WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

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Has anyone read one of the submitted scripts? Every single leaked or spec Superman script I have ever read has as many problems or more than SUPERMAN RETURNS. Could there be a few that are good? Sure, but it seems odd to just assume that.



It would be good to see a script review of some of these Superman story treatments that were pitched. I said this many months ago, that WB's should allow a couple of sites to review maybe two of the best script treatments they may have received and see how the fan reaction is to those treatments and then move forward from there.

It wouldn't hurt....
 
It would be good to see a script review of some of these Superman story treatments that were pitched. I said this many months ago, that WB's should allow a couple of sites to review maybe two of the best script treatments they may have received and see how the fan reaction is to those treatments and then move forward from there.

It wouldn't hurt....
what if they want to use those scripts in the future?
 
It would be good to see a script review of some of these Superman story treatments that were pitched. I said this many months ago, that WB's should allow a couple of sites to review maybe two of the best script treatments they may have received and see how the fan reaction is to those treatments and then move forward from there.

It wouldn't hurt....

that's an excellent idea. so... shoot a mail to WB!
 
I thought superman returns was a good movie. I loved the kid angle. But where can you take that? Theres so many issues that need dealing with if they followed the foot steps of it. Like getting rid of richard. (kill him off and its chiche, make him into a bad guy and its cliche. Forget he existed-a cop out. Keep them together-when really its lois and clark.
The kid kill him?-can you do that in a 12 rated film.
make him bad? luther again....yawn
Its not that i don't like the film but by the time you have ironed things out. You just won't have time to have new baddies. Nah they have dug ahole for them selfs.
 
^Well, I don't think you need to worry because it looks unlikely they're going to be making a sequel. Whenever we get the next movie it'll probably be a reboot.
 
^Well, I don't think you need to worry because it looks unlikely they're going to be making a sequel. Whenever we get the next movie it'll probably be a reboot.

Agreed. But with WB having to rush the film proably be an epic failure.
 
It doesnt have to start production till 2011. "IF" they would get off their collective rear ends now it wouldnt be rushed.
It also doesnt say it has to start by jan of 2011 either, just in 2011 sometime.
 
^Well, I don't think you need to worry because it looks unlikely they're going to be making a sequel. Whenever we get the next movie it'll probably be a reboot.

Yeah, and I also don't buy the theory that they'll choose Routh over a new actor. It's apparent they have no confidence in SR, and Routh is a part of that. For one thing, that would cause mass confusion for the average viewers. They'd believe it was a sequel, no matter how many ways the marketing would try to distance the new film from the Singer/Donnerverse. They need to sever all ties to the previous films, and I believe they will.
 
I agree. While I personally wouldnt mind if he did come back, I kinda think it would hurt the reboot if he did.....A Fresh start is what it needs to have the best chance possible of succeeding. I dont want it to just break even or be slightly above even, I want it to be a smash.
 
I agree. While I personally wouldnt mind if he did come back, I kinda think it would hurt the reboot if he did.....A Fresh start is what it needs to have the best chance possible of succeeding. I dont want it to just break even or be slightly above even, I want it to be a smash.


Agreed. I think they should do the Superman reboot like Batman 89/Begins. Have Clark Kent already be Superman in his first year crime fighting like Batman in Batman in Batman 89 but also have flashbacks to when Clark was on his home planet then when he was a teenager. That make a smash movie.
 
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Agreed. I think they should do the Superman reboot like Batman 89/Begins. Have Clark Kent already be Superman in his first year crime fighting like Batman in Batman in Batman 89 but also have flashbacks to when Clark was on his home planet then when he was a teenager. That make a smash movie.
I'm glad you agree but what do you mean by flashbacks of clark being on his home planet? His home planet is Krypton, his adoptive planet is Earth. Do you mean flashbacks of when he was a teenager in Smallville? Thats what I think you meant anyway.
 
I'm glad you agree but what do you mean by flashbacks of clark being on his home planet? His home planet is Krypton, his adoptive planet is Earth. Do you mean flashbacks of when he was a teenager in Smallville? Thats what I think you meant anyway.

Listen you know how in Begins their was flashbacks of Bruce as a kid then when he was a bit younger as an adult then present when he was back in Gotham and becoming Batman? Well i said have flashbacks of Clark on kyrptone then have flashbacks of him as a teenager in Smallville. Then present day when he is Superman and living in Metropolis working at the dailey planet. Thats what i meant.
 
Thanks To Our Very Own Double Down For Pointing This Out:

DC Comics storms the film world

'Flash,' 'Green Lantern' among adaptations in works

By Borys Kit
July 19, 2009, 08:30 PM ET

In the comics universe, where characters are endlessly reborn and reoutfitted, a motto from the 1980s -- "DC Comics is on the move" -- could just as well apply to the current, hyperactive state of the publisher as it relates to Hollywood.

