WandaVision WandaVision: season 1 Episode 9: “Series Finale” (Spoilers)

[fan4stic]

Can you please keep your religion out of these discussions?

No. But I didn't bring up the conversation in the first place, like that.

 

[Donner]

I have to say, applying real world logic to the implications of the ethics and due process of superheroes’ actions in the MCU is kind of a fruitless endeavor. If you’re going do that, you might as well do it for every single major character in the MCU, like Black Widow, Hawkeye, Thor and Captain America, who have killed hundreds, thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people and committed so many atrocities before and during the events of the films they would have been put on death row so long ago. Hell, Hawkeye probably killed thousands of people alone within just five years post-Snap. With that perspective, Wanda, with her past actions and current ones in this series taken into account, like accidentally blowing up a small number of Wankandan ambassadors, and temporarily mindcontrolling an entire town in her grief for a week, starts to look pretty good by comparison.

Not to say that what she did wasn’t wrong, it was, but the show is more interested in and focused on how she deals with her grief and her journey throughout. By the end, she’s dealt with the loss of Vision, accepted who she is, and is a more complete person. She’s not a victim or subservient like she was in her earlier appearances in the MCU. She’s now her own person, and can make her own choices with a clear conscience.

I agree with this 100%. I feel like it's tiresome to go through the morality of every comic book movie (unless morality is a big part of the theme). Some of the "good" guys in these movies cause so much destruction and mayhem and it's not even talked about, let alone defended. There are usually bigger things at play. Like Hawkeye slaughtering people for 5 years. I suppose they could have talked about that, but the bigger issue was getting the stones and bringing everyone back.

 

[Donner]

No. But I didn't bring up the conversation in the first place, like that.

He wasn't talking about religion. He was talking about the fictional MCU world where fictional gods exist.

You just find any reason to bring your god into a discussion and it's kind of annoying and detracts from the thread.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

In a way she has already destroyed the world: The Hex world and all that represented Wanda's whole world - Hex Vision and her kids. So the prophecy has already been fulfilled.

No, Agatha was clearly referring to the corporeal world.

 

[#root]

I don’t think Wanda will go unpunished. I want the poor thing to be happy and watch her sitcoms in peace but her tragedy isn’t over yet. White Vision is out there. He might be emotionless but Wanda isn’t so that might cause some drama. Plus there’s the question of what will happen to her kids. More importantly, how far will Wanda go to fight for them/get them back. Seems like there’s lots of turmoil ahead for her.

One thing that I haven’t seen much discussion about (or maybe I missed it because I caught on late) is what was the point of broadcasting the whole thing? Was the CMBR + wavelength mumbo jumbo Darcy talking about just an unintended side effect of chaos magic? Or was it a subconscious cry for help on Wanda’s part?

 

[NeverReadComics]

Generally, loved it.

And they were right to focus on Wanda and her story. In the finale there were tears in this household and in these eyes, seeing Wanda saying goodbye to Vision and her kids was really incredibly emotional.

And I loved the throw back to the Hulk movie at the end. That film is unfairly treated as a bit of a black sheep in the MCU but I actually think that is very harsh. That film added to the overall narrative (in giving us Hulk, albeit with a different actor).

A film that did not add to the overall narrative was Iron Man 3. And the reason for that was because it was a film that immediately followed New York with the main protagonist AND main scientist in Marvel, and they failed to build on that, at all. That was my main issue with the Mandarin troll. The Mandarin (or whoever) should've been the guy who harnessed the alien technology that had just fallen over New York.

And this is my issue with the Evan Peters troll. There is a bigger narrative that needs to be told about mutants and cross-overs, so we don't really have time to play silly games. I never for a second thought that the MCU would incorporate the dysfunctional timelines and poor character development from the Foxverse, but I did think they might have used some of the same actors who so many people identified the characters with. And Evan Peters was the actor who we identified with the most.

I speculated that now that Deadpool was officially part of the MCU, they might want to use some of the actors who appeared in the background in the Mansion. Sure it was a joke, and it was meta, and all of that, and it probably doesn't matter, but somehow it does...

