The Dark Knight Was Batman portrayed right in this movie?

[bullets]

The Begins suit was superior in everything but cowl. This suit was too Robocop for my taste. Thankfully it's mostly shot in the dark so you can't see that tech crap. Bale was superior in Begins as well. Batman’s character was superior in Begins. Period. He’s the focal point of that film. It naturally makes sense that he's better in Begins. In many ways I felt Batman was the worst part of Dark Knight. Not bad by any means, but comparatively he was the weak point, faults only accented by all the amazing performances around him. He just didn't compare. Bale was very forced sometimes to the point of almost making me laugh. Almost all my least favorite scenes included Batman.

And BTAS is the closest we've come to Batman from the comics. That is common sense.

I can see your point . I still liked Batman in tdk but he was overshadowed by other characters.

 

[Hole Shot]

Spoiler

yes

 

[CrypticOne]

I'm posting this because, IMO, Batman, as portrayed in this movie, was the closest we'll ever get to what we see in the comics. Some complain about the voice, some say the suit looked weird, and so on and so forth. To me, they only amplified what Batman is all about in the comics and only sets the standards for how many other superheroes in future films should be. Now, even though I loved him, I'm getting the feeling a lot of people hated the way he's being protrayed in the Nolan movies. Is it just me, or did real fans also enjoy Batman in The Dark Knight? Duscuss.

I feel Bale does a superb job as Bruce/Batman. I don't have any complaints.

 

[Ratatat]

I loved how they had Batman use his detective skills! That was sweet!

 

[magus]

I feel it was the most accurate so far, but depending on which interpretation of Batman you prefer the character can always be a "more accurate" depiction.

 

[DACrowe]

I think he was spot on. Yes, I don't care for the growly voice, but that is such a small thing I don't think it is worth mentioning.

Scenes that I think defined his and THE Batman on screen-

-Batman easily pwning Scarecrow and fighting that van at the beginning and then saying "I don't need your help!"

-Batman watching as the news of Gordon's "death" is delivered to his family.

-Batman after thinking Gordon is dead completely tearing apart the nightclub and beating the ever loving **** out of all those body guards and bouncers. Then his interrogation of Maroni involves a very long fall.

-Batman missing Joker on his motorcycle and choosing to crash and **** himself up instead.

-Batman's "interrogation" of Joker. That is such a great scene for both him and Joker and is arguably the best scsene in the movie.

-Batman giving Dent his coin in his sleep and apologizing (with unintended consequences).

-This scene to me WAS the fully fledged Batman of the comics. When Fox walks in on Batman in the computer room. This is the first time where Fox talks to Batman and not Bruce Wayne. Wayne isn't asking for help but Batman is telling Fox what to do and he is so cold and distant, he has become the dominant personality who has no qualms crossing lines that should not be crossed. And I think that combined with how unethical those machines are why Fox really wanted to retire and he is so cold in responding with just "put your name in when you're done." To me that is Batman in complete control of the situation and what he is doing and completely removed from normalcy and arguably reality.

-Batman at the end of the movie. He has to choose and ends up crossing his line to save Gordon's son and still blames himself for Dent's death. He chooses to take the fall for Dent's crimes because he believes in Harvey Dent (his image anyway) still. And he chooses to be Gotham's hero, no matter the cost. Then at the end with him running out that screamed Batman to me.

-And as a token I'd like to add Rachel's note. Batman isn't in the scene, but Rachel saying that Bruce will always be Batman and implying he psychologically needs it to keep him sane, as sane as he can be anyway...that sums him up in many ways.

Those scenes or moments are why I think with this movie Bale became the definitive screen Batman. Even if he growls a little bit.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yes, but it could've been better. He was great, no doubt, but he's still not quite Kevin Conroy.

 

[Borat]

I think he was spot on. Yes, I don't care for the growly voice, but that is such a small thing I don't think it is worth mentioning.

Scenes that I think defined his and THE Batman on screen-

-Batman easily pwning Scarecrow and fighting that van at the beginning and then saying "I don't need your help!"

-Batman watching as the news of Gordon's "death" is delivered to his family.

-Batman after thinking Gordon is dead completely tearing apart the nightclub and beating the ever loving **** out of all those body guards and bouncers. Then his interrogation of Maroni involves a very long fall.

-Batman missing Joker on his motorcycle and choosing to crash and **** himself up instead.