A year after "The Dark Knight" became a worldwide phenomenon, there are more DC Comics adaptations in the works than at any other point since the company was acquired by Warner Bros. in 1969.

Among the projects on front burners:

-- "The Losers," an action-adventure drama starring Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Zoe Saldana and Chris Evans, begins principal photography this week in Puerto Rico.

-- "Jonah Hex," a supernatural Western starring Josh Brolin, Megan Fox and John Malkovich, recently wrapped production in Louisiana.

-- "The Green Lantern," Warners' next big superhero tentpole, is set to star Ryan Reynolds after a long search.

-- Fox has picked up the TV series "Human Target," starring Mark Valley, for the fall.

-- And, in a rare example of a film project that has ventured off the Warners reservation, DC has set up "Red," a spy thriller to star Bruce Willis, at Summit.

"One of the things that has differentiated us for most of the last 20 years is the depth of our library and the depth of the creative material that we've put out and the opportunities that creates for other media," DC Comics president Paul Levitz said.

Still, when "Dark Knight" invaded theaters last summer, critics of DC and Warners complained there didn't appear to be a grand strategy in place to exploit DC properties.

In contrast, DC arch-rival Marvel moved quickly in the wake of its successful "Iron Man" to stake out a series of release dates for a slew of movies, branding them as part of one big Marvel universe leading to "The Avengers," which arrives in 2012.

But DC and Warners have taken a different approach, arguing that DC has a wider breadth of books than other comics companies. They insist their situation isn't comparable to Marvel, which already has licensed out to other studios a number of its biggest titles: Spider-Man is housed at Sony, and X-Men and Fantastic Four are at Fox.

With fewer marquee superheroes, Marvel works like an animation studio: It only develops select projects and makes most of what it develops, while DC is managing a much larger portfolio.

Still, in the wake of "Dark Knight," DC and Warners have made strategic moves in the superhero realm, including centralizing the way DC's titles and characters are developed. In the past, Warners optioned a property, paying DC a fee comparable to what a property could command on the open market. But while the projects ostensibly were being developed under one roof, many were spread out over a host of producers, each with different visions for how to approach each adaptation.

To bring competing approaches into sync, Levitz and DC's Los Angeles-based film exec Gregory Noveck have overseen a reorganization of the development slate. While Warners execs still drive the creative side, DC now has more input, making it an actual participant in the shaping of material.

"The creative process is by and large a true partnership," Noveck said. "They'll ask us a ton of questions, and we'll give a ton of answers. We will talk back and forth. We'll discuss writers and talent, but ultimately it's their decision."

This past fall, Warners quietly hired three of DC's biggest writers -- Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison and Marv Wolfman -- to act as consultants and writers for its superhero line of movies. The move involved taking back the reins on projects being handled by such producers as Charles Roven ("The Flash") and Akiva Goldsman ("Teen Titans").

Some agents and scribes grumbled about being forced to work with the consultants, never mind that Johns started his career as a assistant to "Superman" director Richard Donner or that Wolfman has worked in animation since the 1980s.

The moves have begun to pay off. Johns worked up a new treatment for a "Flash" script, being written by Dan Mazeau; Johns will act in a producer capacity on the project, which has not attached a director.

The projects Morrison and Wolfman are working on are in the early stages at Warners, whose execs declined to comment.

The process involves one writer taking point, though the trio do collaborate on projects, reading one another's materials while hashing out a story that will be at once accessible to nonfans yet still adhere to each character's long history. The writers also work in tandem with producers, writers and the Warners execs overseeing the projects, showing them treatments and providing notes on scripts.

Meanwhile, other superhero projects are moving forward at Warners.

The studio is taking pitches on sci-fi hero Adam Strange and the underwater-breathing hero "Aquaman," to be produced by Leonardo DiCaprio and his Appian Way shingle.

Also in the pipeline: "Bizarro Superman" being written by "Galaxy Quest" scribes David Howard and Robert Gordon; a sequel to "Constantine," with Goldsman and Erwin Stoff producing; two concurrent Green Arrow projects, an origin story and a prison-set one titled "Super Max"; and "Shazam," which was set up at New Line but has moved to Warners, with Pete Segal attached to direct.

Unsung in the lineup is Warners' line of straight-to-DVD animated movies released via Warner Premiere. "Green Lantern: First Flight," the latest entry, will premiere at this week's Comic-Con and has a July 28 street date.

These movies, produced on budgets in the $3.5 million range, apparently overperformed their targets. "First Flight" is the fifth straight-to-DVD title, with "Superman/Batman: Public Enemies" in production for a Sept. 29 release.

