What are your complaints? What would you do differently? *SPOILERS*

[the last son]

After credit scenes are lame unless they are truly, truly, worth showing. Haven't seen a good one since iron man.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I think my biggest complaints about this film is how isolated everyone felt. Would have been nice to see Clark having Pete/Lana as friends as a child/young adult. And I would have had Lois bring along Jimmy/Jenny as her photographer and someone to play off of her who knows her while she is investigating.

 

[iamsilvio]

What bothers me the most about the movie was the fact that we were never shown the impact of Superman's reveal to the planet! Perry White asks Louis to imagine the impact such a being would have on the human race, Pa Kent talks about the change that would happen if Clark were to reveal himself. WHY NOT SHOW US ZACK SNYDER AND DAVID GOYER??!!!!UGH

 

[blumatic]

What bothers me the most about the movie was the fact that we were never shown the impact of Superman's reveal to the planet! Perry White asks Louis to imagine the impact such a being would have on the human race, Pa Kent talks about the change that would happen if Clark were to reveal himself. WHY NOT SHOW US ZACK SNYDER AND DAVID GOYER??!!!!UGH

In due time....

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

What bothers me the most about the movie was the fact that we were never shown the impact of Superman's reveal to the planet! Perry White asks Louis to imagine the impact such a being would have on the human race, Pa Kent talks about the change that would happen if Clark were to reveal himself. WHY NOT SHOW US ZACK SNYDER AND DAVID GOYER??!!!!UGH

Did you miss...I don't know...the ENTIRE third act? They setup multiple things in the film that should address that very question. Clark joining the Daily Bugle will cover the media and Superman aspect, the unsure relationship he has with the military, the fact that Kryptonians killed and tried to take Earth as their own which will cause some people of Earth to distrust Superman just based on him being of the same alien race, the huge amount of destruction caused from him stopping the invasion, and of course the tease of Lex Luthor. It is pretty obvious they will show us how Superman's reveal to Earth impacts them.

 

[iamsilvio]

Anyone else hated the Louis's comment to the general "measuring *****?" I was like what the hell?

 

[iamsilvio]

Did you miss...I don't know...the ENTIRE third act? They setup multiple things in the film that should address that very question. Clark joining the Daily Bugle will cover the media and Superman aspect, the unsure relationship he has with the military, the fact that Kryptonians killed and tried to take Earth as their own which will cause some people of Earth to distrust Superman just based on him being of the same alien race, the huge amount of destruction caused from him stopping the invasion, and of course the tease of Lex Luthor. It is pretty obvious they will show us how Superman's reveal to Earth impacts them.

I do not want a set up for a part two. They could have easily trimmed some of the fighting and the opening Krypton scene and put in scenes with people around the world reacting to superman's first appearance. The film lacked awe and grandiose.

 

[Tra-El]

For some reason, I wanted to see dialogue exchanged with Clark and the oil-rig officers in the heat of rescue. I get that they were setting him up as a alienated figure with a distanced personality, but how sweet would it of been to see Cavill let loose in a tense opening moment?

 

[iamsilvio]

For some reason, I wanted to see dialogue exchanged with Clark and the oil-rig officers in the heat of rescue. I get that they were setting him up as a alienated figure with a distanced personality, but how sweet would it of been to see Cavill let loose in a tense opening moment?

If you ask me their reaction was really muted. If I saw a man on fire rip open a door to save me, I would be freaking out!

 

[Daybreak_st]

For some reason, I wanted to see dialogue exchanged with Clark and the oil-rig officers in the heat of rescue. I get that they were setting him up as a alienated figure with a distanced personality, but how sweet would it of been to see Cavill let loose in a tense opening moment?

I agree with this. A little more dialogue from Clark at any point before he becomes Superman would've helped to inform his character and give us a clear sense of his personality. We really don't get much interaction between in and other people beyond his parents and him being bullied or mistreated. He's just very quiet. I get the loner aspect but I swear it wasn't until he became Superman that I started to like him much. Contrast with how Bruce was handled in Begins, long before he ever dons the suit you get a real sense of who he is and you care about him. Same with Tony Stark.

