Superman Returns We don't like how this movie is looking (merged)

[ultimatefan]

I loved AOTC anyway does this remind you of last year at all ?

It looks like the slump could be even greater this year than last. I REALLY didn´t see MI III performing so poorly, but I guess some of that can be blamed on Cruise´s unbearable recent behavior...

 

[Hunter Rider]

It looks like the slump could be even greater this year than last. I REALLY didn´t see MI III performing so poorly, but I guess some of that can be blamed on Cruise´s unbearable recent behavior...

$215M WW in 10 days is pretty good though IMO
I was menaing more about the over predictions based off "It's (Insert name)" so it is a guarenteed hit

 

[spideymusprime]

I think SR will make really high numbers (opening weekend $85m, $320-340m domesticly and $370-390m in overseas), but not so high.

I will make special thread for SR box office, when movie comes. And if I will be wrong and you will be right, you win. If I will be right, I win.

Ok?

LOL! I'm not trying to compete with anybody dude. I'm just getting really excited about Superman's box office potential. I'm a huge box-office freak and I love to route for movies that I think will be huge and Superman will definitely be huge. Up, up and away!

 

[Cinemaman]

It looks like the slump could be even greater this year than last. I REALLY didn´t see MI III performing so poorly, but I guess some of that can be blamed on Cruise´s unbearable recent behavior...

2005
Passion of the Christ - High numbers.
The Kingdom of Heavan - Flop!
ROTS - High numbers.
BB - Normal numbers.
WOTW - Normal numbers.
FF - Low numbers.
Stelth - Flop!

2006
MI3 - Low numbers.
Posseidon - Flop!
DVC - Normal numbers.
Over the Hedge - Low numbers.
X3 - Low numbers.
Cars - High numbers.
SR - High numbers.
POTC2 - High numbers.
MV - Flop!

That what as I think is going to happen.

 

[Cinemaman]

LOL! I'm not trying to compete with anybody dude. I'm just getting really excited about Superman's box office potential. I'm a huge box-office freak and I love to route for movies that I think will be huge and Superman will definitely be huge. Up, up and away!

Ok, we will see.

 

[spideymusprime]

Ok, we will see.

Yes, we shall.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Just look at all the times there have been a Darth Vader reference in popculture. Vader is more well known.

LMAO!! You're joking, right? Sorry, but Superman is more well known than Vader. You apparently haven't been outside or been to many places for a long time. Everywhere I go, I seen lot of "S" shield on lot of things. Like stickers on cars, people wearing the shirt with the "S" shield, cap, etc. Way more than Vader, so you're incorrect.

To claim Superman is not as popular as he was ten or twenty years ago with children is not opinion, its fact.

No, it your opinion. Not a fact. If it is a fact, why don't you post some web sites that show statis that Supes isn't that popular as he is with kids 10 or 20 yrs. ago. Plus, you're forgetting Supes comic books is still selling great, SV keep getting big ratings, the JLU cartoons, etc.

 

[skruloos]

the only things i can see hurting Superman Returns in the box office are...1) people wanting darker heroes now-a-days 2) too many comic book movies being made 3) PotC2

I'd have to add a couple other things here and they are things that are affecting all theatrical releases.

1) The ever-decreasing window between Theatrical and DVD release. More people are willing to wait for the movie to come out on DVD or PPV because they just have to wait a few months at most.

2) With the better home theater systems being available at lower prices, more people are inclined to stay in the comfort of their own home with the ability to control the movie. Of course, this also plays into ticket prices. With DVD's costing about the same price as two full price movie tickets, it's easy to see why someone would choose to own a movie and be able to watch it with any number of people in their house for one price of entry.

 

[spideymusprime]

I'd have to add a couple other things here and they are things that are affecting all theatrical releases.

1) The ever-decreasing window between Theatrical and DVD release. More people are willing to wait for the movie to come out on DVD or PPV because they just have to wait a few months at most.

2) With the better home theater systems being available at lower prices, more people are inclined to stay in the comfort of their own home with the ability to control the movie. Of course, this also plays into ticket prices. With DVD's costing about the same price as two full price movie tickets, it's easy to see why someone would choose to own a movie and be able to watch it with any number of people in their house for one price of entry.

