The Dark Knight Was Batman portrayed right in this movie?

[TheDarkKnight08]

TheDarkKnight08, I think you made your point buddy.

Whoops. Sorry my computer was acting weird.

 

[ChrisB]

If I say no...will this thread be locked a la BOF?

 

[The Shape]

"I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."

That about sums up how I feel about it.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

If I say no...will this thread be locked a la BOF?

No. It's your opinion. Even though many won't agree with you, it's still yours. Just keep as your opinion and not fact, and I think it'll be ok.

Plus, BOF... He's not what I'd call a real Bat-fan. Especially with that little V.O. on his news site.

 

[Majik1387]

I'm gonna go with yes, but Batman's lisping cookie monster voice has got to be fixed.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i felt batman was written as an after thought. like his character was the last thing they tackled in the story, and after putting monumental effort into everything else they just went on auto pilot with batman. im not saying it was terrible, but it wasnt great. it was just good enough.

 

[The Batman]

1. I'm glad he wasnt portrayed as the psychotic jerk we've seen in Batman comics from the late 90's-early 00's. One of the things I like about Bale's Batman is that he's actually portrayed as a dark, flawed, yet heroic figure. He's actually got complex sides to him, and its not about buzzwords like "Batman is the real identity" or "Bruce died with his parents", or crap like that.

2. Batman shows that he's intelligent in this movie, from his detective work to his modification of Fox's machine.

3. Fight scenes that show how efficient he is, like the Scarecrow scene, Lau's kidnapping, and the end where he takes out the SWAT members.

4. Bruce Wayne is actually character in this, both the playboy and the real bruce

Overall, I'd say yes...but the ultimate onscreen batman has yet to appear. Bale's main problem is his Batman voice, and he's got too much rage in his batman for me.

 

[ChrisB]

No. It's your opinion. Even though many won't agree with you, it's still yours. Just keep as your opinion and not fact, and I think it'll be ok.

Plus, BOF... He's not what I'd call a real Bat-fan. Especially with that little V.O. on his news site.

I agree. I'll give my serious answer now. I think he was portrayed better than in any other movie, but he was way too eager to give up and stop being Batman. He'd hadnt even been fighting crime for a year yet. And Bale's Bat-voice...wow. I dont mind it in some scenes, but in others, I cant believe Nolan allowed it into his film!

 

[MrQuinn]

1. I'm glad he wasnt portrayed as the psychotic jerk we've seen in Batman comics from the late 90's-early 00's. One of the things I like about Bale's Batman is that he's actually portrayed as a dark, flawed, yet heroic figure. He's actually got complex sides to him, and its not about buzzwords like "Batman is the real identity" or "Bruce died with his parents", or crap like that.

2. Batman shows that he's intelligent in this movie, from his detective work to his modification of Fox's machine.

3. Fight scenes that show how efficient he is, like the Scarecrow scene, Lau's kidnapping, and the end where he takes out the SWAT members.

4. Bruce Wayne is actually character in this, both the playboy and the real bruce

Overall, I'd say yes...but the ultimate onscreen batman has yet to appear. Bale's main problem is his Batman voice, and he's got too much rage in his batman for me.

I'll go ahead and agree with this man here.
He's got it right.
although I will defend the only two flaws he mentioned, though I will defend them weakly...

I feel he was really only "raged" extremely because;
A) He's still pretty new to the gimmick
and B) That's the Joker's gimmick, to enrage, because it amuses him. This is highlighted almost eccentrically in the interrogation room scene. And not in a bad way, the Joker was spot on in my opinion, in character.

as for his voice (the seemingly lisp part of it anyways), well Bale is a Welsh actor and you cant fully hold it against him if his american english sounds a little weird. I cut him slack there, as an actor.

 

[Caladbolg]

It all depends on what someone considers "right". I think hes right for the movie verse. Hes the face of new school batman, and I couldnt think up a better incarnation than Bale.

 

[The Batman]

I'll go ahead and agree with this man here.
He's got it right.
although I will defend the only two flaws he mentioned, though I will defend them weakly...

I feel he was really only "raged" extremely because;
A) He's still pretty new to the gimmick
and B) That's the Joker's gimmick, to enrage, because it amuses him. This is highlighted almost eccentrically in the interrogation room scene. And not in a bad way, the Joker was spot on in my opinion, in character.

as for his voice (the seemingly lisp part of it anyways), well Bale is a Welsh actor and you cant fully hold it against him if his american english sounds a little weird. I cut him slack there, as an actor.

