What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

[brandeezy89]

So what is the first DC film that will be under the Johns/Berg regime?

WW considering that Johns and that WW writer wrote the script with Jenkins

 

[nyyarod]

My problem with the DC movies isn't the 'tone'. I just want the movie to be GOOD, whether it's 'light and fun' or 'dark and serious'. I like the Marvel movies because they are entertaining and generally well written. The problem I have with WB/DC is the scripts, the editing, the story, etc. BVS and SS were both dreadful and that's because there were too many hands in the pot. They tried to do too much with BVS and SS was just a mess. Like kguillou said, WB needs to trust their directors and let the movies be judged without tampering.

 

[nyyarod]

If WW is butchered too I think it's at a point where I dont get why anyone would work in the DCEU with WB.

Forget whether you think the movies are good or bad, who wants to work in something where your decisions are always being changed or second guessed?

Exactly. That just seems so unprofessional.

 

[TheCommissioner]

If WW is butchered too I think it's at a point where I dont get why anyone would work in the DCEU with WB.

Forget whether you think the movies are good or bad, who wants to work in something where your decisions are always being changed or second guessed?

solid point

when Whedon was working on 'WW' a while back he said he had never worked in an environment where people cared so less about what is supposed to be a big project

said something like Warner Bros excels in apathy

 

[MadVillainy]

and I bet that will eventually affect the level of talent they get.

 

[STARMAN]

A well made and well-received JL movie will move the ball forward.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

A well made and well-received JL movie will move the ball forward.

What's your definition of well received? We got something like let's say Nolan trilogy prestige, or the recent Captain America Civil War which also got good critics/audiences reviews .

However Recently despite the critical panning of Suicide Squad it did manage to click better with audiences than BVS did if you look at BoxOffice.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

A well made and well-received JL movie will move the ball forward.

I really hope so the last Snyder movie that didn't get mixed/negative reception was 2009's Watchmen. I don't think he's going to make a movie that gets a glowing reception, but I'd take good.

You know everyone's allowed to like/dislike whatever they want. But these last three DC movies have been creating so much argument, controversy, dividing the fan base.

 

[MadVillainy]

I really hope so the last Snyder movie that didn't get mixed/negative reception was 2009's Watchmen. I don't think he's going to make a movie that gets a glowing reception, but I'd take good.

You know everyone's allowed to like/dislike whatever they want. But these last three DC movies have been creating so much argument, controversy, dividing the fan base.

Watchmen got mixed reviews.

The only Snyder movie to not get mixed or polarizing response is Dawn of the Dead back in 04. Probably throw 300 from 2006 in there too which I loved.

Which is why it's really weird that WB keeps putting faith in him with some of these projects. The guy fails upward. And I liked Watchmen, but I realize not everyone does and it was very mixed

 

[TheCommissioner]

his movies make $$$

and a well received JL, like how Winter Soldier was received

makes money but also gets above average critical praise

 

[MadVillainy]

his movies make $$$

and a well received JL, like how Winter Soldier was received

makes money but also gets above average critical praise

Nah not really. Again not since 300, has he had a huge undeniable hit.

And I know this is gonna trigger some people but MoS and BvS didn't make that much money for the studio. At least by a decent amount of accounts. Of course neither flopped or anything close to that, that's crazy talk, but if you do research or even just look at the numbers you can ascertain that they didn't make that much money, or even at the least the money they could have.

Snyder isn't making these financial slam dunks like Michael Bay-Transformers where I can say: "Yeah the movies sucked but they made buckets of money so I see why they rehire Bay and make sequels"

 

[nyyarod]

Well, they were kinda stuck with Snyder for JL but I really don't expect him back for anymore DC movies.

 

[MadVillainy]

Well, they were kinda stuck with Snyder for JL but I really don't expect him back for anymore DC movies.

I wouldnt be surprised if he comes back.

I wanna interview Snyder and sees how he does it because his career trajectory doesn't make any logical sense.

-Directs smash hit 300, so WB says: "Here make this R rated, philosophical superhero movie (Watchmen)". Makes sense
-Watchmen has mixed response and doesn't do that well at the box office. WB: "Eh that's fine. Go make your $80 million animated owls movie"
-Legend of the Guardians doesn't do that well financially or critically. WB: "Zack baby don't worry about it. Go make your $80 million original property featuring a predominately women cast with no major stars that's about some weird convuluted thing."
-Sucker Punch doesn't do well. WB: "Yeah Sucker Punch didn't do well, but we have Superman for you. One of the most iconic characters or all time and you're going to launch our DC Cinematic Universe..."

It's just incredible how no matter how he falters, financially or critically they keep giving him more responsibility, more iconic things, and more power when it comes to making films. Remove what you think of his films. Even if you think he's one of the top directors dead or alive, logically it makes no sense. It's crazy to me, but I definitely want to know how he does it.