This is supposed to be a connected universe. There is supposed to be some kind of thread that connects it all. Consistency. This is after all why so many people criticise the Hulk movie. Ironically the change of actor undermined the continuity (as did most of the rest of the characters disappearing). But fundamentally the essence of the Hulk character was carried over.

In some respects it was more consistent than other entries especially Iron Man 3. And here, with WandaVision, they missed an opportunity. And that's all it is at the moment. There's almost certainly time to set it right and to do so on their own terms. With the character development, with the correct timelines, with the meticulously curated cast that the MCU has done so well. But this is a missed opportunity.

Wanda is definitely not a mutant though.

 

[First Avenger]

I don’t think Wanda will go unpunished. I want the poor thing to be happy and watch her sitcoms in peace but her tragedy isn’t over yet. White Vision is out there. He might be emotionless but Wanda isn’t so that might cause some drama. Plus there’s the question of what will happen to her kids. More importantly, how far will Wanda go to fight for them/get them back. Seems like there’s lots of turmoil ahead for her.

One thing that I haven’t seen much discussion about (or maybe I missed it because I caught on late) is what was the point of broadcasting the whole thing? Was the CMBR + wavelength mumbo jumbo Darcy talking about just an unintended side effect of chaos magic? Or was it a subconscious cry for help on Wanda’s part?

Wanda literally created not Just a sit-com reality, but a "real" sit-com, so the broadcast was part of that.

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, the show's finale really lost the momentum that was carefully built in the past few episodes.

Imho, it would have been better if they had established Agatha (or another villain) as having been the true mastermind behind the Hex. It's weird that they simply glossed over the consequences that should have followed from Wanda having imprisoned everyone against their own will for several weeks.

Plus, was it really necessary to have Evan Peters portray a fake Quicksilver? It's bad enough that "Far From Home" had misled us into thinking that they would tackle on the Multiverse.

 

[henzINNIT]

God is real and Jesus Christ is Way, the Truth and the Life. I've seen Him act in my life, and change my mind, heart and soul. I've prayed for help in understanding the Bible and in the same day, someone knocked on the door asking me if I'd like help in understanding the Bible. God is funny in that way.

God is such a joker. Look at all contradictory holy texts, and the hilariously cruel and outdated methods he snuck in to them for the lols. He's basically an online troll.

 

[NHawk19]

There's one thing Wanda said before the boys disappeared that I'm curious about. She thanked them for choosing her as their mother. That might imply she didn't completely create them, she merely offered a vessel for someone to inhabit. Might also explain why we heard their calls at the end.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Haven't had time to watch it yet, but Kevin Smith has an interview with the director which apparently also explains some scenes that had to be cut due to being unfinished as a result of Covid delays

 

[Holy Slapper]

No. But I didn't bring up the conversation in the first place, like that.

Well I'm about to start randomly praising Cthulhu and the Flying Spaghetti Monster soon then.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Haven't had time to watch it yet, but Kevin Smith has an interview with the director which apparently also explains some scenes that had to be cut due to being unfinished as a result of Covid delays

Man I really want to watch this but 2 hours is a long time!

 

[Dark Raven]

Man I really want to watch this but 2 hours is a long time!

If you watch it and summarise it here, then it won't be as long for the rest of us.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Some of the things said in the interview are reported here:
'WandaVision': Matt Shakman Opens Up About How the Pandemic Changed the Finale - Murphy's Multiverse -
'WandaVision' Was Originally 10-Episodes Long - Murphy's Multiverse -

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If you watch it and summarise it here, then it won't be as long for the rest of us.

Bit difficult when I am currently in work

 

[Dark Raven]

Some of the things said in the interview are reported here:
'WandaVision': Matt Shakman Opens Up About How the Pandemic Changed the Finale - Murphy's Multiverse -
'WandaVision' Was Originally 10-Episodes Long - Murphy's Multiverse -

It says in that first article:

"Monica was even originally going to have a bigger role in the finale, such as her, the kids, Ralph, and Darcy trying to steal the Darkhold from the basement. There we would find out that the bunny Scratchy was a demon. It was all filmed but they couldn’t finish the VFX for it."

