WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[Showtime]

I have to disagree a little with Bosef. I love reading others ideas and treatments and fully support anyone who attempts them. Whether they are good to me or not, creativity or the attempt of it should always be applauded.

I agree. I encourage creativity on all levels. I think it's refreshing.

The other 90% of what he's saying though I totally agree with.
It's amazingly tiring to come to the MOS forum to read about forward movement, or lack thereof, and have to wade through page upon page of the same ol arguments, most of which dont even belong in this forum. I understand peoples frustrations with SR, it's been two years of reading them. Bosef's got a point though...move on. Look towards the potential of the future not dwelling on the past, you might be a bit happier with the possibilities.

I dont always agree with the way this forum is run, I think staying on topic and not letting every thread devolve into the same thing a good idea but I do have to give kudos to Showtime. I think he's been incredibly patient, level headed and fair through all this.

I think the problem is both sides tend to dwell in the past, the "lovers" discussing everything they loved about the movie and the "haters" discussing everything they disliked about the film. I almost feel like as long as the discussions are civil, it is what messageboards are made for. I think it is tough to move on, and echoing what Hunter has said below, there is nothing really to move on too. I think the reason we see these threads all mirroring each other despite the original intent is because the news is so limited. I appreciate the kind words, I try my best along with C. Lee and the other Mods including Hunter Rider.

I think the problem is that whenever forward movement is mentioned it is either "Singer is coming back" or "reboot" and that brings out the pro and anti crowds, if the reboot is mentioned as the likely direction then the pro SR guys get upset over Singers vision not getting played out, if the news is "Singer is returning" then the anti crowd start worrying they are gonna get more of what they thought was a sub par Superman from a director they don't trust. I mean even if we get a concrete word on which direction it is going we will see thread with ppl angry and moaning about said direction.

The stance at WB from what I've heard, along with others in the industry including some webmasters, is that WB wants this sequel to happen with or without some of the creative team from Superman Returns.

 

[Slugster]

With that said...
I liked: 1.The plane scene
The flying and drama of it all was way cool!
2. The Superman gets his butt kicked had some real humility and looked painful.
3. The bullet to the eye scene.
4. Brandon he does have a good look for Superman.

Disliked: 1. The suit. Too muted colors, too small of an , no S on the cape, (Not that big a deal) the S on the belt, Ss all over the boots and suit, the cape looked uncomfortable to say the least.
2.the hair: It looks wrong part, curl, and length. Personally I like the hair parting on the other side it looks better to me and adds to the change from Kent to Superman.
3. Same old Luthor: diff. actor but still campy.
4.to many things looked like they were just a revamp of Superman the movie.
5.Lois: could have been more loisee She was more just another girlfriend than a Pulitzer Prize winner.
6.the Kid: NO KID! WHY? To show Superman’s fatherly side? To show his humanity? If anything it took away from Superman made him like Super guy
Plus more.
Anyone else?

 

[stargazer]

The movie was expected by WB top brass to make somewhere in the vicinity of SPIDER-MAN numbers. They wanted 6-700 million dollars worldwide. Given the film they greenlit and made (a decidedly more serious, adult, and risky version of Superman) their expectations were ridiculous.



They invested $200 million dollars, not counting their failed SUPERMAN LIVES stuff or the marketing costs. High expectations for a movie are one thing, if you create a film with extremely broad appeal. SUPERMAN RETURNS was not that kind of a movie. Neither was BATMAN BEGINS. Now, maybe WB SHOULD have made that kind of movie, but expecting MASSIVE returns on the movie they allowed to be made is, again, ridiculous.

I watch SUPERMAN RETURNS and see it as something of a niche film. The built in audience is obvious, but it didn't have a ton of appeal for children and younger teens, who make up a large portion of the SPIDER-MAN, FANTASTIC FOUR and IRON MAN audiences.

VERY WELL SAID.

i think ironman has a high possible to acheive on their rediculous expectation. if ironman can, why superman cant?

.

Please, read again. The Guard is clearly saying WHY exactly.