Yes I know we see him as a kid and all he goes through but I think seeing more of Cavil interact with people would've helped. Like the scene with the trucker, a little dialogue between him and the waitress he defended would've informed the entire scene and let us know more about their relationship. Just small conversations here and there with various people. But they chose the silent treatment.


I have a question though...when Clark has his confrontation with the ships security robot, he's bleeding on his arm correct? And at the end he's able to snap Zod's neck...ok. What that says to me is that something close in strength can hurt them. Ok. So why didn't anyone have a bloody nose or other injuries? Just based on internal logic it would dictate that if you can snap someones neck you should be able to break his nose, right? I'm not saying I wanted it to be all bloody but just based on those two scenes we saw that they can experience actual physical damage whether it's bleeding or death. That seems to indicate that the fights would've taken a more physical toll on them including injuries etc. Did anyone else think about that? Just curious.

 

[Milu]

There's a positive for watching the movie all the way through, even if there's no after-credits teaser. You pay the entire cast and crew respect as their names appear.

 

[Nemeres]

The whole Krypton part was very muddled. On top of the unstable core you add Zod's coup, political unrest, Zod's racism about the bloodlines and that whole codex crap... by the time Kal-El gets sent off, you're not sure what's going on exactly, and what are the things at stake. Simplicity during that part would have done WONDERS for the audience's investment. Instead, I suspect many must have been all "Wha...? What's going on?" Damn Goyer. I'm so pissed off at the guy right now.

 

[Human Torch]

I enjoyed the Krypton stuff,but it felt extremely rushed.Jor-El before the Council- 10 seconds,Zod takes over- 20 seconds,Supes sent off -90 seconds.I also found it odd that Zod is sent off to the Phantom Zone (which is reached by ship in this version?) about 2 minutes before Krypton explodes.Jor-El's death at Zod's hands had absolutely no resonance or bearing on the rest of the film,and seemed a blatant attempt just to be different.

I thought Costner was extremely good,and limiting him to flashbacks was very effective.I have to admit, I'm pretty sick of there having to be an argument between the hero and his father/father figure just before he dies.Can't the death be just as impactful if the two are getting along?I'm surprised Batman Begins didn't have 8 year old Bruce arguing with his parents."I just got over a trauma with bats,and you idiots are taking me to an opera?Was the Care Bears movie sold out?"t:

The controversial ending.Supes killing Zod.I think it was played very well,with Superman's remorse.It's interesting that Nolan's three Batman films pay such lip service to the hero not killing (and he almost inevitably does in every movie) while here,it's taken for granted that Supes won't kill,but ends up doing so anyway.My problem with the concept is that it seemed like there was a few different ways Supes could've resolved the situation without killing.(Fly him away from the family he was trying to kill,slam his face into the ground,etc)Granted,how was he gonna stop Zod? I don't know.But it seemed too contrived for my taste.As if it were simply written for shock value.

 

[KalMart]

The whole Krypton part was very muddled. On top of the unstable core you add Zod's coup, political unrest, Zod's racism about the bloodlines and that whole codex crap... by the time Kal-El gets sent off, you're not sure what's going on exactly, and what are the things at stake. Simplicity during that part would have done WONDERS for the audience's investment. Instead, I suspect many must have been all "Wha...? What's going on?" Damn Goyer. I'm so pissed off at the guy right now.

It felt like someone was standing by with a stopwatch telling them to hurry up and get it all in.

There's a positive for watching the movie all the way through, even if there's no after-credits teaser. You pay the entire cast and crew respect as their names appear.

Why, did they not get paid?

 

[Widow-Maker]

I enjoyed the Krypton stuff,but it felt extremely rushed.Jor-El before the Council- 10 seconds,Zod takes over- 20 seconds,Supes sent off -90 seconds.I also found it odd that Zod is sent off to the Phantom Zone (which is reached by ship in this version?) about 2 minutes before Krypton explodes.Jor-El's death at Zod's hands had absolutely no resonance or bearing on the rest of the film,and seemed a blatant attempt just to be different.