-Batman's "interrogation" of Joker. That is such a great scene for both him and Joker and is arguably the best scsene in the movie.

-Batman giving Dent his coin in his sleep and apologizing (with unintended consequences).

-This scene to me WAS the fully fledged Batman of the comics. When Fox walks in on Batman in the computer room. This is the first time where Fox talks to Batman and not Bruce Wayne. Wayne isn't asking for help but Batman is telling Fox what to do and he is so cold and distant, he has become the dominant personality who has no qualms crossing lines that should not be crossed. And I think that combined with how unethical those machines are why Fox really wanted to retire and he is so cold in responding with just "put your name in when you're done." To me that is Batman in complete control of the situation and what he is doing and completely removed from normalcy and arguably reality.

-Batman at the end of the movie. He has to choose and ends up crossing his line to save Gordon's son and still blames himself for Dent's death. He chooses to take the fall for Dent's crimes because he believes in Harvey Dent (his image anyway) still. And he chooses to be Gotham's hero, no matter the cost. Then at the end with him running out that screamed Batman to me.

-And as a token I'd like to add Rachel's note. Batman isn't in the scene, but Rachel saying that Bruce will always be Batman and implying he psychologically needs it to keep him sane, as sane as he can be anyway...that sums him up in many ways.

Those scenes or moments are why I think with this movie Bale became the definitive screen Batman. Even if he growls a little bit.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

That's exactly what Bruce planned to do, until Dent stepped in and took hold of the situation

Oh, I didn’t know “planning” was the same as “doing” … as Rachel says, Bruce let Harvey take the wrap … but really it was Bruce realizing, he can’t turn himself in because Batman is bigger than that.

Were you watching the movie? Joker says every day that Batman doesn't reveal his true face, he'll kill someone. That's exactly what Bruce planned to do, until Dent stepped in and took hold of the situation.

Because things were spiraling out of control, and Bruce felt as if the deaths inflicted by the Joker were directly related to him. It wasn't out of character at all. Plus, it also showed how big of a hero Harvey Dent was in taking the wrap for Batman, thus allowing him and instilling a belief in Bruce Wayne that Batman means more to the city (even though the chips were down) than to cater to the whims of a terrorist.

What was this hypocrisy?

Really didn't watch the movie now did we? Did you see the terrorist video first shown on the news channel before he kills the fake Batman? His speech? The hypocracy is Batman is a fascist criminal helping put people behind bars, and inspiring people in many way towards extreme reactions. The hypocrisy of the world he has now created in Gotham.

It's stupid to believe that everything would just stop just because the demands were met. In this case, Bruce was the naive one, Rachel and Dent were the ones that had a clear head about the situation.

It was stupid? It's called a story. I mean you're making it sound like you have legit beef with an apparent stupid character arc. I mean these actions were really important to the story, and you LIKED The Dark Knight?

Bruce wasn't naive, he was the one who had the clouded perception being he was Batman, and he felt he had blood on his hands. Did you not watch or understand the movie? When cops are dying left and right and protesting the Batman who they understood created this force of evil, the Joker ... why wouldn't Batman heavily consider hanging it up? Plus Alfred's original prediction that something along these lines would happen. These real world consequences to fictional characters made real is what made these two Nolan Batman movies so compelling. I can't believe you're bashing this story arc.

Willing to drop all that for one guy? Yes, one insane force of nature type of guy. He'd totally do that. In addittion, Batman wasn't supposed to be a lifetime deal in the Nolan universe. It was finite. His purpose was to clean up Gotham. By the start of The Dark Knight, he does that after he takes the accountant to the mob's "life savings" ... then this monster emerges from the cracks. So he was going to finish up anyway, and then he finds Harvey which further pushes him towards retirement ... and the straw that breaks the camel's back is Joker's threat to continue to kill more people after everyone he's slaughtered if the Batman doesn’t turn himself in.

The relationship between Bruce / Batman and Harvey Dent is strengthened in that Harvey believed in the Batman when everyone else wanted his head on a platter. He knew he meant more to the city than just trading him in to stop a terrorist. That belief in Batman gives him the strength to go on, thus making the Bruce / Harvey bond stronger, which makes the tragic fall of Harvey even worse for Bruce Wayne.