 

[stargazer]

Yes, well, weren't you one of the many posters who stated what the businessman behind Superman Returns felt about the movie, how Alan Horn was displeased, yadda yadda yadda, all these rumors many of you construed into meaning that Singer was gone. When things happened like the writers leaving: SINGER IS GONE! is all I heard.

Now, when Legendary Pictures represenative comes out and says, "we're making a sequel and Superman will be an angry God," you go, "Wait, how do you know that bosef? That makes no sense." Brandon Routh comes out and says things are moving. Singer comes out and says things are moving.

Or is it just that which is said in the media that you can distort into supporting an anti-SR agenda is truthful and to be taken and anything to the contrary well...why would we even consider that stuff?

Consistency: ever heard of it?

If you haven't, you should look it up. A few pages after in the H section you'll find "hypocrisy" too.

You should familiarize yourself.

Soo true.

 

[I Am The Knight]

wow, 1 and 1/2 year entirely for Valkyrie!!! that must be pretty good.
how long he spent for SR, 4 months shotting and 4 months post production??? ya, and doing the blog videos too. no wonder the quality is so below bar.

hehe... ya, too free in the office. how? t:

Valkyre started production on July 2007, so that makes it more like 10 months, actually Unless you are talking about pre production (wich I doubt you are, interpret that as you will) in wich case they started working on the story in late 2006. But the film has had some delays in production.

SR started pre production in late 2004. Of course shooting takes only a couple of months...

 

[stargazer]

Singers Version Of Superman is not what the public is buying.
A select few people maybe, but not the vast majority.
I hope the WB sees and listens, but who knows?
A lot of corp. people tend to be so big headed and book smart, that they have no common sense. Oh and just plain want no body telling them what to do.
When they should be listening to the people who are buying the product.
Its not like they invented Superman.

A few selected?! Totally disagree. Dude, then how come the film made nearly $400 mil WW, had good reviews, great rentals ($60 mil when it first came out) and very good dvd sales? By coincidence?! Explain that to me. Clearly the film was popular enough to want to make a sequel, and with more action and superfights, Mark my words: SR2 will do better at the BO. No doubt. Yes, I think Singer will deliver. So, some fans didn't like the film that much/or hated it, ok, but the 'fans' are a minority, they don't make or brake a film of this magnitude.

 

[Super Kal]

and if they wanted a sequel, don't you think one would be being made by now?

 

[green]

I think the problem is that whenever forward movement is mentioned it is either "Singer is coming back" or "reboot" and that brings out the pro and anti crowds, if the reboot is mentioned as the likely direction then the pro SR guys get upset over Singers vision not getting played out, if the news is "Singer is returning" then the anti crowd start worrying they are gonna get more of what they thought was a sub par Superman from a director they don't trust.
I mean even if we get a concrete word on which direction it is going we will see thread with ppl angry and moaning about said direction.

So either way this is just going to continue?

 

[I Am The Knight]

and if they wanted a sequel, don't you think one would be being made by now?

Apparently one is in the very early process of being made. We'll see. And again, how many times do I have to repeat this? Singer doing Valkyrie before MOS *obviously* will delay production on the sequel.

 

[I Am The Knight]

VERY WELL SAID.




Please, read again. The Guard is clearly saying WHY exactly.

Oh, don't ask him to read. He'll just respond incomprehensible nonsense until you tell him what he wants to hear: "Ur RiGhtZ sR Iz Teh Suxx"

 

[stargazer]

Yes, but my guess is that WB thought that SR would make the same impact on DVD as Batman Begins did. Clearly that wasn't the case, since word of mouth didn't help this film by any means.
Also, that short after the SR debacle, Singer still had a good reputation in Hollywood. I'm not so sure that making an uneccesary nazi film, starring Tom Cruise, is helping him now. "Valkyrie" sounds, looks and feels like a "bomb". I honestly don't see Singer doing any big projects for a long time if that becomes true. I my view, he's now heading the same way of M. Night Shyamalan ...