I dunno...its alright overall, i guess. but his voice is just weird when hes having a normal talk with someone

 

[TheDarkVictory]

]I guess more of a Bruce that's in complete control. A guy that has his head on straight about being this masked vigilante. Someone no nonsense who rarely gets mentally fazed by his villains. In and out of the mask.

An uncompromising attitude that he'll probably be a vigilante for the rest of his life.[/B]

Thanks. Now that TDK is done and over with, I think Watchmen will carry the torch very nicely for the genre.

i see what you're saying, but at the same time, i think TDK is about him GETTING to that point. the end of the movie is him coming to that realization that he will be batman...forever (oh god i'm sorry). it was necessary for him to have doubts and be fazed and semi-out of control.

and watchmen looks good but i have my doubts because goddamn is zach snyder an awful director. the trailer really had me until we got his patented "the framerate MUST CHANGE EVERY FIVE SECONDS!" shots, like with the comedian flying out the window and nite owl kicking the guy....i just dont understand that effect. its obnoxious. other than that the film looks spot on...love rorschach.

 

[Crook]

i see what you're saying, but at the same time, i think TDK is about him GETTING to that point. the end of the movie is him coming to that realization that he will be batman...forever (oh god i'm sorry). it was necessary for him to have doubts and be fazed and semi-out of control.

Oh, I understand that. Even though you could argue this point was glossed over already with Rachel's final speech to Bruce in BB.

But I'm not faulting the franchise for that. Obviously, you can't fit everything into one movie, and for a series to work, the character has to constantly evolve. With that said, that is precisely why I don't think this is the definitive Batman yet. Matter of fact, I hope I will never say that statement, because then what would you have to look forward to? A downgrade? I'd hope not.

The sequels have more potential.

 

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real fans

Real fans..?

 

[Borat]

They had everything I've ever wanted in a live action Batman.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Bale was born to be BATMAN/Bruce Wayne. He is THE DARK KNIGHT nuff said .

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

For the most part, yes. But there could have been a lot more improvements. I wouldn't say this is the closest we'll ever get to the comic book incarnation of Bats. If it is, then I'm underwhelmed.

What was missing out, really? I mean apart from the fact he totally serves his purpose in a large story ... this movie wasn't a character study the way BEGINS was. And even so, all the main ingredients of what Batman is about where there. And him taking the wrap for Harvey Dent was BY FAR the most intelligent, heroic, and selfless act I've seen from the Batman character on screen.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

I guess more of a Bruce that's in complete control. A guy that has his head on straight about being this masked vigilante. Someone no nonsense who rarely gets mentally fazed by his villains. In and out of the mask.

Yeah ... but he was dealing with the Joker. The most compromising version of the character we've seen, that makes you face your moral dilemmas. And it's his first encounter with this force. He was supposed to be rattled to an extent, and emotional. That's what made the story interesting. Crime's dramatic response to the Batman legend, by creating a monster themselves.

 

[Crook]

Hence why I said "rarely" and not "never". Of course I don't mind Joker one-upping Batman. That's a universal narrative present in every medium they're put in.

But there is a line where I don't think Batman would cross, and that's to let Joker beat him out. Whether that be killing him, or giving in to his demands. I was not a fan of Bruce preparing to drop EVERYTHING he did up to this very point, from the years of training, to the dedication in continuing his parents' legacy... to try and stop Joker. If it wasn't for Dent saving Bruce's ass, Joker would have had an easy win right there.

 

[Godman]

not enough ninjitsu...

and this was not about Developing Batman, that was done in the first movie.

If u notice, Nolan puts the title at the end of his two movies meaning that the movies lead up to those titles.

At the end of Batman Begins, Batman had BEGUN

At the end of The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight was developed

Put two and two together and u have whatever the next movie is gonna be. No more character development for the people we got already. Gordan, Batman, Fox, Dent...done deal.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

But there is a line where I don't think Batman would cross, and that's to let Joker beat him out. Whether that be killing him, or giving in to his demands. I was not a fan of Bruce preparing to drop EVERYTHING he did up to this very point, from the years of training, to the dedication in continuing his parents' legacy... to try and stop Joker. If it wasn't for Dent saving Bruce's ass, Joker would have had an easy win right there.