In the home entertainmentarena, DC has overshadowed Marvel, with 2007's "Superman-Doomsday" generating $9.4 million in revenue and last year's "Batman: Gotham Knight," taking advantage of the tidal wave of support for the Christopher Nolan movie, generating $8 million, according to tracking site The-Numbers.com. "Wonder Woman," released in March, already has chalked up $4.4 million. Marvel's top seller, "Ultimate Avengers 2," has pulled in $7.7 million.

Not that all the stars in the DC firmament are aligned yet.

Warners and DC still haven't figured out how to translate "Wonder Woman" to the big screen. In part, that failure reflects the difficulties DC has had turning out a popular Wonder Women comic. Morrison, during a recent Q&A with Clive Barker at Los Angeles' Meltdown Comics, admitted he didn't have a complete handle on the character when he was writing the comic "Final Crisis."

Also, ever since Bryan Singer's 2006's "Superman Returns," a new Superman has been in limbo.

"Our hope is to develop a Superman property and to try again," Warner Bros. Entertainment president Alan Horn said in April. "What hurt us is that the reviews and so on for the Superman movie did not get the kind of critical acclaim that Batman got, and we have other issues with Superman that concern us."

On the Batman front, a sequel to "Dark Knight" also is quite a way off. Nolan is open to doing a third installment, but his next movie is "Inception," an original script he penned and is shooting for Warners.

All that has put a damper on any movie about the Justice League, whose roster includes the above-mentioned heroes as well as myriad others including Aquaman and the Martian Manhunter. DC would like to present some of the main heroes in their own movies before they are brought together for one big outing, so "League" currently is inactive.

On top of that, there could be another change in how Warners approaches the DC characters, with studio chiefs debating whether to put the operation under one super-exec.

To bring the next generation of superheroes to the screen, DC and Warners might yet have to unleash their own super powers.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i7c23ccda60974aa212e4b64a53d2e876
 
Interesting...

Can't believe they actually have Bizarro Superman listed. I don't see how that could possibly ever get made. Now as an animated DTV it definitely has potential.

Look forward to seeing what other (if any) news comes out of SDCC regarding their properties.
 
I also thought it was interesting that they mentioned Bizarro. I think we all know what the "other issues with Superman that concern us..." are.
 
So everything is good except for the Big 3. There are things about the article that seem off. First of all, WB excuse for not getting their properties off the ground seems....lame. And although the writing strategy seems like a good idea, it feels like too many cooks in the kitchen. Admittedly, I know very little about screenwriting, so maybe it'll work fine.
 
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I don't know about too many cooks in the kitchen. If anything they are actually concentrating control in a handful of people, from the sound of it. They have the 3 DC writers who basically oversee everything and keep the films true to the source (and possibly in sync with each other?), with the possibility of a "super-producer" to spearhead it all. As, the article says, the way it is now, each movie as a completely independent team with drastically different visions, working on properties that should be able to match up together. I actually think this is what they should have done a long time ago. I can see your argument in that each picture may have more "bureaucracy" to get through, but I think this will be a good thing overall.
 
I think this is a good idea. It sounds like there's already work being done on stuff, they just haven't been announced. I trust Johns, Morrison and WOlfman. They actually might be all needed to do Superman right. Three different approaches worked into a sort of unified version of the character.

It's funny how even in this article it says about the reviews of SR: "the reviews and so on for the Superman movie did not get the kind of critical acclaim that Batman got." I suppose he's referring to Batman Begins. I guess the true critical reception of SR wasn't as great as that 76% on RottenTomatoes.
 
So I guess if Green Lantern makes 203 million dollars and doesn't set the world on fire with it's reviews then it'll sit in limbo as well? Geez Louise, WB.


I'll pull a Showtime and stroke my chin, "interesting."
 
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So I guess if Green Lantern makes 203 million dollars and doesn't set the world on fire with it's reviews then it'll sit in limbo as well? Geez Louise, WB.


I'll pull a Showtime and stroke my chin, "interesting."

I'm going to guess that the 'and so on' part of that quote is important. Maybe it refers to the polarization of the fan base and the general audience's lack of attachment to the film- data not seen in reviews or the 76% on RT, and the growing disdain for the film over time and that the reboot talk gained favor with a number of fans and professionals like Morrison and Waid etc... spoke out against SR.
 
I just had a very disturbing thought. :dry:


Could this Bizarro Superman film be WB/DC's attempt to put out a Superman film into development by 2011 to save the Superman rights... :dry:
 
I had similar thoughts. First that came to mind was "How much of Bizarro Superman originated in Action Comics #1?"
 
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