OK, do you have proof of that? Please I need to see links, otherwise it is just your 'guess.' I've been trying to find links that show how much BB sold on dvd, but I haven't been able to find it. But I do have some of the links that show an estimate of how much SR sold on dvd, and it sold very well. It wasn't Pirates numbers, but it was very good nonetheless. And the Superman Ultimate Collection was sold out as well, which included SR. I bought it mainly because of that.

As I recall, the SUPERMAN RETURNS DVD sales were what made WB believe a sequel could be profitable.

Superman Returns DVD Selling Faster than a Speeding Bullet

Warner Brothers home video "Superman Returns", took over the # 1 spot on national DVD sales and rental charts

^^Yes.

 

[stargazer]

^^I know...

 

[Hunter Rider]

So either way this is just going to continue?

I imagine so, Whichever way WB jumps the extreme polarization of the fanbase will lead to threads going in this direction.

 

[Slugster]

Domestic first week estimate totals

Ironman's $126,634,395 | cost: 140 million | marketing 75 million
Batman Begins $$94,922,424 | cost 150 million | marketing 100 million
Superman Returns: 119,827,424 | cost: 270 million | marketing 100 million

Domestic Two week estimate totals

Ironman's $185,033,014 by tuesday. still need Wed & Thurs' totals to complete its 2 week total
Batman Begins $135,460,937
Superman Returns: $152,027,786

It took superman 5 weeks to get to 188 millions
it took Batman Begins 5 to get to 186 million

Batman Begins 20 week total was $205,343,774
Supeman Returns 18 week total was $200,081,192 (movie showings were stopped at 18 weeks. it wasn't making anything by then)

going by a 50 - 60% average drop Iron man will make an extra 20 to 25 million by this weekend plus its wednesday and thursday gross which i put those 2 days total at about 7million

Iron man by monday will possibly have made around $212 million - 217 million by end of week 3 around 223 domestic gross

Batman's total foreign gross was: $166,510,009
Superman's total foreign gross was : 191,000,000
Iron Man's total foreign gross to date: $165,105,740

Iron Man a "B" level character from Marvel is demolishing DC's franchises

We have some more foreign box office numbers that put
Iron Man up to 342.8 Million Worldwide.

It needs another 30 Million to surpass Batman Begins
and another 50 Million to surpass Superman Returns.

I think I am lost, how would Iron Man need 50 more million to surpass Superman Returns? You have to take also into account that it cost way more to make Superman Returns.

this I pulled off another site.

 

[Showtime]

As of February 2007 Superman Returns grossed $53,790,000 in DVD rentals.

DVD Sales are listed at $82,262,712 in the U.S.

Merchandising Revenue was more than $60 Million.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Not bad for being on DVD for 2 months. I would love to see the DVD sales though.

 

[Dark Knight]

Ithat WB wants this sequel to happen with or without some of the creative team from Superman Returns.

This IS the correct approach IMO Show. Doing a complete reboot within two years would be idiotic IMO. I think WB missed there chance to do a reboot when SR was made.....now they MUST correct the mistakes of SR and make a SEQUEL that will be a visual epic actioner that will be a completely different tone and look then SR. New writers are being brought in to execute the plan and if WB's think Singer can't deliver the visual and action goods....then I suspect a new director will be brought in to get it done. Reboots IMO should be occuring maybe every ten to 20 years if necessary.....not every 3 years?? Ridiculous.....

From what I'm hearing TIH is supposed to be a reboot and not a sequel to Lees' Hulk....and I think that will end up being a costly move for Universal and Marvel.

 

[Dark Knight]

Domestic first week estimate totals

Ironman's $126,634,395 | cost: 140 million | marketing 75 million
Batman Begins $$94,922,424 | cost 150 million | marketing 100 million
Superman Returns: 119,827,424 | cost: 270 million | marketing 100 million

Domestic Two week estimate totals

Ironman's $185,033,014 by tuesday. still need Wed & Thurs' totals to complete its 2 week total
Batman Begins $135,460,937
Superman Returns: $152,027,786

It took superman 5 weeks to get to 188 millions
it took Batman Begins 5 to get to 186 million