I thought Costner was extremely good,and limiting him to flashbacks was very effective.I have to admit, I'm pretty sick of there having to be an argument between the hero and his father/father figure just before he dies.Can't the death be just as impactful if the two are getting along?I'm surprised Batman Begins didn't have 8 year old Bruce arguing with his parents."I just got over a trauma with bats,and you idiots are taking me to an opera?Was the Care Bears movie sold out?"t:

The controversial ending.Supes killing Zod.I think it was played very well,with Superman's remorse.It's interesting that Nolan's three Batman films pay such lip service to the hero not killing (and he almost inevitably does in every movie) while here,it's taken for granted that Supes won't kill,but ends up doing so anyway.My problem with the concept is that it seemed like there was a few different ways Supes could've resolved the situation without killing.(Fly him away from the family he was trying to kill,slam his face into the ground,etc)Granted,how was he gonna stop Zod? I don't know.But it seemed too contrived for my taste.As if it were simply written for shock value.

That's basically what it was. The ending we saw, Zod getting killed, wasn't in the original script. Zod was supposed to be sent to the Phantom Zone alongside the other Kryptonians. It was Zack Snyder's idea to kill Zod...because it would give reason and impact on why Superman doesn't kill. Like a lesson he had to learn...or something. Nolan, didn't agree with it at first apparently but they talked him into it or something. In my opinion, I don't think he should have killed him. I think he should have sent him away to the Phantom Zone. Or killed him in a different way..not by snapping his neck like it's a twig. They can slam each other into buildings and come out unscathed but they can snap each other's necks easily. Dunno..doesn't sound right to me.

Btw, with Faora locked away in the phantom zone (and she'll probably escape)...anyone else think there's a possible resurrection for Zod in the future? Or will she be a main villain one day?

 

[blumatic]

That's basically what it was. The ending we saw, Zod getting killed, wasn't in the original script. Zod was supposed to be sent to the Phantom Zone alongside the other Kryptonians. It was Zack Snyder's idea to kill Zod...because it would give reason and impact on why Superman doesn't kill. Like a lesson he had to learn...or something. Nolan, didn't agree with it at first apparently but they talked him into it or something. In my opinion, I don't think he should have killed him. I think he should have sent him away to the Phantom Zone. Or killed him in a different way..not by snapping his neck like it's a twig. They can slam each other into buildings and come out unscathed but they can snap each other's necks easily. Dunno..doesn't sound right to me.

Btw, with Faora locked away in the phantom zone (and she'll probably escape)...anyone else think there's a possible resurrection for Zod in the future? Or will she be a main villain one day?

It would have been so terrible just to put him back in the phantom zone. The end would have been the exat same solution the Avengers had. Just put it in another dimension.

I credit Goyer and Snyder for having the balls to take that route. Its very unexpected but its an ending that makes sense and is logical. Not just some out of no where solution that we see too many times in CBMs. The Donner movies are so guilty of those.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Btw, with Faora locked away in the phantom zone (and she'll probably escape)...anyone else think there's a possible resurrection for Zod in the future? Or will she be a main villain one day?

Hope she doesn't escape .... I want to eliminate any chance of me having to listen to her opine again about evolution. My ears began to bleed.

 

[Widow-Maker]

It would have been so terrible just to put him back in the phantom zone. The end would have been the exat same solution the Avengers had. Just put it in another dimension.

I credit Goyer and Snyder for having the balls to take that route. Its very unexpected but its an ending that makes sense and is logical. Not just some out of no where solution that we see too many times in CBMs. The Donner movies are so guilty of those.

Like I said, I don't mind Zod getting killed. He had no more purpose in life, he would've been just a killing/hate machine instead of doing the things he did for his people..which is why I think he let Supes kill him. But I don't think snapping his neck was the way to go. It's..too easy, they can take all this punishment and look fine but he can snap his neck like nothing. Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[KalMart]

Like I said, I don't mind Zod getting killed. He had no more purpose in life, he would've been just a killing/hate machine instead of doing the things he did for his people..which is why I think he let Supes kill him. But I don't think snapping his neck was the way to go. It's..too easy, they can take all this punishment and look fine but he can snap his neck like nothing. Doesn't make sense to me.

This is what I had suggested....

I also felt it was a bit too quick and somewhat gruesome. I would have preferred to maybe set up a strangle or slower suffocation to see Superman struggling a little more with the horrible decision.

