Warner Bros. Reimagining Sherlock Holmes

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This is totally how I see Moriarty, and that's why I'll never like Brad Pitt for the role (unless they give him a bald spot and some wrinkles). I don't want a young and handsome Moriarty just because people think a younger, more handsome character would better parallel RDJ's Holmes, or because a younger more handsome character is more "fun" to watch, or because a younger more handsome character would get more female butts in the seats and the movie would make more money, or because somebody heard a tiny rumor that Brad Pitt might (not would, mind you) be Moriarty and now they won't stop *****ing and moaning and crying "COP OUT" until they see just that.

Somebody already mentioned Bill Nighy. I could see him in the role, and he's English, so nobody can complain about his accent!

Of course I don't want somebody so old and frail that it looks like RDJ's Holmes can break him like a twig. I just want somebody who actually looks like an aging, evil professor slash mastermind of crime, not a Calvin Kline model gone bad.

when's the last time you actually looked at a picture of Brad Pitt? not saying he would be my top choice, but he doesn't look like a model these days. still a good looking guy for his age, but he looks like he can play a middle aged professor, a bit older than Sherlock and still be a physical threat as well as a cerebral one.

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Yeah, he still looks good for his age, but you know, they have this makeup thing too. And Pitt as a great actor. I'm not saying choose a left field choice like RDJ, but if this is a new vision of Holmes then we shouldn't go with the cliched old english man that anyone can find. Pitt is interesting enough to make us wonder about to the role and do something new with it.
 
Just saw this today and it was quite enjoyable. I give it a solid 8/10. Good but still not Star Trek good. :D
 
Pitt is going up on 50 right now. If he's still young, somebody forgot to send the memo.
 
I need some help with starting Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes literature history. I read in only chronological way because it seems to make the most common sense to me, likei have to do some research to make sure what the order is and not some publication order per say; my most recent author foray was Charles Bukowski, I only read his Chinaski novels and had to make sure i read them in chronological order because I was reading one about to go to the next and found out the next novel which was released 3 years later had "taken place" 20 years before...

I want to read his adventures as if he was a real person so, well all I do know about Sherlock is the chronological order...
1. A Study in Scarlet (1887) novel
2. The Sign of Fear (1890) novel
3. The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes (1891-1892) short stories collection
4. The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes (1892-1893) short stories collection
5. The Hound of the Baskervilles (1902) novel
6. The Return of Sherlock Holmes (1903-1904) short stories collection
7. His Last Bow (1908-1913, 1917) short stories collection
8. The Valley of Fear (1914-1915) novel
9. The Case-Book of Sherlock Holmes (1921-1927) short stories collection

So, what is the best way to go about this the cheapest? I almost would try to tackle each number individually to not mess up the chronological order unless the two books "Sherlock Holmes: The Complete Novels and Stories" part I & II off of B&N.com are actually perfect to get... What do you Holmes Fanatics suggest would be the best way for me to tackle this great character?

Thanks...
 
I guess we'll all have to guess at what Johnny Depp's Holmes would be like.
 
Oh shizzle. But on the other side of the coin, the Chipmunks did also.
 
Has Brad Pitt ever been in a role where he is deliberately sinister or evil? I'm not that familiar with his work, but the closest examples I can think of (Aldo from I.B. and Tyler Durden) have been played more for comedy to balance their sadism/violence--not the coldness that Moriarty requires.
Pitt was quite sinister terrorist in The Devil's Own
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil's_Own
I was telling my gf as we left the theatre that he reminded me of a less wimpy version of Stanley Tucci.
Mark Strong always reminded me of an ass kicking Stanley Tucci as well.
I'm not familiar with Mycroft but looking at that drawing you posted...Stephen Fry seems like a pretty damn good choice.
Stephen Fry would be Awesome the guys a genuis as it is.

I'm english and thought RDJ accent was fine. I've seen quite a few American actors do decent British accents Ed Norton in Painted Veil, Peter Srsgaard in An Education. Johnny Depp always does a good one as well.

I think alot of British audiences would like to see american actors try a different regional or more contemporary English accent rather than the same old speaky posh accent which is nowhere near as widely spoken as alot of Americans think.
 
All ya'll sound alike to us.
 
Not really. Cockney, (That's Michael Caine) sound very different from a British person. Bale is Welsh which sounds different too.

It's like us in America. Southern accents, Jersey accents, etc.
 
considering Great Britain is made up of Scotland, England and Wales its hard to say all British people sound alike.

Christian Bale doesn't have a welsh accent he has an english one.
 
Born in Wales to english parents and not raised in Wales which is why he doesn't consider himself welsh. He lived in Wales from when he was born to when he was three and then his parents moved to england.
 
Ah, thanks.

Now I don't know what a welsh man sounds like.
 
Very funny.

Jeez, the UK has locations that are impossible to pronounce or all end with "Shire"
 
Yeah, Downey did a good accent. Of course, his accent was great in Chaplin as well.