When did Batman give in to Joker's demands? Joker was purely trying to prod Batman. Joker was putting him in the dilemma of showing him how hypocritical he is in this crusade as a masked vigilante. That made for great story telling and character drama. And it made complete sense for a real world - ish Batman character. Plus, that ultimately would've been totally heroic to hang up the mask in public and take responsibility in order to save lives cause people were dying left and right, important figures in Gotham at that. And he knew he could count on Harvey Dent to lock the criminals away in the future as the man who could take up a public mantle as the hero of Gotham. But it's Harvey's undying support in the image of what the Batman is that persuades Bruce to keep at it ... thus the scene where Harvey expected Batman to show up to "save his ass". Batman is when it's boiled down to it a selfless hero. And if turning himself in meant saving lives, he would. Good thing we didn't get your vision of Batman for this movie ... it would've worked against everything, and we wouldn't have been engrossed as we were as it pertained to Bruce Wayne's dilemma.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Real fans..?

Real fans, as in unbiased fans. People who love the chracter of Batman and that only see how Bale differed or stuck to him. Not people who love Keaton and Conroy and who only know how to compare and contrast them with Bale. People can like both, hate both, or like one or the other, but the real question I'm asking is how close Bale stuck to Batman, not how much he sucked compared to everyone else.

 

[Crook]

When did Batman give in to Joker's demands?

Were you watching the movie? Joker says every day that Batman doesn't reveal his true face, he'll kill someone. That's exactly what Bruce planned to do, until Dent stepped in and took hold of the situation.

Joker was putting him in the dilemma of showing him how hypocritical he is in this crusade as a masked vigilante.

What was this hypocrisy?

That made for great story telling and character drama. And it made complete sense for a real world - ish Batman character. Plus, that ultimately would've been totally heroic to hang up the mask in public and take responsibility in order to save lives cause people were dying. And he knew he could count on Harvey Dent to lock the criminals away.

Taking responsibility in order to save lives would be offing Joker. Period. There's just no other way about it. As we all know, just because it saves hundreds of lives, it flies directly in the face of Batman's philosophy so that'll never happen.

But it's Harvey's undying support in the image of what the Batman is that persuades Bruce to keep at it ... thus the scene where Harvey expected Batman to show up to "save his ass". Batman is when it's boiled down to it a selfless hero. And if turning himself in meant saving lives, he would.

It's stupid to believe that everything would just stop just because the demands were met. In this case, Bruce was the naive one, Rachel and Dent were the ones that had a clear head about the situation.

Also, that still doesn't address the glaring fact that Bruce was ready to give up his life-calling. Everything set up in BB let the audience know that Bruce needed Batman. Without it, he'd still be lost. How many years was he looking for a purpose? And he was willing to drop all of that because of one guy? Really?

 

[MysterioMenace]

The Begins suit was superior in everything but cowl. This suit was too Robocop for my taste. Thankfully it's mostly shot in the dark so you can't see that tech crap. Bale was superior in Begins as well. Batman’s character was superior in Begins. Period. He’s the focal point of that film. It naturally makes sense that he's better in Begins. In many ways I felt Batman was the worst part of Dark Knight. Not bad by any means, but comparatively he was the weak point, faults only accented by all the amazing performances around him. He just didn't compare. Bale was very forced sometimes to the point of almost making me laugh. Almost all my least favorite scenes included Batman.

And BTAS is the closest we've come to Batman from the comics. That is common sense.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Were you watching the movie? Joker says every day that Batman doesn't reveal his true face, he'll kill someone. That's exactly what Bruce planned to do, until Dent stepped in and took hold of the situation.


What was this hypocrisy?


Taking responsibility in order to save lives would be offing Joker. Period. There's just no other way about it. As we all know, just because it saves hundreds of lives, it flies directly in the face of Batman's philosophy so that'll never happen.


It's stupid to believe that everything would just stop just because the demands were met. In this case, Bruce was the naive one, Rachel and Dent were the ones that had a clear head about the situation.

Also, that still doesn't address the glaring fact that Bruce was ready to give up his life-calling. Everything set up in BB let the audience know that Bruce needed Batman. Without it, he'd still be lost. How many years was he looking for a purpose? And he was willing to drop all of that because of one guy? Really?

I think he was. I mean, his purpose was to save the people of Gotham above all else. If this meant he had to retire the identity, even for a short time, then so be it. It would've saved lives. Remember, he's been doing this for a year. He's still, I don't wanna say in training, but he's still learning from his mistakes, like he said in the beginning. The mistake he would make later on would be him wanting to abandon the persona. Yes, it was for the greater good, but he ended up learning from it. I know that maybe this movie kind of went down the Spider-Man 2 route, but I think it worked, because Batman has always been a conflicted character.