The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[joker1524]

Yeah, as a fan of the character, I totally agree. Same with being a huge fan of Ra's. Nolan just doesn't get it, although, I think Bane will be closer to his counterpart than Ra's was, so at least that's something....

Ras was basically liam neeson in a suit lol

 

[Slushy]

The actor not being a pro wrestler? And to be honest with u we got that version of bane in batman and robin lol...and we all know how that turned out....i do wish hardy was a bit bulkier though

I was fine with the B&R look (they were even accurate with the transformation of the body after the use of Venom), but of course Schumacher even managed to screw that up by making Bane a mindless goon with green skin for some WTF reason.

 

[Dr. Strange]

I was fine with the B&R look (they were even accurate with the transformation of the body after the use of Venom), but of course Schumacher even managed to screw that up by making Bane a mindless goon with green skin for some WTF reason.

Clowny didnt make a good bruce in b&r. terrible actor imho.

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

I was fine with the B&R look (they were even accurate with the transformation of the body after the use of Venom), but of course Schumacher even managed to screw that up by making Bane a mindless goon with green skin for some WTF reason.

I don't remember Bane ever being a skinny little twerp. Venom doesn't literally blow you up like a balloon.

 

[Dr. Strange]

I don't remember Bane ever being a skinny little twerp. Venom doesn't literally blow you up like a balloon.

Have you gone through the comics? In Knightfall, bane is massive; twice the size of batman.

 

[Commodore]

And he said Robin was in a crib at the time of Begins, which would make him around 9-10 years old during TDKR, which doesn't make Nolan condescending.

Where did I say or imply that I think Nolan is condescending? You took every point in my post (and your own misreadings of my points) and mentioned it, so naturally I assumed that you were responding to me. Pointing out Nolan's omissions and his contradictory attitude toward the parts of the Batman mythos that aren't in his saga are valid criticisms. Like you said, if Robin is in a crib in BB, then what happens if TDKR ends with Batman putting away the mantle for good? If "Robin's in a crib," does he just stay Dick Grayson in his universe? Nolan started out trying to depict Batman's origins in a few films, and now he seems to be trying to capture the story of Batman in three episodes. It's not something we can confirm yet, but if Nolan's "completing" the story means retiring Batman, then yes, I think there has been some straying away from the view that Nolan originally gave us of this saga.

A lot of that would not be a problem if the eight year gap saw Batman living outside the law as a vigilante fighting others in his rogue's gallery, but I don't think we're going to see that.

My hope is that Nolan means he is completing his story arc: how Batman came to be the legendary caped crusader, rather than trying to complete the story of Batman. Based on what we've heard, it will be an amazing film either way, but it just bugs me for some reason.

Have you gone through the comics? In Knightfall, bane is massive; twice the size of batman.

I really don't understand why Nolan thought that a villain like Penguin wouldn't fit into his series, while Bane does. I've always had an issue with Bane being the final villain because that makes Knightfall such a pivotal influence for the film. People are going to have certain expectations about him being broken. I wish he had used a character who has been in the comics since the early years of Batman, but I since I can't think of a better villain, I've been pretty quiet about my dislike of his choosing Bane.

It seems to me that Nolan has created a very interesting final villain for Bruce to face, but I don't think he's the Bane of the comics, while I think the Joker is in more ways than not a good representation of the comics Joker in his darkest moments.

 

[Naked Shia]

Have you gone through the comics? In Knightfall, bane is massive; twice the size of batman.

Like he said, Bane wasn't your average joe even before he used venom. He was already massive. He didn't suddenly become a giant when he used venom.

 

[StarLord]

Ras was basically liam neeson in a suit lol

Much like Batman is basically Christian Bale in a Batman costume?

That's a silly analysis.

 

[Batman jr.]

Penguin was basically Danny DeVito in a costume.

 

[Naked Shia]

you mean it's not the real Oswald Cobblepot in BR?

 

[Batman jr.]

you mean it's not the real Oswald Cobblepot in BR?

Burton doesn't get it. I met Oswald, and believe me, he's much more sophisticated.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

The only thing I don't like about this movie so far: it's not out yet. The 20th can't get here soon enough.

