What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

[OutOfBoose]

Then what was SS?

SS is probably Cutthroat Island. No, too good. Polanski's Pirates.

 

[Erzengel]

Marvel is like pirates of the carribean. It's campy family fun. It's ALWAYS going to make more dough than DC's direction. Being someone who loved MOS and BVS id be crushed to see them go campy and jokey.

The Pirates movies weren't universally praised and have been consistently panned.

If anything, the DCEU are more like Pirates or even Transformers, critically panned movies that still do well.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Honestly, I'm on my last legs excitement-wise when it comes to the DCCU.

But I was just thinking, I would be open to a really good Netflix Batman series. 40 minute episodes. Dark, violent, each showcasing a different case he's working on or several episode arcs. Not connected to the CW or the filmverse or Gotham. Just a standalone Batman tv series with a halfway decent budget. I'd watch the hell out of that.

Batman's got way too many villains to do justice in a 3 movies every decade. His C-list rogues are better than most Iron Man A-listers. I want to see Black Mask, Anarky, Clayface, etc. But we probably never will in the cinema.

Sounds good to me. Daredevil is in many ways Marvel's Batman in terms of being their dark and gritty street level vigilante series, so something of that quality would be great.

 

[Coffee]

Marvel is like pirates of the carribean. It's campy family fun. It's ALWAYS going to make more dough than DC's direction. Being someone who loved MOS and BVS id be crushed to see them go campy and jokey.

I don't necessarily think that HAS to be the case though.

While the overall tone of Marvel is lighter, I think they ultimately succeed financially is because audiences enjoy them.

Chris Nolan's dark knight films had a dark somber tone, but the quality was there & audiences responded. (The 2nd & 3rd film put up "Marvel" numbers)

I don't think it to be one or the other (campy or jokey vs dark & serious). Focus on making a solid film.

DCEU films don't have to be campy & jokey to succeed. They don't have to replicate Marvel, but the films should reflect the source material. (i.e. Superman in theory, is not a dark character. Metropolis is not a dark city, etc. )

It's not so much about "tone" as it is about story & characters. Respect the audience & the characters......

Whether its true or not, it seems like DCEU "direction" was to NOT look like the MCU.......and it succeeded, but at what cost?

 

[The Joker]

^ Exactly. Its got nothing to do with campy family fun, its about delivering quality movies.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

^ Exactly. Its got nothing to do with campy family fun, its about delivering quality movies.

I'm actually in favor of DC being the darker, more realistic alternative to Marvel. The Jason Bourne to Marvel's James Bond. Better to do that than just copy Marvel and come off as Marvel-lite. If I wanted Marvel, I'd just watch Marvel since they are nailing it right now.

The problem is that taking the right approach isn't nearly enough. They still have to make quality movies, and right now they aren't. They've gotten away with it this year because of the massive interest in these characters, but there is a very real risk that the audience will dwindle once the novelty wears off.

I'm not confident they are going to be able to count on performing like POTC and Transformers. Both of those series have been declining domestically and have been saved by overseas numbers recently. That has not been the case for DC historically. The domestic box office makes up a far greater percentage of the gross than for POTC or Transformers. The last Transformers movie made nearly as much internationally as BvS did total, and the last POTC movie wasn't far behind. Age of Extinction made $320 million in China alone. BvS made $95 million. Suicide Squad made $0 since it didn't even get released there.

So DC needs the domestic box office and any decline there will be a real problem for them. Age of Extinction made 22% of its gross domestically. On Stranger Tides made 23%. Man of Steel made 44%. BvS made 38%. Suicide Squad is currently on 45%.

 

[CaptainWagner]

DC's strength should be in diversity and an ability to deliver films with vastly different characters, plots, and tones. Because as great as Marvel has done, they are unwilling to commit to thematic diversity outside of their ignored television division.

 

[Erzengel]

As in focusing away from the Avengers?

 

[Timebomb]

^ Exactly. Its got nothing to do with campy family fun, its about delivering quality movies.

Quality and respect. That's it. Just two things.
Quality and respect.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

So is there a DC event happening tomorrow?

 

[Bats123]

DC's strength should be in diversity and an ability to deliver films with vastly different characters, plots, and tones. Because as great as Marvel has done, they are unwilling to commit to thematic diversity outside of their ignored television division.

yeah too bad DC hasnt done that yet, as for the second one:

Cap 1=war movie
Winter Soldier=a political thriller
Guardians=sci-fi comedy
Ant-Man=Heist film
Thor=fantasy opera

Not enough thematic diversity for you?

 

[Bats123]

These are some heavy hitters. ANd when you look at it, this is the first DCEU movie since MoS that's going to open under heavy competition. And I am of the opinion that BvS and SS would not have done as well if they were released in the dead of summer. But that's not just a DCEU thing, I don't think Deadpool or Kingsmen wouldve been as successful either. ANd those were positively received movies. Not saying they wouldve flopped but I think they really benefited from being the only decent action movie for like month. I also dont get why FOX is putting Kingsmen out in June. I dont think it'll make as much as the first and those idiots are gonna be scratching their heads like: "What happened?"

THIS. Wonder Woman is gonna be the real test, at the end of the day i am hoping WW is the better movie of the DCEU, Gadot's wooden acting isnt giving me hope but Patty is a good director so im a little optimistic.