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I think if you listen closely or watch the film a second time you can understand what Holmes is saying better.

"He doesn't mind." Love that line.
 
I saw this earlier in the week. It was quite entertaining. I actually expected it to be horrible and was reluctant to go as I saw it at best being Shanghi Knights and more likely Wild Wild West or Van Helsing in actuality. Instead, I was surprised to be thoroughly entertained by the entire experience and left smiling. While for pure escapist fun I'd say Star Trek, District 9 and Avatar were all better crafted and craftier experiences, I must say Sherlock Holmes was a barrel of fun.

I loved every scene that Holmes and Watson were on screen together. Downey completely sold his variation on Holmes, but he came alive when sparring whether figuratively or literally with his bromance companion, Dr. Watson. Though Law's Watson shares no similarities whatsoever with the one in the stories, he was very charismatic in his own way and the restaurant scene with them and Watosn's fiancé, as well as the prison scene were golden.

Rachel McAdams, despite a questionable hair style was as stunning as always. Unfortunately, her character was extremely underwritten. Irene Adler was one of Doyle's more interesting side creations and bringing her back should have been more interesting. She had little to do other than to trick Holmes once and gush over him for the rest of the film and surprisingly McAdams was somewhat frail next to Holmes as opposed to as appearing as his equal. Perhaps it is because she was written off as just the love interest and Guy Ritchie, notorious for his preference to male characters, did not see the need to really develop an interesting femme fatale. But it seems an opportunity lost. With what she had to work with McAdams was okay though.

Visually the film was stunning and gave a gritty recreation of Victorian London that while Hollywood and Ritchie, felt very real and believable. From the opening with the logos in the muddy streets, this just felt right.

My biggest complaint comes from the main mystery and villain. Mark Strong was fine with what he had to work with. However, after the very intriguing first act where he seems to raise himself from the grave after being executed, the story falls away and it becomes a dull and uninspired take over the world scheme. How he'll take over the UK, much less the US or the rest of the world, by killing Parliament is not explained and just seems as contrived and stupid as the scheme the villain had in Wild Wild West. It was window dressing and we never have a good idea what is really at stake. The ending where Holmes reveals everything could have been done better as well. Obviously the audience should not know the whole truth until the end, but there was no sign of discovery or mystery solving throughout the plot and then at the end it all comes together without explaining itself as it went along like it was an episode of Scooby-Doo.

So narratively, especially in the third act, it leaves quite a bit to be desired. But the visuals are stunning and the performances for the most part are incredibly smart, entertaining and witty. The two leads make this movie a good experience worth at least one revisit. I suspect that a lot was cut from this movie as I recall quite a few lines, scenes, moments, etc. in the trailers/ads not in the finished film. Something tells me the narrative of this was a mess from the script. Hopefully, they'll have more solid footing when they tackle Moriarty in the inevitable sequel. Ritchie seems to have his own problems to solve. But with Downey and Law in tow, it should be elementary.

7.5/10.

Very enjoyable.
 
Oh as for Moriarty in a sequel? Brad Pitt is too American (his accents as Irish and German were terrible) and too youthful looking, even if he is older than Downey. I think Liam Neeson, who the mainstream know as a cool kickass actor and who can truly act, would be an inspired choice.
 
Though Law's Watson shares no similarities whatsoever with the one in the stories, he was very charismatic in his own way and the restaurant scene with them and Watosn's fiancé, as well as the prison scene were golden.

I have to disagree with you there. While Watson was never quite as open with his annoyance at what Holmes has done, he has gotten annoyed with Holmes before. But again, never quite to the extent of punching him in the face.

But the brawling, ladies man, gambling problem Watson, that is all very much the book Watson. He was never the bumbling bafoon of the older movies. In fact, in that regard, Law is much, much closer to the books then previous film incarnations.

h as for Moriarty in a sequel? Brad Pitt is too American (his accents as Irish and German were terrible) and too youthful looking, even if he is older than Downey. I think Liam Neeson, who the mainstream know as a cool kickass actor and who can truly act, would be an inspired choice.
While I agree Liam would also be amazing, if you're implying Brad Pitt can't act, I think you're a bit off base. The man is an amazing character actor.
 
I'll have to agree about Watson...the problem was a lot of the older media portrayals cleaned up the characters for tv....Watson did have a bit of a gambling problem in the stories, and he did love the *****es
 
Oh as for Moriarty in a sequel? Brad Pitt is too American (his accents as Irish and German were terrible) and too youthful looking, even if he is older than Downey. I think Liam Neeson, who the mainstream know as a cool kickass actor and who can truly act, would be an inspired choice.

You obviously haven't seen Snatch. :huh:

Saying Brad Pitt is too American is like saying Robert Downey Jr. is too American. I seriously don't get why people continue to underestimate him when over the years he's turned out more versatile roles than many actor's today.
 
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