 

[Batman jr.]

Ok, the one thing I don't "like" so far is

Spoiler

Crane not being Scarecrow

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

If you paid attention, my gripe was with the incoherency of Nolan's original "vision." First he plans for this to just be our introduction to the character, leaving open an infinite universe/space for Batman to be the legend that his experiences in BB and TDK groomed him to be, leaving room for his ongoing trials with the Joker; now we're facing the possibility that this will be the end of Batman. It doesn't make sense to me to limit his "vision" so based on what I remember from BB interviews.

This is exactly my problem and I too was hoping Dent's memorial was a cover-up.

 

[joker1524]

Much like Batman is basically Christian Bale in a Batman costume?

That's a silly analysis.

Your clearly missing the point....liam was basically just playing himself...too bad bb didnt flesh him out more...liam could have done alot more with the role if written better

 

[sqwhale]

Have you gone through the comics? In Knightfall, bane is massive; twice the size of batman.

Read the comics again. Bane is not a skinny punk before he uses venom. He is already built and pretty bulky before he uses venom.

Bane in B&R was super lame. He looked silly and was an idiot. And I can't believe anyone would want Bane to wear a luchidore(sp?) mask in Nolans film. What looks neat in the comic would/could look incredibly lame live action.

 

[TanneRain]

Where did I say or imply that I think Nolan is condescending? You took every point in my post (and your own misreadings of my points) and mentioned it, so naturally I assumed that you were responding to me. Pointing out Nolan's omissions and his contradictory attitude toward the parts of the Batman mythos that aren't in his saga are valid criticisms. Like you said, if Robin is in a crib in BB, then what happens if TDKR ends with Batman putting away the mantle for good? If "Robin's in a crib," does he just stay Dick Grayson in his universe? Nolan started out trying to depict Batman's origins in a few films, and now he seems to be trying to capture the story of Batman in three episodes. It's not something we can confirm yet, but if Nolan's "completing" the story means retiring Batman, then yes, I think there has been some straying away from the view that Nolan originally gave us of this saga.

A lot of that would not be a problem if the eight year gap saw Batman living outside the law as a vigilante fighting others in his rogue's gallery, but I don't think we're going to see that.

My hope is that Nolan means he is completing his story arc: how Batman came to be the legendary caped crusader, rather than trying to complete the story of Batman. Based on what we've heard, it will be an amazing film either way, but it just bugs me for some reason.



I really don't understand why Nolan thought that a villain like Penguin wouldn't fit into his series, while Bane does. I've always had an issue with Bane being the final villain because that makes Knightfall such a pivotal influence for the film. People are going to have certain expectations about him being broken. I wish he had used a character who has been in the comics since the early years of Batman, but I since I can't think of a better villain, I've been pretty quiet about my dislike of his choosing Bane.

It seems to me that Nolan has created a very interesting final villain for Bruce to face, but I don't think he's the Bane of the comics, while I think the Joker is in more ways than not a good representation of the comics Joker in his darkest moments.

He picked Bane because he can actually go toe to toe with Batman without sending hundreds of goons at him and having whacky or smaller plans. He's said why he picked Bane. And I see movies like Batman Returns, while a good Batman film, as a little underwhelming due to neither villain being able to really do anything to Batman besides having schemes or goons. And it's not like Nolan is ending the mythos of Batman, this is his story, he wrote it, and there have been changes made along the way. If Robin is in a crib at the beginning of BB, and Batman retires in this film without meeting him, so what? How does that dampen the experience in any way, as far as we know, he's never met Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, etc. So why would it matter?

 

[TanneRain]

This is exactly my problem and I too was hoping Dent's memorial was a cover-up.

For one, the actor who played the Joker died and was a dear friend to most if not all of the crew. So that kind of throws that out the window for them doing battle forever, on screen at least. I'm sure someone could write comics based on the Nolanverse or adapting from it and give some great stories. We're just not going to see it on screen.

 

[StarLord]

Your clearly missing the point....liam was basically just playing himself...too bad bb didnt flesh him out more...liam could have done alot more with the role if written better

I think that's quite harsh.

