WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[Showtime]

Flash and Green Lantern both should easily top 200+ Mil. Ryan Reynold's Hal Jordan is going to become a blockbuster film icon. Flash is such a visually stimulating character that he will kill with the right director.

Aquaman will be harder, but if Leo does it (what better way to ensure your films success?) it will make bank as well.

Nothing is a sure thing in Hollywood, Superman barely squeaked over 200 million, Hugh Jackman could only help Wolverine to under 180 Million, and Batman Begins made just barely over 200 Million. The 200 Million mark is not as easy to get to. From the looks of it there will only be 4 films that cross that mark this year unless I am missing one. Last year there were 6. Compare that to 2007 where 11 films surpassed that mark. Is it the economy? Is it the number of tentpoles being churned out? Not sure.

 

[Retroman]

sometimes we say '' hey i need to watch it for myself''.

no and no. dont watch this movie. its that simple.

I'm a big boy, i can handle it...i think.

I mean i sat through this and lived to tell the tale.

Franchise, franchise, potential franchise, continuation of the Lord of the Rings franchise (and don't think that they aren't going to try and get the rights to Children of Hurin).

Warner Bros. is a film company with many franchises that go beyond just DC Comics. They have the Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, the film rights to Sex and the City, Final Destination, Rush Hour, Mortal Kombat, the Suffering, Happy Feet, Mad Max, Warcraft, the Adventures of Pluto Nash, Juwanna Man, etc.

lol @ Pluto Nash and Juwanna Man.t:

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Jonah hex could be big, that isif people haven't gotten sick of Megan fox by the time it comes out.

 

[El Payaso]

Jonah hex could be big, that isif people haven't gotten sick of Megan fox by the time it comes out.

Too late.

 

[dark_b]

I'm a big boy, i can handle it...i think.

I mean i sat through this and lived to tell the tale.

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you have no idea how bad this movie is.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I'm sure alot off ppl wrote off Iron man also, since he is more a side hero to the front runenrs at marvel & look what happened there. A great comic book movie doesn't come from what Hero is the better hero, or what hero has the most fans, it comes down to quality of script, director & actor & I think GL has that & can be great.





Steve

Wolverine movie sucked so yes they can do better and make more money.

 

[Fresh Prince]

you have no idea how bad this movie is.

And people say she can act.

 

[DavidTyler]

And people say she can act.

She can act.... it's all about what kind of performance the director wants to bring out....

Honestly, after seeing this movie once did you at all feel the director had any kind of clue as to what would make a good Catwoman film?

Don't lay so much blame on Haley. As a matter of fact, she already apologized to fandom for how crappy the movie was.

 

[StorminNorman]

IMO you are overstimating the potential of these franchises. I think that WW could be a great hit, but I doubt that GL and Flash can do better than Wolverine.

Wolverine could have been a very successful movie if it was good, well advertised and wasn't the fourth X Men film following a not-so-well received third one. Trying to compare a new GL movie (featuring a visual hook - the power ring - not seen before) or Flash (another visual hook - super speed - never fully, IMO at least, realized on screen) to that movie is inherently flawed.

Look at Iron Man. Iron Man was less known than either GL, Flash or WW before the movie came out. 300 Million dollars later...

Nothing is a sure thing in Hollywood, Superman barely squeaked over 200 million, Hugh Jackman could only help Wolverine to under 180 Million, and Batman Begins made just barely over 200 Million. The 200 Million mark is not as easy to get to. From the looks of it there will only be 4 films that cross that mark this year unless I am missing one. Last year there were 6. Compare that to 2007 where 11 films surpassed that mark. Is it the economy? Is it the number of tentpoles being churned out? Not sure.

I am not talking about sure things, it's very easy for films to fail to reach their potential. That being said, I think WB has earned the trust of fans in their dedication to creating a quality product. Every DC film, post Catwoman, has been either above average (Constantine) to Oscar caliber (The Dark Knight).

Superman barely squeaked over 200 Mil because it did not charm the average summer blockbuster fan that wanted more action and less Christ imagery. Batman Begins just made over 200 Mil because it was fighting the image Batman and Robin left in peoples minds (it had to not only sell itself, but force people to forget).

The reason 2009 has been so underwhelming has little to do with the economy or the difficulty in getting a movie over the 200 Mil mark and everything to do with quality of film. Terminator underwhelmed, Wolverine was terrible - also this is the summer that was crippled by the writers strike.