I hope they do finish the VFX and give us a longer cut one day. I would love to see a more fleshed out finale and show overall. There were some parts that did feel as if they faded out abruptly like Darcy.

Also the pic used for the 2nd article is of this:

I need to point out once again how hot Wanda looked in that outfit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It says in that first article:

"Monica was even originally going to have a bigger role in the finale, such as her, the kids, Ralph, and Darcy trying to steal the Darkhold from the basement. There we would find out that the bunny Scratchy was a demon. It was all filmed but they couldn’t finish the VFX for it."

I hope they do finish the VFX and give us a longer cut one day. I would love to see a more fleshed out finale and show overall. There were some parts that did feel as if they faded out abruptly like Darcy.

Also the pic used for the 2nd article is of this:

I need to point out once again how hot Wanda looked in that outfit.

Oh man, I really hope we get the extended/original finale one day. This makes me a bit more sympathetic to the current one as the all of the stuff that felt rushed probably was.

 

[LoganPool]

Can someone explain to me how Agetha is suppose to be "imprisoned" inside Westview, WITHOUT the hex? Eliminating the hex, eliminated the "mind manipulation", right?

 

[Kev4000]

Can someone explain to me how Agetha is suppose to be "imprisoned" inside Westview, WITHOUT the hex? Eliminating the hex, eliminated the "mind manipulation", right?

In my point of view that was a seperate spell so it would still work without the hex.

 

[Dark Raven]

In my point of view that was a seperate spell so it would still work without the hex.

That's what I thought. Although wouldn't the spell have to work on all the people of Westview in order to successfully pull it off? Otherwise wouldn't they recognise that she isn't from around there and just appeared out of nowhere seemingly? And they would surely remember her from their time in the Hex. And if she interacts with them and is as nosy as she is, then surely she would start to wonder why everyone else is so traumatised and will figure things out eventually.

 

[Dark Raven]

Oh man, I really hope we get the extended/original finale one day. This makes me a bit more sympathetic to the current one as the all of the stuff that felt rushed probably was.

If it's all already filmed then there can't be any reason they couldn't finish off those VFX when the pandemic is over and people can all come together again. I would hope there are extended scenes for all the episodes. I even want those scenes that were never in the episodes but filmed purely for the title sequences like that crane shot of Wanda, Vision and the kids running towards the camera, or even all those scenes from the 70s episode of Wanda and Vision dancing together or swinging on the swing set. Give us more!

 

[RockSP]

Haven't had time to watch it yet, but Kevin Smith has an interview with the director which apparently also explains some scenes that had to be cut due to being unfinished as a result of Covid delays;]

Saw this last night. The cut scene they talked about involved Senor Scratchy turning into a demon/monster. He said they shot it but no effects are done of course, which made either Kevin or Mark say they want a Shakman Cut of the series lol. Kevin also said its probably for the best the scene got cut, because fanboys would think that demon was Mephisto like they thought everybody else was Mephisto

 

[Kev4000]

"Monica was even originally going to have a bigger role in the finale, such as her, the kids, Ralph, and Darcy trying to steal the Darkhold from the basement. There we would find out that the bunny Scratchy was a demon. It was all filmed but they couldn’t finish the VFX for it."

That sounds awesome and some part of the audience could be more satisfied with that version of the final since an actual demon appears at least (because they miss Mephisto). I just wonder why Ralph would be for this around. All the writing/editing still should get praise to manage there job in this pandemic being so flexible.

 

[Zarex]

Oh man, I really hope we get the extended/original finale one day. This makes me a bit more sympathetic to the current one as the all of the stuff that felt rushed probably was.

With all the buzz currently surrounding the Snyder Cut, I can't imaging how much interest the Mouse could generate in an extended version of something folks actually like!

Can someone explain to me how Agetha is suppose to be "imprisoned" inside Westview, WITHOUT the hex? Eliminating the hex, eliminated the "mind manipulation", right?

Agatha still has her abilities, but Wanda put the mind whammy on her so she is unaware of them. She's a smart old crone, so I am thinking she will wriggle out of it on her own eventually like Odin did with Loki's mind whomp.