Warner Bros. Reimagining Sherlock Holmes

[spider-neil]

Irene Adler is American and from New Jersey in the only Holmes story she appears A Scandal in Bohemia.

that's what I thought. holmes said she beat him twice, I only recall them meeting once and she got away from him and as a reward for solving the case holmes asked for her photo (I preseme the photo he hides when she is in his room).

 

[Project862006]

anyone read this LOL

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/no-holmes-2-for-ritchie

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Yeah, I saw that. Slow news day fluff.

 

[Venomfan]

Also I thought the bridge scene was weak

i just thought it was lame that they ran from parliament to tower bridge in like 30 seconds. it takes like an hour to walk it

 

[Lighthouse]

I'm hoping this is alright. I just wanted to post this scene where Sherlock meets Moriarty. It's a great scene, and it's the kind of dynamic I hope the next movie sets up.

And Eric Porter's Moriarty looks almost identical to Paget's illustration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsiE8ABiztU

 

[Drizzle]

I saw it today. Eh, I thought it was okay, but then again I'm not much of a Sherlock Holmes fan. Downey was the best part, of course. He was really the glue that held the whole thing together, but Jude Law did okay. Overall, what I didn't like was that Blackwood wasn't all that great of a villain. He wasn't memorable, but I guess this film's purpose was to showcase Holmes. It is clear that Guy Ritchie and crew were influenced by Nolan's Batman films. The strong emphasis on the characters, the dark realism that was conveyed, all the way down to the buildup of a much greater nemesis for the sequel. I for one am interested to see who will play Moriarty in the sequel.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I don't know, but to me, this felt a little more fulfilling than Avatar.

 

[Dark Victory]

Saw this yesterday...

Didn't really care for it...

 

[MadVillainy]

IOverall, what I didn't like was that Blackwood wasn't all that great of a villain. He wasn't memorable.

I do agree with that

 

[terry78]

He wasn't supposed to be too clever. The whole movie was just a buildup to Moriarty. Blackwood was just a novice.

 

[Kelly]

He wasn't supposed to be too clever. The whole movie was just a buildup to Moriarty. Blackwood was just a novice.

The thing is I would venture to say that 90% of the audience didn't know/ and probably still doesn't know (lol) who Moriarty is...

It was taking quite a chance to put up a fairly weak villain in the first movie out...especially if you are trying to build a possible franchise, or in the least a sequel. I guess they figured that was a chance they could take, hoping that the RDJ appeal would be enough. I think that is what we are seeing in the BO, more than anything else.

 

[Venomfan]

i highly doubt it was planned to make Blackwood a weaker villain, however because he was, at least they won't have the problem that POTC had where none of the sequals villians measured up to barbossa

 

[ross2287]

I don't know, but to me, this felt a little more fulfilling than Avatar.

Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I saw it today. Eh, I thought it was okay, but then again I'm not much of a Sherlock Holmes fan. Downey was the best part, of course. He was really the glue that held the whole thing together, but Jude Law did okay. Overall, what I didn't like was that Blackwood wasn't all that great of a villain. He wasn't memorable, but I guess this film's purpose was to showcase Holmes. It is clear that Guy Ritchie and crew were influenced by Nolan's Batman films. The strong emphasis on the characters, the dark realism that was conveyed, all the way down to the buildup of a much greater nemesis for the sequel. I for one am interested to see who will play Moriarty in the sequel.

Every single thing you listed has been used effectively in many other films before Nolan's Batman films. None of them are exclusive to the Nolan Bat-franchise by any means.

 

[DACrowe]

well the trick with Holmes is he doesn't really have "villains." He is not a superhero. There is Moriarty as the exception and then there is Irene Adler as "the woman," but he never went down those types. The idea with his mysteries is that the villain is concealed and must be discovered.

They tried to reverse that with this where the mystery is how the villain is out there, but unfortunately he was very muddled and his scheme was generically dull. Ultimately, though many criticize McAdams and her character, fairly, it was Blackwood's lack of interest that hurt the movie.

Hopefully with Moriarty the one time Holmes can have a true villain, they don't muck it up, as well.

 

[spider-neil]

everyone talks about moriarty but after geting through the entire collection of SH I was shocked how little moriarty actually appears in SH.

 

[chamber-music]

Moriarty is more 'the man behind the curtain' villain.

 

[Ratcrawler]

I thought Blackwood was ok. The trouble is, I never believed he had supernatural powers because Holmes is pretty much the most logically grounded fictional hero ever it would be pointless seeing him square off against Draco Malfoy. The best part of any Holmes story--or mystery in general-- is the end where he puts all the pieces together. And that's what we were waiting for. Still, I guess as a setup Blackwood was pretty sPot on.

