What can DC/WB do now to move forward? Is there hope?

[TeeKay]

http://deadline.com/2016/09/dc-comi...tness-time-warner-ceo-jeff-bewkes-1201823990/

Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes calls DCEU financially successful citing Suicide Squad's BoxOffice. But also says there is room for improvement and vows that DC superheroes "will have more lightness" to them.

Also re affirms Johns/Berg are in charge now

 

[Lencho01]

Heh.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

From Diane Nelson

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/wonder-woman-patty-jenkins-batman-v-superman-1201886920/

“There’s a misconception that DC or [parent studio] Warner Bros. has made a conscious decision for all our movies to be darker or edgier,” said Diane Nelson, president of DC Entertainment and resident of Warner Bros. Consumer Products. “That’s not the case.

 

[Erzengel]

“Fans of the DC universe know that there are characters, like Batman, who are darker, but there are others like Wonder Woman, who are hopeful, optimistic leaders, and the tone of this film represents that.”

Isn't Superman suppose to be a hopeful, optimistic leader? Or is that after he comes back.

And how is WW a hopeful, optimistic leader when she turned her back on the world of men between the events of WW and BvS?

 

[The Batman]

From Diane Nelson

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/wonder-woman-patty-jenkins-batman-v-superman-1201886920/

“There’s a misconception that DC or [parent studio] Warner Bros. has made a conscious decision for all our movies to be darker or edgier,” said Diane Nelson, president of DC Entertainment and resident of Warner Bros. Consumer Products. “That’s not the case.

.....Wasn't it WB who claimed their movies would be darker and edgier in the first place?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yes it was.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Isn't Superman suppose to be a hopeful, optimistic leader? Or is that after he comes back.

And how is WW a hopeful, optimistic leader when she turned her back on the world of men between the events of WW and BvS?

Yeah, Superman is supposed to be the optimistic, hopeful leader. Hopefully he can promptly fulfill that role upon return. And WW doesn't seem so far to really fit that description, and she really shouldn't.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Kevin T. Last year,

The worlds of DC are very different. They're steeped in realism, and they're a little bit edgier than Marvel's movies."

Also Gal Gadot on Wonder Woman a few months ago

In Batman v Superman, you get a glimpse of who she is but not where she comes from. In Wonder Woman, this would be the first time we ever tell the coming-of-age story of how Diana becomes Wonder Woman. It’s very interesting. It has moments of humour, but it’s pretty dark.

Read More: ‘Wonder Woman’ Solo Film Will Be ‘Pretty Dark’ | http://screencrush.com/wonder-woman-gadot-pretty-dark/?trackback=tsmclip

 

[Timebomb]

Does anybody actually know whats going on over there at WB/DC? It's scary that there is no vision and I am starting to worry that all DC is doing us lying to us. They are starting to be as two faced as well......Two face.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Post BVS there was a restructuring behind the scenes. Now it's Geoff Johns and Jon Berg both sharing a Kevin Fiege type position.

Suicide Squad was to far along for anything to be done by either. But Wonder Woman will be the first post production they supervise.

 

[brandeezy89]

Does anybody actually know whats going on over there at WB/DC? It's scary that there is no vision and I am starting to worry that all DC is doing us lying to us. They are starting to be as two faced as well......Two face.

You really think that Time Warner and the shareholders would let WB do whatever they want without a plan?

 

[MbJ]

You really think that Time Warner and the shareholders would let WB do whatever they want without a plan?

Absolutely not. However it is not at all uncommon for plans to change in the world of business. It's been documented here. At the start of the DCU the people in charge were popping off at the mouth about how their movies would be serious and edgy and dark. Then after a high profile movie that was critically savaged (and failed to perform up to par with Marvel's offering in the same summer), they've now completely changed tune and are telling everyone how light and fun their new films will be.

Even with Wonder Woman, there's the stark difference that was noted just a few posts ago. A few months back Gal Gadot was telling people it would be dark and serious. Now the director is telling everyone the movie will be optimistic and hopeful, going so far as to explicitly cite the Christopher Reeve Superman, the movie most of the DCEU's dissenters negatively contrast the franchise with, as inspiration for the WW movie.

 

[jmc]

I have to question how you have a positive and optimistic conclusion to the WW movie when she's clearly disillusioned with humanity in BvS. I genuinely believe WW was originally going to be as serious a film as Gal indicated and things have since changed. You only have to compare the early footage that was released in January to the most recent trailer to see there's a stark difference in both saturation and darkness. I feel after BvS and SS, WW is being fixed as it's going along. Whether that works out is anyone's guess.

 

[Cobblepot]

Damnit man, I liked my DC movies being dark and serious. I can do without the glitter and glam of most Marvel movies.

 

[nyyarod]

I'm praying that the WB execs don't butcher WW like they did SS in the editing room. I need this movie to be good.

 

[Erzengel]

I know it's a different scenario considering Batman and Superman are working on their 8 and 7th movie respectively, but I'd like another character to shine like how Cap does in the MCU.

 

[kguillou]

Whether WW is dark and serious or light and fun, WB just needs to trust Jenkins and let her release her own untampered with version of the movie in theaters so it can be judged on its own merits.

 

[Erzengel]

Well the fact that DC is already trying to get the WW and JL means they are trying to build up those movies as much as they can.

 

[Micromind]

I have two questions for posters here -

1. Do you consider Marvel movies to be fun and light ?

2. Is Captain America The First Avenger Fun and light movie ?

If both answers are yes, then WW can be as much fun and light as Cap America TFA.

If the answer to the first question is Yes and second is No, then WW might be similar.

If answers is No and Yes then I don't know what to say.

 

[Predator jp]

it's not all about "dark and serious" and "light and fun".
you can do "dark and fun" or "serious and light".

 

[Lily Adler]

So what is the first DC film that will be under the Johns/Berg regime?

 

[Erzengel]

Wonder Woman I believe was filming prior to the Johns/Berg regime. If they let Jenkins do their thing and if the issues are post development then yeah it "should" come together.

 

[metaphysician]

I have two questions for posters here -

1. Do you consider Marvel movies to be fun and light ?

2. Is Captain America The First Avenger Fun and light movie ?

If both answers are yes, then WW can be as much fun and light as Cap America TFA.

If the answer to the first question is Yes and second is No, then WW might be similar.

If answers is No and Yes then I don't know what to say.

Important difference: Wonder Woman isn't set in World War II. Its set in World War *I*. That makes a huge thematic difference.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Important difference: Wonder Woman isn't set in World War II. Its set in World War *I*. That makes a huge thematic difference.

it really does

WWI was a political quagmire on both sides, it was very ambiguous and it was an uglier conflict that most would like to remember

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm praying that the WB execs don't butcher WW like they did SS in the editing room. I need this movie to be good.

If WW is butchered too I think it's at a point where I dont get why anyone would work in the DCEU with WB.

Forget whether you think the movies are good or bad, who wants to work in something where your decisions are always being changed or second guessed?