Dr. Connors sir, is everything alright in there.” A very low, soft, and eerie snarl permeates the stillness. SO: “Dr. Connors, is that you sir“ as we see the spot of the light, from the SO’s flashlight slowly pans the room… Suddenly, the Security Officer looks over his shoulders in sure fright as something horrible leaps towards the screen. Quickly cuts to another scene, Assistant: “Mr. Kravinoff, your flight to New York is ready sir”. Kraven:"Great… get me my herbal potion.“ Assistant: “Yes, right away sir.” The phrase “and new choices must be made” appears as the music intensifies. A number of scenes flash by in slow motion with a number of voiceovers… scenes of Peter and Betty standing near her desk, smiling at each other, with Betty’s voiceover saying, “I’m so happy Peter”. Cut to another scene in slow motion of Betty hugging Peter with MJ‘s voiceover saying, “What‘s happening to us Peter“. The scene switch again, where a voice over of Peter tells MJ, “I can’t do this anymore”, while the camera pans back from MJ‘s broken face and look of loss. The scene cuts to Peter visiting an angry and outraged Harry at the hospital, as male nurses run in to subdue Harry. Harry is in an angry outburst, “You’re here to help, than get me out of here. I’m not crazy… get me out of here Pete“. Nurse: “I‘m going to have to ask you to leave now Mr. Parker“… Harry yells, “get me out of here… Peter…. PETER!” All while a nurse directs Peter out, as a doctor rushes in, gives Harry a sedative shot, and straps him to a chair. The phrase “as a new deadlier enemy arise” appears. A man holding a ten inch blade ducks behind the side of a building, next to an alley. The camera slowly pans towards that dark alley where in a dim, shadowy corner, slightly behind a dumpster, seems to appear someone’s leg lying just out from the dumpster and the back of someone kneeling over it. The music stops and the screen goes completely black as we hear a scream.

Scene3 - Multiple Scenes:

* a mixed version of the song “Hero” starts playing in the background as multiple scenes quickly flash across the screen *

The scene of a clear moonlit sky, a mask-less Spiderman squatting on the edge of a Gothic figurehead, high above, overlooking the city, as the camera slowly rotates around him from a short distance, giving the viewer a nice view of the city landscape. The scene cuts to a close-up of the mask-less Spiderman, perched on that Gothic figurehead, with a concern look on his face, a look of deep thought and contemplating as the camera rotates from one side of his face to the other side. Cut to several scenes of Spidey in action… swinging around the daytime city, gliding through the air with webbed wings, phrase fades in * Summer 2009 * The scene cuts to Robbie introducing Peter to a new writer/staff member investigating Oscorp possible involvement with past and current super villains, as Robbie describe to Peter and the new writer, a strange report from eye-witnesses, that this beast wears a lab coat… Peter with bucked eyes, whispers to himself, “Dr. Connors”, and dashes off, scene cuts to Lizard tossing Spidey into a wall, another scene of Peter telling the Lizard, ”Please Dr. Connors, you must fight it” as the Lizard tosses a car at Spidey, Mrs. Connors collapses to the floor crying saying, “Where is my husband” as police tries to console her, Kraven diving at the Lizard while throwing darts and daggers at the Lizard, Spidey screams out, "NO!!!" and tackles Kraven, a phrase fades in, * from Columbia Pictures * Scene shifts to a man at a phone booth outside an abandon warehouse talking to someone, a quick scene of MJ being console by John, Peter says to Betty, “I’m afraid” as Betty gently rubs the side of Peter’s face as they gaze upon each other, the scene flips to Kraven’s boomerang cutting Spidey’s web while in mid flight, as Spidey falls towards the ground, flip to a man walking into a white room where Harry is strapped to a chair and sinisterly speaks, “Mis… ter… Os.. Born…. It’s time we talk business,” Harry spit at his feet, a phrase fades in, * a hero must conquer his fears * a scene switch to a newspaper headlines, “Lizard on Killing Spree, Butchers 5th Victim“, than in small print below, “Police still searching for escaped convict Cletus Kasady“, quick scene of Spidey looking over his shoulders in fear, scenes flash by faster to The Lizard and a Tiger leaping off the hood of cars at each other, The lizard leaps away from deadly spears, JJJ rises out of his seat and looks at Robbie with disbelief, camera pans student looking stun, A phrase fades in, * and resolve old wounds * Norman appears to Harry in the Study, Harry slams glass to the floor, MJ running away crying, Dr. Reilly informs Spidey, ”he can control it for short periods at a time,” MJ sits at the airport with uncertainty, Harry visits his fathers grave site in tears with Peter approaching from behind, a phrase fades in, * in the most anticipated film of the decade * Kraven standing over Spidey with a spear stuck in the ground and a Tiger breathing on his face, Dr. Connors lay beaten in the street as Spidey tells Kraven, as the music stops, “Dr. Connors is not the killing beast, terrorizing New York, that thing is still out there, and I must stop it… please Mr. Kravinoff I need your help stopping it."

Final Scene:

Police stand firm with drawn weapon aim at a dark alley and Capt. Stacy gives a final warning, “Come out peacefully, or we will have to get you forcefully, it’s your choice Kasady.” A shadowy figure barely seen begins to appear, with huge white eyes, fluidly and crimson, with a sinister sounding, eerie looking grin on it’s face, suddenly leaps out at the screen; and just as quickly, we hear many screams meld into one scream with someone’s eyes wide open, twitching in fear, in a cold sweat… the screen goes black, and we hear MJ say in a panicking voice, “Peter”. The Spidey4 logo appears and fades off.