Batman Begins 20 week total was $205,343,774
Supeman Returns 18 week total was $200,081,192 (movie showings were stopped at 18 weeks. it wasn't making anything by then)

going by a 50 - 60% average drop Iron man will make an extra 20 to 25 million by this weekend plus its wednesday and thursday gross which i put those 2 days total at about 7million

Iron man by monday will possibly have made around $212 million - 217 million by end of week 3 around 223 domestic gross

Batman's total foreign gross was: $166,510,009
Superman's total foreign gross was : 191,000,000
Iron Man's total foreign gross to date: $165,105,740

Iron Man a "B" level character from Marvel is demolishing DC's franchises

We have some more foreign box office numbers that put
Iron Man up to 342.8 Million Worldwide.

It needs another 30 Million to surpass Batman Begins
and another 50 Million to surpass Superman Returns.

I think I am lost, how would Iron Man need 50 more million to surpass Superman Returns? You have to take also into account that it cost way more to make Superman Returns.

this I pulled off another site.

Hey...Marvel actually found a winner for once.....props to them.....1 good Marvel movie out of 5 crappy ones? Bound to hit sometime.....

 

[Showtime]

Not bad for being on DVD for 2 months. I would love to see the DVD sales though.

See above.

 

[Showtime]

Domestic first week estimate totals

Ironman's $126,634,395 | cost: 140 million | marketing 75 million
Batman Begins $$94,922,424 | cost 150 million | marketing 100 million
Superman Returns: 119,827,424 | cost: 270 million | marketing 100 million

Domestic Two week estimate totals

Ironman's $185,033,014 by tuesday. still need Wed & Thurs' totals to complete its 2 week total
Batman Begins $135,460,937
Superman Returns: $152,027,786

It took superman 5 weeks to get to 188 millions
it took Batman Begins 5 to get to 186 million

Batman Begins 20 week total was $205,343,774
Supeman Returns 18 week total was $200,081,192 (movie showings were stopped at 18 weeks. it wasn't making anything by then)

going by a 50 - 60% average drop Iron man will make an extra 20 to 25 million by this weekend plus its wednesday and thursday gross which i put those 2 days total at about 7million

Iron man by monday will possibly have made around $212 million - 217 million by end of week 3 around 223 domestic gross

Batman's total foreign gross was: $166,510,009
Superman's total foreign gross was : 191,000,000
Iron Man's total foreign gross to date: $165,105,740

Iron Man a "B" level character from Marvel is demolishing DC's franchises

We have some more foreign box office numbers that put
Iron Man up to 342.8 Million Worldwide.

It needs another 30 Million to surpass Batman Begins
and another 50 Million to surpass Superman Returns.

I think I am lost, how would Iron Man need 50 more million to surpass Superman Returns? You have to take also into account that it cost way more to make Superman Returns.

this I pulled off another site.

The budget for Superman Returns was not 270 Million, I am not sure why this keeps coming up. It was between 204 Million - 209 Million.

 

[nintendo nerd]

See above.

So how profitable was SR for WB?

 

[Showtime]

This IS the correct approach IMO Show. Doing a complete reboot within two years would be idiotic IMO. I think WB missed there chance to do a reboot when SR was made.....now they MUST correct the mistakes of SR and make a SEQUEL that will be a visual epic actioner that will be a completely different tone and look then SR. New writers are being brought in to execute the plan and if WB's think Singer can't deliver the visual and action goods....then I suspect a new director will be brought in to get it done. Reboots IMO should be occuring maybe every ten to 20 years if necessary.....not every 3 years?? Ridiculous.....

From what I'm hearing TIH is supposed to be a reboot and not a sequel to Lees' Hulk....and I think that will end up being a costly move for Universal and Marvel.

MOS will be a different looking sequel and yes The Incredible Hulk is not a sequel.

 

[mego joe]

and if they wanted a sequel, don't you think one would be being made by now?

One would think.

 

[Showtime]

So how profitable was SR for WB?

That I don't know but in the end it was profitable.

 

[nintendo nerd]

MOS will be a different looking sequel and yes The Incredible Hulk is not a sequel.

ANY NEWS IN REGARDS OF WHO THE WRITERS BE?