The Dark Knight Rises What do you not like about the movie?

[zmystico]

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I agree Bane's death was a little anti-dramatic, but I definitely loved the 2nd fight. In the first fight, Bruce essentially put on a leg brace and went after him...after dispatching of several thugs along the way. In the 2nd fight, he's actually been able to train a little. I know I know the training is nothing it's the will to act...bite me...Bruce PHYSICALLY was in better conditioning this time around. With that said, he doesn't really beat up Bane, he gets lucky and manages to land a good combination of punches to loosen a tube on Bane's mask. It doesn't completely weaken him, but it is enough to get Batman the upper hand.

It's very much like in boxing/UFC, if you can stun your opponent and jump onto of them, you can pull off the upset.

Talia's death was a bit out of place, she actually does quite a bit of monologing (think The Incredibles)

I too dislike Robin but was ok with John Blake.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Miranda just wanted to play with Bruce's emotions and state of mind. She even used Rachel and his parents. I knew she was going to stab him in the back later on in the movie.

I think that some problems of this movie lies in the fact that is extremely predictable. It was very clear from day one that JGL was going to be Nolan's Robin and Marion was Talia so that took some of the fun from me as well.

I have watched the movie with my family. They don't know these characters except the ones in previous movies, so they were very suprised Miranda is the villain & Ra's daughter...and Blake is Robin. I envy them. It was predictable for only comic fans actually.

Nolan does those things for general audience who aren't familiar with comics. They are pretty cool twists if you don't know much about Batman. Then there are scenes like breaking Batman like in comics for fanboys. And then homage to Darth Vader for movie fanatics. Everybody gets their share.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

What i didn't like the way how Blake figuring out Bruce is Batman. There are couple of things as well but they are nitpicks to be honest.

I just didn't like the way Blake knew Bruce was Batman that way.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

From what I'm reading here TDKR sounds like Spider-Man 2. A slow boring movie that most fans say is great but is really awful. A lot of what i'm reading sounds ridiculous.

Like Spidey 2 I think Nolan tried too hard to be artsy. All he had to do is tell a simple story and instead gave us this meandering mess.

If you like new school action movies like Avengers & Transformers etc, it might get boring. But if you like old school action movies like Terminator 2,Blade Runner etc. you might like it.

One thing for sure, it's full of action but not cartoony. Not a slow movie, somber but the one with most action.

I wish you have watched the movie before spoiled this much. I wasn't on boards after movie was on theathers until now. I'm sure i would enjoy a lot more if some important things wasn't spoiled before.

 

[JackWhite]

Getting ready to go for my second viewing in about an hour. I'm actually, at least I think, more exited to see this for the second time. It's true, following the movie, especially on the hype, ruined my first time watching it in certain ways. I don't regret a thing about anticipating this movie with you guys though. But I'm psyched to really be able to pay attention to the subtle details in the film, that will of course lead up to the money shots/action beats.

When I watched TDK for the second and third time on DVD that is when I knew that it was a masterpiece, IMO. I knew it was the bees knees when I first saw it in theaters, but it wasn't until I re-watched it again, and again, noticing the nuances and quirks about each performance and plot point; that I knew it was indeed a gem.

 

[Anton Furst]

Throughout the trilogy there is a theme that annoys the hell out of me.

But before I get to that I just want to say that overall, I love the trilogy. Its does so much right. The villains are handled expertly. The plots are great. The action, the acting, all top-notch.

But there are MASSIVE problems, like

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Alfred walking out on Bruce. Alfred would never abandon Bruce, he's with him to the bitter end. Right or wrong, Alfred is there for Bruce, for the journey.

Not in TDKR though!

In BATMAN BEGINS Bruce Wayne is ready to quit being Batman so he can settle down with Rachel and have a normal life. BS!

In THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Bruce is again looking for a way out. Again, BS.

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There is a scene in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES that gives me hope, Bruce says to Alfred that after the death of Rachel there is nothing left for him to live for except the Batman. THIS is the Batman from the comics. The Batman is not only dedicated, he's obsessed, for him, THERE IS NO CHOICE. He didn't choose the life, the life choose him.
As Rachel says in Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne is dead, that boy never survived the night his parents died. He died in that alley with them.

But then what do we find at the conclusion of TDKR? A F**KING HAPPY ENDING!

WTF?