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I don't think that having Carnage is a terrible idea. True that he is a serial killer but it's not like we have to seem him slaughtering people in the streets with his bare hands, although that would be cool, this isn't God of War (and they do need to get that movie into gear). Carnage could kill people perhaps not the most direct way but still effectively. Some people make it seem like we can see anything remotely violent in a movie, someone saying something like they couldn't even see the Daily Bugle announcing a murder. Pshh, in the first Spidey they announced a murder, that lab dude with Osborn when he took in the gas. I'm not saying "oh yes let's have Carnage in SM4, 5, 6" however if they can pull it off right then hell why not. Personally I think the Lizard is due his time and I think he will get it.
 
I hope the next bad guy is Lizard.I really wont to see Lizard.Or Shocker.
I don't want to see the Sinister Six.
 
they didnt do venom justice and if they had carnage in the next one it would help to completely bury one of my favorite villians . if they arent gonna bring back venom just let the whole symbiote stroy die there . they definatley brought the whole idea in way too soon , should of stuck with sandman /vulture for three and electro / lizard for four . the sinister six would be cool but a very rare possibility
 
I thought they did Venom just the amount of justice he deserves. Personally, I think he's over-rated in the comics.
 
Here's my thoughts on SM3/SM4/ Villains for SM4:

Does anyone else think that the villains in SM4 should be The Lizard and Venom?? I think you could a get a great story out of it.......Curt Connors has that sample of the symbiote from SM3 and perhaps that leads to him studying it and developing the serum that ultimately transforms him into the Lizard. Some of the symbiote's powers could help the regeneration of his arm....with no Venom like side effects though - - I AM NOT hinting at a Lizard-Venom ! The sewers of NY would make great scenes in a film ala the comics and more recently the beautiful SM3 video game. The sewers ALSO could be a starting point for where is the Venom symbiote.....how they tie where Eddie Brock is is another story. Keep in mind that the symbiote DOES have vast other worldly powers that were not even touched upon in SM3 ....that could be another avenue to where it is.....I could totally see the Lizard and Venom's return upon Spidey leading into a battle between Lizard and Venom as they both hate him and want to kill him leading into them wanting to kill each other. Venom would definitely kick Lizard's ass and perhaps this is where the story turns: A brutal underground sewer fight between Spidey, Lizard and Venom equals a brutal fight between Liz and Venom with Venom just about to kill Lizard when Spidey stops Venom from killing Lizard which touches upon the human-ess in him (Connors) which results in not quite a team up, but something close in defeating Venom which lands Brock in jail (....which leads to Carnage?). However, the Lizard ultimately overtakes Connors and he runs off into the unknown in the end, leaving everything behind...... which could set up SM5 where the Lizard travels to another country....only to be hunted by Kraven and returns to US bringing Kraven with him!! I DEFINITELY DO NO THINK that Kraven should be in SM4 - - absolutley not!!!

ALSO - - what ever happened to Mysterio played by Bruce Campbell as mentioned for SM3 - - I never read what happened to that...anyone know?

What about Mysterio and Lizard in SM4? Mysterio capturing the Lizard and uses him in robberies - - people think it is an illusion ultimately to discover its .......ok, I'm getting crazy here!
 
Does anyone else think that the villains in SM4 should be The Lizard and Venom??
Lizard? Absolutely yes. Venom? Hell no.

ALSO - - what ever happened to Mysterio played by Bruce Campbell as mentioned for SM3 - - I never read what happened to that...anyone know?
Bruce was never supposed to be Mysterio.
*sigh* Long story short lordofthenerds sent fake info about Mysterio as a joke to AICN. And since then, everybody freakin bought it.
 
lizard and kraven would be great.
but i WANT to see carnage in at least one spidey flick
 
I hope Carnage and Avi Arad are kept as far away from Spidey 4 as possible.
Let's have Lizard and Kraven. Two classic villains that would at least make sense in the same film together.
 
I really wish I remebered the exact link but I just recently read an interveiw with avi arad about his current involvement in bratz and his furture projects. He spoke of spider man 4 and the venom spin off. While talking about sm4 he mentioned that a villian who was once thought dead will make a return (venom possibly) which would make sense if the carnage artical is true. also black cat would be a cool addition to SM 4 considering her involvement in the maximum carnage story line. But since its far to early to tell I guess well just have to wait and see. And if venom does return I hope they show more of the bond between brock and the symbiot such as referning to himself as "we".
 
I really wish I remebered the exact link but I just recently read an interveiw with avi arad about his current involvement in bratz and his furture projects. He spoke of spider man 4 and the venom spin off. While talking about sm4 he mentioned that a villian who was once thought dead will make a return (venom possibly) which would make sense if the carnage artical is true. also black cat would be a cool addition to SM 4 considering her involvement in the maximum carnage story line. But since its far to early to tell I guess well just have to wait and see. And if venom does return I hope they show more of the bond between brock and the symbiot such as referning to himself as "we".
 
^^ Yea it didn't sit too well with me that Brock said "I" which breaks the whole bonding story with the symbiote. Terrible move I think with that. It may seem little, but it means and tells a lot.
 

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