 

[spider-neil]

I saw a review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTAqqi7bJGU

this guy has obviously not read a single SACD novel in his life.
so every time SH finds a clue something is supposed to tell you he has found something? oh, dear me.

 

[mr. peasant]

Moriarty is more 'the man behind the curtain' villain.

I agree; which gets me thinking... what if the shadowy figure in the carriage and who later kills the cop is not actually Moriarty himself but a henchman posing as him? What if for the sequel, the character people think as Moriarty turns out to be a fake with the real master revealed during a climactic twist?

Also, I really liked what they did with Holmes' fight scenes where he carefully plans things out before executing them. Really adds an 'intelligent' aspect to a generic fighter. Hopefully, this will continue in subsequent films. And in the eventual fight with Moriarty (this is an action movie after all), Holmes plans it all out only for Moriarty to calmly and casually drop a completely unexpected hit midway through that catches Holmes completely off-guard. It'd be a nice bit of comedy that fits perfectly with the movie's humor while at the same time emphasizes Moriarty's equal/superior intellect.

 

[Lighthouse]

everyone talks about moriarty but after geting through the entire collection of SH I was shocked how little moriarty actually appears in SH.

True, but you'll also notice that there isn't really a mystery in the Final Problem. Holmes talks about how he's been trying to expose Moriarty for a long time but always falling a step behind. You could make a case that Moriarty planned some of the crimes in earlier Sherlock stories. The Granada series changed things up a little and had him as the one behind the Red Headed League, with John Clay as his agent.

As mentioned before, Doyle didn't take his Sherlock stories that seriously. The events of Moriarty showing up in the Valley of Fear completely contradict what happens in the Final Problem. Much can be open to interpretation.

 

[spider-neil]

True, but you'll also notice that there isn't really a mystery in the Final Problem. Holmes talks about how he's been trying to expose Moriarty for a long time but always falling a step behind. You could make a case that Moriarty planned some of the crimes in earlier Sherlock stories. The Granada series changed things up a little and had him as the one behind the Red Headed League, with John Clay as his agent.

As mentioned before, Doyle didn't take his Sherlock stories that seriously. The events of Moriarty showing up in the Valley of Fear completely contradict what happens in the Final Problem. Much can be open to interpretation.

the cat and mouse between holmes and moriaty is brilliant especially when he give him (moriarty) the slip at the train station. I just thought seeing as moriarty is SH's arch nemesis he be in every other story but he only appears in final problem and the empty house.

another thing that I thought about the movie is it could almost be cannon as there was nothing about it that contridicts anything I'd read in the books.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Funny, my friend who saw it with me, was actually tricked about the whole supernatrual thing. He actually was afraid that Holmes would take on Blackwood's methods and battle him... so it wasn't all for nothing.

And the dynamic between Holmes and Moriarty should be unpredictable and unforgettable. It's something they really, really need to focus on in the sequel. Getting that relationship correct and paying attention to it.

As much as I loved the deducing fighting methods, we could get them in the sequel, but they have to do something that doesn't make it seem repetetive. Perhaps Holmes thinks out his plan and Moriarty just sees it coming.

 

[Lighthouse]

another thing that I thought about the movie is it could almost be cannon as there was nothing about it that contridicts anything I'd read in the books.

The tone is quite different. Sherlock is much more snobish and fastidious than he is in the movie, but I found the tone shift very welcome and needed.

In fact the only real contradictions I found were very minor. They misprounounce Lestrade's name(but they do that in nearly every film adaptation), and the meeting between Sherlock and Watson's fiance. Technically, Sherlock should already be well aquainted with her because she was the client from Sign Of Four, where Watson met her and fell in love.

 

[spider-neil]

Funny, my friend who saw it with me, was actually tricked about the whole supernatrual thing. He actually was afraid that Holmes would take on Blackwood's methods and battle him... so it wasn't all for nothing.

And the dynamic between Holmes and Moriarty should be unpredictable and unforgettable. It's something they really, really need to focus on in the sequel. Getting that relationship correct and paying attention to it.

As much as I loved the deducing fighting methods, we could get them in the sequel, but they have to do something that doesn't make it seem repetetive. Perhaps Holmes thinks out his plan and Moriarty just sees it coming.

they did a good job at showing just how good holmes is at deduction, in the movie they show show that holmes is a genius at deduction to an almost superhuman level.
there is a classic moment in the SH where holmes tells watson what he (watson) is thinking, watson thinks holmes has just read his mind but holmes breaks down the path of watson's train of thought. truly brilliant narration from sir arthur conan doyle.

if they can show that level of deduction and also show that moriaty is equally as adapt them we may have a true classic