You're a Kevin Conroy / B:TAS head ... did you have a problem in Mask Of the Phantasm when Bruce was going to give up on the idea of Batman, before it even started I might add, to be with a girl ... but you have a problem with the heroic act (totally in character realms) of Bruce Wayne turning himself in to keep a mad man from destroying a city? When that was seemingly the only hope to stop him at the time?

You're out of your damn mind, bud. And this has nothing to do with opinion. I can't believe anyone with a brain and an appreciation for the rich story of The Dark Knight would be trying to tear this aspect of the story line down. Created for such high intensity drama between characters. You sound like a hater.

The Batman you're looking for is the one established at the end of the film. But you're issues were character elements that were neccessary for the dramatic emotional story that needed to take place in The Dark Knight.

With that said, that is precisely why I don't think this is the definitive Batman yet

And this is exactly why to me it is the definitive version of the Batman. He evolves, like a real person. They take him places, make him have internal problems that actually need to be solved that push the character. A glossy "definitive" version that doesn't face any challenges is totally lame.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

And BTAS is the closest we've come to Batman from the comics. That is common sense.

He was? The Batman from the best aspects of the source material is alot more volatile then anything in Batman The Animated Series. More complicated as well. BEGINS and TDK captured this dangerous Batman more than anything from the kiddified Animated Series. I mean, BTAS had 30 min every week for a few years to get it right, and in about 6 hours worth of film footage, he's captured at his purest form the best in the past two Batman movies.

 

[The Guard]

Other than him killing his former ally and taking the blame for someone else's evil, it came close. But the character of Bruce Wayne/Batman has potential that THE DARK KNIGHT didn't quite reach. Nolan chose to do his own thing with the character on again.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

Other than him killing his former ally and taking the blame for someone else's evil, it came close. But the character of Bruce Wayne/Batman has potential that THE DARK KNIGHT didn't quite reach. Nolan chose to do his own thing with the character on again.

And movies change things for the better sometimes as you've so stated. No difference here. Batman's struggle with should he be the hero he wants to be, or what Gotham needs is a totally intriguing intelligent philosophical question raised in the film. And Batman taking the blame so the image of Harvey could live on is totally within character, and one of the most heroic acts I've ever seen in one of these "superhero" films. And killing his ally was explained by Jonah Nolan as not Batman intentionally trying to kill his ally. It was accidental. Changes made for the better, that made for the most compelling story possible.

 

[DACrowe]

Other than him killing his former ally and taking the blame for someone else's evil, it came close. But the character of Bruce Wayne/Batman has potential that THE DARK KNIGHT didn't quite reach. Nolan chose to do his own thing with the character on again.

Is Nolan choosing to do his own thing over a straight adaptation necessarily bad, though?

 

[The Guard]

You all are priceless. I love how you think Batman's struggling to decide whether or not he should kill someone is deep or philosophical, or that it is played a such in the movie. The moments where he "struggles" are handled very abrubtly and resolved just as quickly. There's very little weight to them. They're action sequences, with very little in the way of dramatic effect.

Batman's "heroic act" at the end of THE DARK KNIGHT is one of the worst things he could do for Gotham.

Nolan not reaching Batman's potential is not something to shoot for.

And as for the killing...for YEARS I have watched fanboys ***** and ***** about how Batman should not kill.

This is hilarious.

 

[the GRIN Reaper]

Guard, you're just wrong. Plain and simple. Defend those **** Bat-films, but man let me throw daggers at easily the most complicated and well put together superhero film, let alone Batman film.

 

[DACrowe]

I try not to be one of those who constantly whines about what a film does differently if it is true to the spirit. And what is wrong with exploring moral boundaries not explored in a Batman movie before? It may be old to you the comic book reader, but for movie audiences no superhero movie has done this before. It raises questions about the nature of what is that line in stopping crime and is complex in its pulpy material as movies like The Untouchables, Heat and The Departed. I rather like that as opposed to a straight "Batman is not struggling he is the good guy and knows he is right at all times" perception some have of the character.

What is this full potential you are shooting for?

BTW Jonah Nolan said that Batman did not murder Two-Face but it was an accident. Does that mean he crossed his line further than he has in the comics (well since post-crisis)? Yes. Does that make it bad, no. It is just going into something the comics never explored.

 

[The Guard]

It's sad that movies that take this approach to "exploring" a concept are now considered deep.

"I won't kill"
"No, I will kill"
"No, I won't"
"No, I have to!"