Summer 2009 was just a bad summer. That does not change the fact that a well written Flash movie, or Green Lantern movie can easily surpass the 200 Mil dollar mark. The best example is Iron Man - a character no one cared about until trailers started popping up.

 

[Fresh Prince]

She can act.... it's all about what kind of performance the director wants to bring out....

Honestly, after seeing this movie once did you at all feel the director had any kind of clue as to what would make a good Catwoman film?

Don't lay so much blame on Haley. As a matter of fact, she already apologized to fandom for how crappy the movie was.

Well I guess also Die Another Day, X-Men movies did not do her right either huh? Do not make any accuses for her she cannot act.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Nothing is a sure thing in Hollywood, Superman barely squeaked over 200 million, Hugh Jackman could only help Wolverine to under 180 Million, and Batman Begins made just barely over 200 Million. The 200 Million mark is not as easy to get to. From the looks of it there will only be 4 films that cross that mark this year unless I am missing one. Last year there were 6. Compare that to 2007 where 11 films surpassed that mark. Is it the economy? Is it the number of tentpoles being churned out? Not sure.

You are right Showtime. Nothing is a sure thing in Hollywood. For example I wonder what are the expectations of the WB about Batman 3. What would happen if the movie wasn't able to reply the success of TDK at the box office?
Will they be still pleased? Will they continue to invest on their sh franchises?

 

[BestGirl]

^I sure hope WB isn't expecting BB3 to make $1 billion + at the BO. That would be nearly impossible to do. If I were them, I'd be satisfied with BB3 making 2-2.5 times its budget, or whatever the number a film has to reach before it's considered profitable.

 

[StorminNorman]

You are right Showtime. Nothing is a sure thing in Hollywood. For example I wonder what are the expectations of the WB about Batman 3. What would happen if the movie wasn't able to reply the success of TDK at the box office?
Will they be still pleased? Will they continue to invest on their sh franchises?

There is no way WB can expect the same success TDK had. As long as the film is successful (read large profits, not a specific box office mark) they will continue to invest.

That being said, I see no reason why TDK's success CAN'T be duplicated in BB3.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Well atleast DC has other character movies coming out.

WB EXECS:

"Ok here is the plan. There are a lot of people demanding a Superman movie. Instead of worrying about that, we will release a movie for every other character. That will calm them down."

Robinov

 

[TheComicbookKid]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118006484.html?categoryId=20&cs= 1

Credit to DC forums


It's easy to compare DC with Marvel, given their comicbook businesses. But making movies has been a little easier for Marvel.

Marvel isn't owned by a major conglom, and is set up to make decisions faster, whereas DC is just one of the many divisions under Time Warner.

The performance of a pic also can move Marvel's stock price, so it constantly needs to keep investors updated on its development pipeline. Time Warner is so large, with so many media divisions under its belt, that despite the impressive haul of "The Dark Knight," the pic hardly affected the company's stock at all. So WB doesn't need to be in a hurry to have DC's caped crusaders make the leap to the bigscreen.

In fact, why rush when taking time to develop Warners' superhero pics can lead to a revived Batman franchise that dominates at the box office, instead of a high-profile stumble like "Catwoman" or the lukewarm reception afforded "Superman Returns?"

The only ones clamoring for the films are the fans. And that's just the way Warner Bros. wants it.

 

[merced]

Credit to DC forums


It's easy to compare DC with Marvel, given their comicbook businesses. But making movies has been a little easier for Marvel.

Marvel isn't owned by a major conglom, and is set up to make decisions faster, whereas DC is just one of the many divisions under Time Warner.

The performance of a pic also can move Marvel's stock price, so it constantly needs to keep investors updated on its development pipeline. Time Warner is so large, with so many media divisions under its belt, that despite the impressive haul of "The Dark Knight," the pic hardly affected the company's stock at all. So WB doesn't need to be in a hurry to have DC's caped crusaders make the leap to the bigscreen.

In fact, why rush when taking time to develop Warners' superhero pics can lead to a revived Batman franchise that dominates at the box office, instead of a high-profile stumble like "Catwoman" or the lukewarm reception afforded "Superman Returns?"

The only ones clamoring for the films are the fans. And that's just the way Warner Bros. wants it.

Makes sense. WB is not Marvel. Marvel is a comic based studio and needs to get at least one comic film out every year.

For WB comic based films are just a part of their larger staple. Like you said its why Marvel seems to act much quicker. At WB the yearly film budget is not dedicated to one genre. WB and Marvel studios really can't be compared.