Sorry about the double post <_<

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Thought it should be here to,

Recent Geoff Johns interview where he stressed that DCE moving in new direction

Mistakenly in the past I think the studio has said, &#8216;Oh, DC films are gritty and dark and that&#8217;s what makes them different.&#8217; That couldn&#8217;t be more wrong,&#8221; said Mr. Johns, who has written comic books featuring most of the company&#8217;s top superheroes. &#8220;It&#8217;s a hopeful and optimistic view of life. Even Batman has a glimmer of that in him. If he didn&#8217;t think he&#8217;d make tomorrow better, he&#8217;d stop.&#8221;

 

[CaptainWagner]

yeah too bad DC hasnt done that yet, as for the second one:

Cap 1=war movie
Winter Soldier=a political thriller
Guardians=sci-fi comedy
Ant-Man=Heist film
Thor=fantasy opera

Not enough thematic diversity for you?

Yeah, I'm not sure you get what theme means. The Cap films are really the only two significant alterations from the main style. The rest all follow conventional tropes. Ant-Man is a comedic hero's journey that happens to have a heist, Thor is a comedic hero's journey that avoided "fantasy" for most of the film and eschewed "opera" for a fish out of water storyline. Guardians was yet another comedic hero's journey. None of them differed in tone or overall theme.

 

[Bats123]

Yeah, I'm not sure you get what theme means. The Cap films are really the only two significant alterations from the main style. The rest all follow conventional tropes. Ant-Man is a comedic hero's journey that happens to have a heist, Thor is a comedic hero's journey that avoided "fantasy" for most of the film and eschewed "opera" for a fish out of water storyline. Guardians was yet another comedic hero's journey. None of them differed in tone or overall theme.

Too bad DC only has two brooding hero movies and a kind of funny bad guys journey, such diversity, wow.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Too bad DC only has two brooding hero movies and a kind of funny bad guys journey, such diversity, wow.

I'm not saying that DC has done it better, but quality-aside, Suicide Squad and BvS are very different both tonally and thematically, and would have been more so had Ayer's vision been left intact.

My point is that Marvel has shown they don't have plans to push thematic diversity, which should hopefully be a major goal for the DCEU.

 

[Bats123]

I'm not saying that DC has done it better, but quality-aside, Suicide Squad and BvS are very different both tonally and thematically, and would have been more so had Ayer's vision been left intact.

My point is that Marvel has shown they don't have plans to push thematic diversity, which should hopefully be a major goal for the DCEU.

it should be for both, look i know im coming across as a *****e, but i really want DC to do better, im not looking for these films to fail but IMO i think they havent put their hearts into it, specially with all these "interventions" like the studio did with Squad, i just hope the "accelerations" Johns mentioned earlier arent just for the sake of it and actually help deliver a more.....cohesive, crowd pleasing experience.

 

[Erzengel]

The major goal for DCEU if you aren't a fan of MCU is to provide a movie that's in the ballpark of BB and TDKR.

 

[TeeKay]

I'm not saying that DC has done it better, but quality-aside, Suicide Squad and BvS are very different both tonally and thematically, and would have been more so had Ayer's vision been left intact.

My point is that Marvel has shown they don't have plans to push thematic diversity, which should hopefully be a major goal for the DCEU.

There isn't any difference between MoS and BvS either. SS is an outlier so ur argument doesn't really hold much weight because we haven't had 11 movies in the DCU yet. Let's see down the line.

 

[Steamteck]

The major goal for DCEU if you aren't a fan of MCU is to provide a movie that's in the ballpark of BB and TDKR.

Please no TDKR and I like their stuff better than BB myself.

 

[mace1]

Yeah, I'm not sure you get what theme means. The Cap films are really the only two significant alterations from the main style. The rest all follow conventional tropes. Ant-Man is a comedic hero's journey that happens to have a heist, Thor is a comedic hero's journey that avoided "fantasy" for most of the film and eschewed "opera" for a fish out of water storyline. Guardians was yet another comedic hero's journey. None of them differed in tone or overall theme.

That's not true.

 

[mace1]

Cap 1=war movie
Winter Soldier=a political thriller
Guardians=sci-fi comedy
Ant-Man=Heist film
Thor=fantasy opera

Not enough thematic diversity for you?

The mcu does have tones.
It does have way more varied tones then the dceu films.
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[mace1]

Campea explains whats wrong with DCEU

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Is Rotten Tomatoes Biased Against Warner Bros/DC Movies?

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[CaptainWagner]

There isn't any difference between MoS and BvS either. SS is an outlier so ur argument doesn't really hold much weight because we haven't had 11 movies in the DCU yet. Let's see down the line.

MOS and BvS are the same, but they're basically the same franchise. What Snyder did with his Superman interpretation was a mistake, ideally MOS should have had a different tone from BvS.

Mostly, I'm just pointing out something that I hope stays true down the line. I think Johns understands this.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

http://deadline.com/2016/09/dc-comi...tness-time-warner-ceo-jeff-bewkes-1201823990/

Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes calls DCEU financially successful citing Suicide Squad's BoxOffice. But also says there is room for improvement and vows that DC superheroes "will have more lightness" to them.

Also re affirms Johns/Berg are in charge now