You guys remember 'I Am Legend"...when he has to choke his dog to death as it turns into a monster? Something along those lines, but obviously not with the 'love' between them.

 

[sf2]

It would have been so terrible just to put him back in the phantom zone. The end would have been the exat same solution the Avengers had. Just put it in another dimension.

I credit Goyer and Snyder for having the balls to take that route. Its very unexpected but its an ending that makes sense and is logical. Not just some out of no where solution that we see too many times in CBMs. The Donner movies are so guilty of those.

Applause to them

 

[deanmachine]

A) Language: it's an alien race. Though humanoid, they should have had their own language (I think a modern version of Old English would have sufficed). The opening could have been some in subtitles. Or, start in sub-titles then close up in on a character's face then the language changes to English (this is how they did it in The Hunt for Red October for the Russian Submarine crew).

B) Opening scenes on Krypton: More exposition between Zod and Jor. Two sympathizing minds whose compassion for their people is their common thread, but both come from distinctively different approaches/backgrounds. Play on this more and develop that relationship. When they come into conflict with each other we see that it is almost an unwilling fight that escalates because of Zod's genocide and Jor's 'betrayal' of stealing the codex.

C) The suit: It looked INCREDIBLE but...why was it the way it was? Dialogue between Kal and Jor could have explained this:
The ship is 18,000 years old and the last remnant of a flourishing Krypton. The suit is a representation of that time. Its colors a symbol of that time, unlike the suits/society we see which is void of any vibrance. Also the suit could have been placed on him via the ship, almost looking organic as it would move and conform to his body. The 'S' shield could have been placed on last where Jor then explains the meaning. It would have literally taken 5 minutes more scene time to explain this.

D) Zod-Kal Relationship: should have been developed more. Zod should have reached out to Kal more, almost in a mentor role. Kal, so eager to learn more about his people, should have been completely immersed in this. Zod could genuinely reach out to this last son of Krypton 'perhaps even saying the lines: "You are the last son of Krypton Kal-El. You hold the key to the our race beginning anew.' These are HIS people, and his ONE TRUE connection to his home planet. It would set up the ending where his decision to finish Zod becomes much more conflicted, but still ends up resulting in his choice as identifying as an Earthling, as well his aversion to killing later on. It shouldn't have started out as purely conflict. Zod was after the codex. He would be aware of the fact it was imprinted on Kal. Only until Kale chooses humanity and the reveal of Kal being a living embodiment of the codex should Zod have become volatile towards him.

E) Fight Scenes: more effort placed on Superman trying to get people to safety.
Examples:
1) Faora vs Superman: trying to convince Army to evacuate people mid fight. Saving Colonel Hardy and then in the middle of a line like 'You have to get these people out of here Col-' boom, gets blindsided by Faora/Big Kryptonian. Also as Army is closing in on.them initially he could start saying 'You need to leave, you're not saf-' BOOM...helicopter opens up fire on him/them.
2) 'Sense or morality' 'Evolutionary advantage' lines could have been compounded with Fairs or the Big Kryptonian threatening civilians and taunting Superman with these lines. Would have hammered the point home more.
3) Zod-Superman: simply looking at the damage around him, watching people flee, etc Superman man.could have simply said 'I have to draw him away from the city and these people'. BOOM...his awareness of the loss of life/damage/caring about others establishes. Maybe he doesn't succeed in it and we still have the battle that we have. But AGAIN...a few extra lines and an extended scene would have established that completely.

 

[writer0327]

You know...I've watched and read and loved comic book media all my life. Grew up on the big 3 - Spider-man, Superman, and Batman.

There are many versions of those heroes out there. Batman has every type of iteration imaginable, everything from campy Adam West Batman to the serious, dark Nolan Batman, and everything in between that. And seriously, I like them all in their own way.

Same with Spidey. Watched the old Spider-man cartoons growing up, watched Spidey and his Amazing Friends with Iceman and Firestar, liked the Sam Raimi films (except 3) and tASM as well. Not perfect films, but overall no big complaints. All different versions of Spidey, but still liked them in their own way.

But Superman....