Fans hope WB does a superhero every year but WB doesn't need too. That said, with GL in 2011 and Flash and Aquman in the works I hope it is bang, bang, bang. 2011,2012, 2013.

 

[Fresh Prince]

WB EXECS:

"Ok here is the plan. There are a lot of people demanding a Superman movie. Instead of worrying about that, we will release a movie for every other character. That will calm them down."

Robinov

And your point is??????

 

[GreenKToo]

dude, he's being sarcastic. he wants one as much as any of us.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Well we have to wait.

 

[merced]

Nothing is a sure thing in Hollywood, Superman barely squeaked over 200 million, Hugh Jackman could only help Wolverine to under 180 Million, and Batman Begins made just barely over 200 Million. The 200 Million mark is not as easy to get to. From the looks of it there will only be 4 films that cross that mark this year unless I am missing one. Last year there were 6. Compare that to 2007 where 11 films surpassed that mark. Is it the economy? Is it the number of tentpoles being churned out? Not sure.

Forbes online had a Hollywood article a week or two ago. It stated that, surprisingly, gross recepits for films are up around 10% over 2008.

Forbes pointed out the cramming of big budget flicks together in the summer. Big second week drops are common today. But not fatal. Wolverine lost 69% its second week but was a success.

There is less money and fewer banks willing to front Hollywood. Forbes said new releases in the next few years could drop by a third. Summer blockbusters will be fewer but not as big a drop. Forbes said Hollywood is happy there will be fewer flicks over the next few years. Forbes said its too may blockbusters being released over summer which is the big problem.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I'm more excited for the GL movie then anything. Hope its Spiderman2/X-Men 2 greatness.

 

[Retroman]

She can act.... it's all about what kind of performance the director wants to bring out....

Honestly, after seeing this movie once did you at all feel the director had any kind of clue as to what would make a good Catwoman film?

Don't lay so much blame on Haley. As a matter of fact, she already apologized to fandom for how crappy the movie was.

Agreed and she even accepted the Razzie award in person.

Credit to DC forums


It's easy to compare DC with Marvel, given their comicbook businesses. But making movies has been a little easier for Marvel.

Marvel isn't owned by a major conglom, and is set up to make decisions faster, whereas DC is just one of the many divisions under Time Warner.

The performance of a pic also can move Marvel's stock price, so it constantly needs to keep investors updated on its development pipeline. Time Warner is so large, with so many media divisions under its belt, that despite the impressive haul of "The Dark Knight," the pic hardly affected the company's stock at all. So WB doesn't need to be in a hurry to have DC's caped crusaders make the leap to the bigscreen.

They also licensed out some of their properties to other studios which is something DC can't do.

 

[DavidTyler]

Well I guess also Die Another Day, X-Men movies did not do her right either huh? Do not make any accuses for her she cannot act.

Your limiting rating her by the genre action films she's made. Action films are never really all that deep and Storm wasn't really all that great a character in the X-men films. You need to check out a lot of her other work. I would suggest Monsters Ball and the Dorthy Dandridge movies as a start. You'll see that she actually has more than a pretty face.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Your limiting rating her by the genre action films she's made. Action films are never really all that deep and Storm wasn't really all that great a character in the X-men films. You need to check out a lot of her other work. I would suggest Monsters Ball and the Dorthy Dandridge movies as a start. You'll see that she actually has more than a pretty face.

Hey man she like other actos read the scripts. She knew she was not gonan be used right in them movies yet agreed to be in it. Besdies some actos improve the character. Do research on it, study them. Heath Ledger for example studied Joker. Locked himself in a hotel room. Johnny deep another actor.

Now why cannot she do the same? She could of been a good Storm. As for Catwomen well reading the script she should of not even done that movie. Sorry do not have pity for actors who read terrible scripts and go on with doing the movie.

 

[Sam]

Geoff Johns talking about Flash movie and general DC movies from Warner:

One more question on the movie before I let you go. Does the Flash movie you’re working on exist in the same universe as the Martin Campbell-directed Green Lantern movie with Ryan Reynolds?

Again, unfortunately, I can’t say too much just yet, but if you’re a DC fan, it’s all very, very positive. All the stuff that Warner Bros. is doing, that Jeff Robinoff is leading, it’s all for DC fans. They’re going to be so happy. Paul Levitz and Gregory Novak are really working with everybody and everything that DC is doing is trying to take it to the next level and I think that’s where it’s going.

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