Those are good points too. But that didn't stop people from seeing Spidey 2, Shrek, X-2, Star Wars and few other summer blockbusters over the last couple years did it?

 

[Weadazoid]

2005
Passion of the Christ - High numbers.
The Kingdom of Heavan - Flop!
ROTS - High numbers.
BB - Normal numbers.
WOTW - Normal numbers.
FF - Low numbers.
Stelth - Flop!

2006
MI3 - Low numbers.
Posseidon - Flop!
DVC - Normal numbers.
Over the Hedge - Low numbers.
X3 - Low numbers.
Cars - High numbers.
SR - High numbers.
POTC2 - High numbers.
MV - Flop!

That what as I think is going to happen.

FF did not exactly have low numbers...esspecaily when one cosiders overall it only made a little less then 50 Million when compared to BB... which cost 50 Million more then FF... so how are those numbers low




I consider a movie to be a total flop when it loses some serious dogh for the studio..Ie Cat Woman, Alexander, The Island.

 

[Hunter Rider]

LMAO!! You're joking, right? Sorry, but Superman is more well known than Vader. You apparently haven't been outside or been to many places for a long time. Everywhere I go, I seen lot of "S" shield on lot of things. Like stickers on cars, people wearing the shirt with the "S" shield, cap, etc. Way more than Vader, so you're incorrect.
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Vader doesn't have a logo to slap on merch but he is easily as famous if not more famous than Superman around the world as far as pop culture icons go

 

[Milkman95]

FF did not exactly have low numbers...esspecaily when one cosiders overall it only made a little less then 50 Million when compared to BB... which cost 50 Million more then FF... so how are those numbers low

Because they are - FF's budget was more than $120m, sorry to say.

I consider a movie to be a total flop when it loses some serious dogh for the studio..Ie Cat Woman, Alexander, The Island.

Well, in theory you would be correct, but too bad you couldn't be more WRONG about two of the films you listed:

The Island:

Budget: $126m
Worldwide Gross: $160.2m
I'm sure DVD sales put it in even better position.

Alexander:

Budget: $155m
Worldwide Gross: $167.2m
DVD sales and rentals - don't forget about them.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

I know a lot of people that bought the Island once it was released on DVD.

 

[explode7]

LOL! I'm not trying to compete with anybody dude. I'm just getting really excited about Superman's box office potential. I'm a huge box-office freak and I love to route for movies that I think will be huge and Superman will definitely be huge. Up, up and away!

Well you and Cinemaman can live in the same house.

 

[Matt]

2005
Passion of the Christ - High numbers.
The Kingdom of Heavan - Flop!
ROTS - High numbers.
BB - Normal numbers.
WOTW - Normal numbers.
FF - Low numbers.
Stelth - Flop!

2006
MI3 - Low numbers.
Posseidon - Flop!
DVC - Normal numbers.
Over the Hedge - Low numbers.
X3 - Low numbers.
Cars - High numbers.
SR - High numbers.
POTC2 - High numbers.
MV - Flop!

That what as I think is going to happen.

Your crazy if you think Over The Hedge or X3 will have low numbers.

 

[antariksh]

Because they are - FF's budget was more than $120m, sorry to say.

RESEARCH before you say something. THE BUDGET for F4 was NOT more than $100 million according to boxofficemojo.

If I WANT i could have gone as far as to say that the budget for F4 is 87.5 million according to the-numbers.com

SO WHICH ONE LOOKS RIGHT TO ME, well boxofficemojo sounds RIGHT.

while according to both the sites BB DID HAVE a $150 million budget which means it grossed LOW and btw anaysts were predicting BB to gross between $250-300 million while they were expecting F4 to do between $80-130 million.

CLEARLY BB underperformed although i will admit it had GREAT legs while F4 had mediocre legs but still did a high number.

 

[Junfan]

Why are we even having these discussions, everyone here knows Superman Returns will do excellent at the box office, and phenominal on DVD.

I don't think it's gonna be the highest grossing film this year, but there is no way it will be a flop.