Liam did a great job.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Apparently being a silent guardian & watchful protector comes with the job perk of an 8 year vacation. Superman would be incredibly cross with Bruce.

Also, Batman is still a thug in a suit and NOT the expert martial artist, super detective and genius scientist he is supposed to be.

 

[Commodore]

He picked Bane because he can actually go toe to toe with Batman without sending hundreds of goons at him and having whacky or smaller plans. He's said why he picked Bane. And I see movies like Batman Returns, while a good Batman film, as a little underwhelming due to neither villain being able to really do anything to Batman besides having schemes or goons.

I know why he picked Bane. How is that responsive to what I said above?

I really don't understand why Nolan thought that a villain like Penguin wouldn't fit into his series, while Bane does. I've always had an issue with Bane being the final villain because that makes Knightfall such a pivotal influence for the film. People are going to have certain expectations about him being broken. I wish he had used a character who has been in the comics since the early years of Batman, but since I can't think of a better villain [for this final act], I've been pretty quiet about my dislike of his choosing Bane.

I know why Nolan says he picked Bane. I don't know why he took that direction to focus on the physicality of Batman. I don't know why a Venom-pumped hulk of a man in a luchadore mask can be adapted to this series, but a long-nosed aristocrat gangster with a thing for umbrellas cannot. I'm not saying Penguin would have been a better choice, but I don't understand why he thinks some things fit his vision and others do not.

And it's not like Nolan is ending the mythos of Batman, this is his story, he wrote it, and there have been changes made along the way. If Robin is in a crib at the beginning of BB, and Batman retires in this film without meeting him, so what? How does that dampen the experience in any way, as far as we know, he's never met Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, etc. So why would it matter?

Because that limits Batman. Begins seemed like the first step into a wider world in which Batman exists.

For one, the actor who played the Joker died and was a dear friend to most if not all of the crew. So that kind of throws that out the window for them doing battle forever, on screen at least. I'm sure someone could write comics based on the Nolanverse or adapting from it and give some great stories. We're just not going to see it on screen.

That's sort of my point. No one expected to see more of the Joker and Batman duking it out forever on screen once Ledger died; that's supposed to be left for the future of Batman off-screen. If Nolan does end his Batman with this film, he is limiting the scope of the Nolanverse so that any potential comics to give great stories would have no place. He may be creating a Batman that exists only for a brief time from Begins to the end of the Dark Knight, and then resurfaces for a few months eight years later. I don't like that aspect of it, but I don't know if that's what we're getting yet.

 

[sqwhale]

Apparently being a silent guardian & watchful protector comes with the job perk of an 8 year vacation. Superman would be incredibly cross with Bruce.

Also, Batman is still a thug in a suit and NOT the expert martial artist, super detective and genius scientist he is supposed to be.

Yeah! And why is he wearing armor? How stupid! He should be wearing tights! How dare this trilogy change anything from the comics and make things mote grounded! Durr.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

That's sort of my point. No one expected to see more of the Joker and Batman duking it out forever on screen once Ledger died; that's supposed to be left for the future of Batman off-screen. If Nolan does end his Batman with this film, he is limiting the scope of the Nolanverse so that any potential comics to give great stories would have no place. He may be creating a Batman that exists only for a brief time from Begins to the end of the Dark Knight, and then resurfaces for a few months eight years later. I don't like that aspect of it, but I don't know if that's what we're getting yet.

Spot on.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Yeah! And why is he wearing armor? How stupid! He should be wearing tights! How dare this trilogy change anything from the comics and make things mote grounded! Durr.

There is nothing unrealistic about being a competent martial artist and having an engineering degree. It's fiction at the end of the day. Bruce Wayne disappeared and traveled the world for precisely this purpose. At least he should be one man forensics team since he does try to solve crimes. He's too dependent on Lucius Fox. Although TDK did a better job of this with some detective moments.

 

[The Joker]

Ras was basically liam neeson in a suit lol

That he was. All of Ra's theatrical elements were stripped from him. From his costume to the Lazarus pits.