AUDIENCE: "Wow, that was so densely layered and complex!"

I'm sorry...no comic book movie has explored moral boundaries before?

That's simply not true.

And I'm not whining. I knew full well that Nolan obviously doesn't have such a love for the Batman mythos that he feels the need to honor every element of it.

I just find it hilarious. The double standards fans are employing now to justify liking the fact that Batman kills in THE DARK KNIGHT.

Full potential?

Read a comic book.

Oh...it was an accident? Yeah, I mean, when I tackle someone off a ledge, I totally expect them to survive any falls that might occur.

 

[MasterOgami]

Batman's intention seemed to be to rescue James Jr., not kill Harvey. I do think that makes it an accidental death, something that -has- happened in the comics as recently as 2006 if I recall.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Batman's intention seemed to be to rescue James Jr., not kill Harvey. I do think that makes it an accidental death, something that -has- happened in the comics as recently as 2006 if I recall.

but it would have been just as easy for them to right a completely logical and entertaining ending where he doesnt kill harvey. him killing harvey was useless.

 

[MasterOgami]

but it would have been just as easy for them to right a completely logical and entertaining ending where he doesnt kill harvey. him killing harvey was useless.

I can go either way on that I think, but dying caps the tragedy of his fall from Hope of Gotham to Revenge-Killer. Besides, as far as I'm concerned anyway, Two-Face, while there have been a couple of decent stories involving him, isn't as interesting as Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face. Again, IMO.

 

[DSET]

Oh...it was an accident? Yeah, I mean, when I tackle someone off a ledge, I totally expect them to survive any falls that might occur.

I agree with most of youre gripes with the ending in this thread and most others

but one thing is for sure it is for the majority an accident
He is tackling him to stop him from shooting someone else.

in the book there was a cut scene, that explained that he didnt have time to to think but just react (dive out the window and save rachel) otherwise people(she) would be dead.I REALLy think they should have put this scene in the movie!

but yeah regardless of it being an accident or not he killed him, they should have thought of a better way for it to happen. Also we get he falls figuratively its corny to make him fall literally aswell LOL, but i guess this way more people in the audience get it.

 

[Nepenthes]

After reflecting on this movie i have to say that Bale's Batman was kind of disappointing. Bale is a great actor so it's a pity that his Batman is so boring and bland. He just reads his lines in a monotone with a frozen frown. and that's not even factoring in his voice.

 

[Rorschach II]

The biggest problem with this Batman is not his voice or his suit or his ride or anything else. It's the fact that he's not as driven and traumatized by his parents' death as he should be, and he's not as smart as he should be. Batman would never quit. Batman should never go the whole film without once mentioning his parents. And Batman would never, ever be dumb enough to think turning himself in would stop The Joker.

But other than that, pretty good.

 

[DACrowe]

It's sad that movies that take this approach to "exploring" a concept are now considered deep.

"I won't kill"
"No, I will kill"
"No, I won't"
"No, I have to!"

AUDIENCE: "Wow, that was so densely layered and complex!"

I'm sorry...no comic book movie has explored moral boundaries before?

That's simply not true.

And I'm not whining. I knew full well that Nolan obviously doesn't have such a love for the Batman mythos that he feels the need to honor every element of it.

I just find it hilarious. The double standards fans are employing now to justify liking the fact that Batman kills in THE DARK KNIGHT.

Full potential?

Read a comic book.

Oh...it was an accident? Yeah, I mean, when I tackle someone off a ledge, I totally expect them to survive any falls that might occur.

Okay. I'll just pull out my copies of The Killing Joke, The Man Who Laughs, Batman: Year One, Long Halloween and Dark Victory. Oh lookies, I see me some similarities!

Turning off my *****e mode now. I understand you scrutinize these movies because many fans do not, but why not turn it on the Burton movies? I know you defend them feverishly (as do I from time to time), but did those really reach the characters full potential? I mean if you are going to condemn one you cannot give leeway to the other.

And before you reverse it, yeah I see that Batman "killed" accidentally at least in TDK. The difference is it had thematic importance and depth with Batman actually mourning the decision. In B'89 and BR (supposedly inspired by the Killing Joke and Dark Knight Returns heavily) Batman kills without remorse and sometimes this leads to lazy writing (how did Penguin die again, exactly?).

But okay.

 

[Rorschach II]

Good thing Batman didn't kill though.