It might not appeal to everyone, but Superman has near universal appeal, more so than most of the other comic book films, and many of them have done VERY well.

 

[Matt]

Here are some good reasons for Superman Returns to do very well at the box office:

Proven character - Superman has been consistently one of the most popular superheroes for almost 70 years, with a fanbase that goes from 6 to 60.

Broad family appeal - Superman isn´t dark like Batman or violent like Wolverine. Parents can take their below ten kids to see Superman - remember how many parents complained that Batman Begins wasn´t for an eight year old?

Long absence - There hasn´t been a Superman movie in twenty years, and the last two have been forgotten a long time ago.

Nostalgia for the Donner movie - A lot of adults grew up loving the original Donner movie, that Singer´s one clearly evoques, with the Williams´theme and certain visual moments.

Old hero, new technology - Superman amazed audiences by his flying and superpowers FX almost thirty years ago, they can go even further now with the new technologies.

The Singer factor - Bryan Singer is a highly proven director, both artistically and commercially.

Reasons it can fail:

Overly dramatic story (Ma Kent Dating, Clark/Richard/Lois triangle, etc) can turn of younger audiences

Too much of Donner's movie is a bad thing

Over saturation of the superhero market

Poor advertisment campaign thus far

Nostalgia from Donner movies could turn off audiences to new actors

Too much of Donner film in movie.

Not enough action (Superman vs a floating island...WOW!...I mean...wait...what the ****?)/not the fun popcorn movie people want.

POTC2.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Reasons it can fail:

Overly dramatic story (Ma Kent Dating, Clark/Richard/Lois triangle, etc) can turn of younger audiences

Too much of Donner's movie is a bad thing

Over saturation of the superhero market

Poor advertisment campaign thus far

Nostalgia from Donner movies could turn off audiences to new actors

Too much of Donner film in movie.

Not enough action (Superman vs a floating island...WOW!...I mean...wait...what the ****?)/not the fun popcorn movie people want.

POTC2.

No physical Supervillain enemy i think could also be a factor

 

[Matt]

Why are we even having these discussions, everyone here knows Superman Returns will do excellent at the box office, and phenominal on DVD.

I don't think it's gonna be the highest grossing film this year, but there is no way it will be a flop.

It might not appeal to everyone, but Superman has near universal appeal, more so that most of the other comic book films, and many of them have done VERY well.

It depends what you consider a flop. Notice how there has yet to be a sequel for The Hulk? It was hardly a flop, but its numbers did not justify the budget. The Wall Street Journal reports SR at 260 million (and thats a pretty credible source)...it will need big numbers to justify that./

 

[Matt]

No physical Supervillain enemy i think could also be a factor

I reckon that falls into the lack of action category. It certainly turned off Hulk audiences...and it had a physical threat...just a really stupid one.

 

[Venom71]

I reckon that falls into the lack of action category. It certainly turned off Hulk audiences...and it had a physical threat...just a really stupid one.

From what we have all heard and seen so far...I'm guessing that SR will not lack action....ohhh noes SR actually has a story we have to follow instead of Superman just punching a villian in every single frame..it is destined to bomb.

 

[Matt]

From what we have all heard and seen so far...I'm guessing that SR will not lack action....ohhh noes SR actually has a story we have to follow instead of Superman just punching a villian in every single frame..it is destined to bomb.

Theres a difference between an epic battle between Superman and Metallo and Superman throwing a giant floating island into the sun or guiding a plane to the ground.

 

[Venom71]

Theres a difference between an epic battle between Superman and Metallo and Superman throwing a giant floating island into the sun or guiding a plane to the ground.

So all you want is Superman throwing punches the whole movie...ok SR 2...Supeman VS Rocky in the ring...that should satisfy you.

 

[Hunter Rider]

So all you want is Superman throwing punches the whole movie...ok SR 2...Supeman VS Rocky in the ring...that should satisfy you.

Why is it that you think wanting a supervillain means wanting no story ? plenty of movie balance the two fine,Some of just would have preferred Superman's action sequences to be battles with villains than stopping planes from crashing