Supes is different. And I'm not just saying it to be saying it. SUPERMAN IS DIFFERENT. The godlike, larger than life hero...truth, justice and the American way. There's something more to Superman than just his powers, his abilities. Superman is like baseball and apple pie, he's a cultural icon, he's a symbol. The stakes are bigger than just beating up aliens. Superman is about striving for greater. Maybe I'm stupid and nostalgic, but I think that's what MOS was missing. It was jaw-dropping, awesome, and a spectacle, and honestly the story telling wasn't bad either. But it wasn't full of heart and soul. It wasn't inspirational, hopeful, full of Americana. It didn't feel triumphant. It was just an action movie.

Maybe it was the music, which was good, but not John Williams. I didn't feel the majesty. Everything was heavy, dark, serious, and though Superman can definitely go into those darker territories, there is always something that speaks to the inner believer in us all. Hope. Goodness.

So, yes it had all the stuff people were begging for since "Returns", the complete destructive action and over the top fight scenes, but the MOS didn't "feel" like Superman.

 

[spider-neil]

After credit scenes are lame unless they are truly, truly, worth showing. Haven't seen a good one since iron man.

Thanos
ASM (the execution was piss poor but the scene has significance)

 

[spider-neil]

You know...I've watched and read and loved comic book media all my life. Grew up on the big 3 - Spider-man, Superman, and Batman.

There are many versions of those heroes out there. Batman has every type of iteration imaginable, everything from campy Adam West Batman to the serious, dark Nolan Batman, and everything in between that. And seriously, I like them all in their own way.

Same with Spidey. Watched the old Spider-man cartoons growing up, watched Spidey and his Amazing Friends with Iceman and Firestar, liked the Sam Raimi films (except 3) and tASM as well. Not perfect films, but overall no big complaints. All different versions of Spidey, but still liked them in their own way.

But Superman....

Supes is different. And I'm not just saying it to be saying it. SUPERMAN IS DIFFERENT. The godlike, larger than life hero...truth, justice and the American way. There's something more to Superman than just his powers, his abilities. Superman is like baseball and apple pie, he's a cultural icon, he's a symbol. The stakes are bigger than just beating up aliens. Superman is about striving for greater. Maybe I'm stupid and nostalgic, but I think that's what MOS was missing. It was jaw-dropping, awesome, and a spectacle, and honestly the story telling wasn't bad either. But it wasn't full of heart and soul. It wasn't inspirational, hopeful, full of Americana. It didn't feel triumphant. It was just an action movie.

Maybe it was the music, which was good, but not John Williams. I didn't feel the majesty. Everything was heavy, dark, serious, and though Superman can definitely go into those darker territories, there is always something that speaks to the inner believer in us all. Hope. Goodness.

So, yes it had all the stuff people were begging for since "Returns", the complete destructive action and over the top fight scenes, but the MOS didn't "feel" like Superman.

I agree with this post but playing devil's advocate this Superman isn't the finished article yet. Think Casino Royale, imagine if that Bond is several years off Connery in Dr. No. He is rough around the edges, he isn't cool, he isn't suave because he doesn't have the experience.

In Superman 1, Jer-El (sp) takes Superman under his wing for 12 years
This is how you use heat version
This is how you use Super breath
This is what you do when thousands/millions are in peril, this is how you save them

In MoS Superman doesn't have that, he'll get there but it going to be a long climb and we are going to see that journey, we don't see that journey in Superman 1 he emerges out of the FoS fully formed and perfect.

 

[bullets]

Well, Clark can run faster than a speeding bullet, after all, so there is that. Or, the alternative (and this is what that youtube suggests and I forgot about) Clark is the one to save the dog instead of his dad and that's how he gets sucked up into the tornado.

All that would of been pointless to me. I liked the scene and Clark making a huge sacrifice. There was some resolution to that. So yeah it could of been written differently , but I have to agree to disagree on this one.



I would of changed certain aspects of the ending. It was strange to see them skip right over the aftermath of Metropolis being in ruins. Also certain things don't make sense to me. It was nice to see Lois embrace Superman after he killed Zod , but how did she get there so fast? Also Superman's suit was just perfect fitted and waiting for him thousands of years before he landed on Earth. What?

The intro of him wearing the suit could of been done a little better.