 

[TheCommissioner]

He'll do what the studio asks and won't talk back

the simplest answer is usually the right one

 

[MadVillainy]

He'll do what the studio asks and won't talk back

the simplest answer is usually the right one

So will other directors. That's not a unique trait to Snyder. There are other directors who will do what they ask and probably would cost less than Snyder does

 

[TheCommissioner]

So will other directors. That's not a unique trait to Snyder. There are other directors who will do what they ask and probably would cost less than Snyder does

actually not so much

him and his wife run a production company which shoulders a good portion of the cost (money and time) for producing all their films

his wife also has a lot of stroke at Warner Bros, if he goes, she goes too along with the production company

 

[jmc]

I wouldnt be surprised if he comes back.

I wanna interview Snyder and sees how he does it because his career trajectory doesn't make any logical sense.

-Directs smash hit 300, so WB says: "Here make this R rated, philosophical superhero movie (Watchmen)". Makes sense
-Watchmen has mixed response and doesn't do that well at the box office. WB: "Eh that's fine. Go make your $80 million animated owls movie"
-Legend of the Guardians doesn't do that well financially or critically. WB: "Zack baby don't worry about it. Go make your $80 million original property featuring a predominately women cast with no major stars that's about some weird convuluted thing."
-Sucker Punch doesn't do well. WB: "Yeah Sucker Punch didn't do well, but we have Superman for you. One of the most iconic characters or all time and you're going to launch our DC Cinematic Universe..."

It's just incredible how no matter how he falters, financially or critically they keep giving him more responsibility, more iconic things, and more power when it comes to making films. Remove what you think of his films. Even if you think he's one of the top directors dead or alive, logically it makes no sense. It's crazy to me, but I definitely want to know how he does it.

The only thing I can possible see that explains it is they see potential, and if I'm 100% honest I see it too. But the issue is all it is is potential. That's the only explanation I can see when it comes to Snyder. It's like WB are giving him endless chances in the hope he learns something. But it ain't my money going to waste or my brand being tarnished, so if they want to continue that's their choice.

 

[MadVillainy]

The only thing I can possible see that explains it is they see potential, and if I'm 100% honest I see it too. But the issue is all it is is potential. That's the only explanation I can see when it comes to Snyder. It's like WB are giving him endless chances in the hope he learns something. But it ain't my money going to waste or my brand being tarnished, so if they want to continue that's their choice.

I see loads of potential too, but I can see them lasting on "he shows potential" for so long. He had 3 tries to live up to his potential before MoS. Each time he didn't get there. So i still dont even get that explanation

 

[ManWithNoName18]

correct me if im wrong but I recall WB having some trouble initially trying to get a director for the Superman reboot that would become MOS. And Snyder was one of the few people who was really gunning for the project, and had a lot of enthusiasm. And I wont deny that while I don't agree with some of his visions just watch that BTS Justice League video from the other week, the guy is very enthusiastic about what he does.

Also from our own Poniboy if you chose to believe him claimed that Snyder has a lot of connections at WB that have been keeping him afloat, one of which being Charles Roven.

 

[TheCommissioner]

correct me if im wrong but I recall WB having some trouble initially trying to get a director for the Superman reboot that would become MOS. And Snyder was one of the few people who was really gunning for the project, and had a lot of enthusiasm. And I wont deny that while I don't agree with some of his visions just watch that BTS Justice League video from the other week, the guy is very enthusiastic about what he does.

Also from our own Poniboy if you chose to believe him claimed that Snyder has a lot of connections at WB that have been keeping him afloat, one of which being Charles Roven.

I think after that Superman Returns/Nicolas Cage debacle - no one was all that excited to jump on board, especially with micro management that WB is famous for

 

[Osiris-Rex]

actually not so much

him and his wife run a production company which shoulders a good portion of the cost (money and time) for producing all their films

his wife also has a lot of stroke at Warner Bros, if he goes, she goes too along with the production company

Yeah, that's what i was thinking. Deborah Snyder holds a lot of sway with Warner Bros so it seems to be give hubby these movies or lose me.

He'll do what the studio asks and won't talk back

the simplest answer is usually the right one

Look how well that worked for Warner Bros when they fired Tim Burton and replaced him with Joel Schumacher.

 

[jmc]

correct me if im wrong but I recall WB having some trouble initially trying to get a director for the Superman reboot that would become MOS. And Snyder was one of the few people who was really gunning for the project, and had a lot of enthusiasm. And I wont deny that while I don't agree with some of his visions just watch that BTS Justice League video from the other week, the guy is very enthusiastic about what he does.

Also from our own Poniboy if you chose to believe him claimed that Snyder has a lot of connections at WB that have been keeping him afloat, one of which being Charles Roven.

I believe Poinboy mentioned Snyder wasn't even in the top five directors on WB's list. From what has been indicated, essentially every first choice director turned MoS down because they didn't want the burden of doing a modern Superman movie.

 

[MadVillainy]

Which is weird. I feel like filmmakers make it too hard on themselves trying to make a Superman movie.

Obviously Im not a filmmaker, but I don't see why so many filmmakers think it'll be so hard. I feel like they only know the Donner films and feel the need to try and recreate that, but then when they realize that won't work in the modern world that either 1) it's impossible to make a modern Superman or 2) they have to deconstruct Superman

 

[TheCommissioner]

because while the paycheck and prestige are nice, its not worth a few million a-holes sending you death threats because you messed up Superman

 

[MadVillainy]

That could happen making any movie about a very popular character...