This is BATMAN, The DARK Knight! Batman

Spoiler

doesn't RETIRE!
Batman doesn't give up.
The Batman of Nolan's trillogy is only interested in fighting ORGANIZED crime, the REAL Batman is obsessed to eradicating ALL crime, street crime, petty crime, burglary, rape, murder etc...

The Batman doesn't QUIT. EVER.

Its a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of the dark knight. How can Nolan get so much right, and yet miss the point of Batman ENTIRELY???

I bloody love the trilogy, and yet I bloody hate it as well. Arh!

 

[UaalaDan]

Completely agree!

 

[munchie64]

Throughout the trilogy there is a theme that annoys the hell out of me.

But before I get to that I just want to say that overall, I love the trilogy. Its does so much right. The villains are handled expertly. The plots are great. The action, the acting, all top-notch.

But there are MASSIVE problems, like

Spoiler

Alfred walking out on Bruce. Alfred would never abandon Bruce, he's with him to the bitter end. Right or wrong, Alfred is there for Bruce, for the journey.

Not in TDKR though!

In BATMAN BEGINS Bruce Wayne is ready to quit being Batman so he can settle down with Rachel and have a normal life. BS!

In THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Bruce is again looking for a way out. Again, BS.

Spoiler

There is a scene in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES that gives me hope, Bruce says to Alfred that after the death of Rachel there is nothing left for him to live for except the Batman. THIS is the Batman from the comics. The Batman is not only dedicated, he's obsessed, for him, THERE IS NO CHOICE. He didn't choose the life, the life choose him.
As Rachel says in Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne is dead, that boy never survived the night his parents died. He died in that alley with them.

But then what do we find at the conclusion of TDKR? A F**KING HAPPY ENDING!

WTF?

This is BATMAN, The DARK Knight! Batman

Spoiler

doesn't RETIRE!
Batman doesn't give up.
The Batman of Nolan's trillogy is only interested in fighting ORGANIZED crime, the REAL Batman is obsessed to eradicating ALL crime, street crime, petty crime, burglary, rape, murder etc...

The Batman doesn't QUIT. EVER.

Its a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of the dark knight. How can Nolan get so much right, and yet miss the point of Batman ENTIRELY???

I bloody love the trilogy, and yet I bloody hate it as well. Arh!

 

[lililatigresse]

Throughout the trilogy there is a theme that annoys the hell out of me.

But before I get to that I just want to say that overall, I love the trilogy. Its does so much right. The villains are handled expertly. The plots are great. The action, the acting, all top-notch.

But there are MASSIVE problems, like

Spoiler

Alfred walking out on Bruce. Alfred would never abandon Bruce, he's with him to the bitter end. Right or wrong, Alfred is there for Bruce, for the journey.

Not in TDKR though!

In BATMAN BEGINS Bruce Wayne is ready to quit being Batman so he can settle down with Rachel and have a normal life. BS!

In THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Bruce is again looking for a way out. Again, BS.

Spoiler

There is a scene in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES that gives me hope, Bruce says to Alfred that after the death of Rachel there is nothing left for him to live for except the Batman. THIS is the Batman from the comics. The Batman is not only dedicated, he's obsessed, for him, THERE IS NO CHOICE. He didn't choose the life, the life choose him.
As Rachel says in Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne is dead, that boy never survived the night his parents died. He died in that alley with them.

But then what do we find at the conclusion of TDKR? A F**KING HAPPY ENDING!

WTF?

This is BATMAN, The DARK Knight! Batman

Spoiler

doesn't RETIRE!
Batman doesn't give up.
The Batman of Nolan's trillogy is only interested in fighting ORGANIZED crime, the REAL Batman is obsessed to eradicating ALL crime, street crime, petty crime, burglary, rape, murder etc...

The Batman doesn't QUIT. EVER.

Its a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of the dark knight. How can Nolan get so much right, and yet miss the point of Batman ENTIRELY???

I bloody love the trilogy, and yet I bloody hate it as well. Arh!

Jesus, thank you for this post!!!!!!!!!
This is EXACTLY how I feel and I felt like I was the only one shocked by this. I mean we had people being freaking furious about The Joker not being perma-white but they didn't even bat a lid about this!!!!

I 100% agree that Nolan totally missed the point about Batman.

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The truth is Batman doesn't want a normal life with wife and kids (sorry, Nolan's Alfred), he wants to fight crime ans yes, it's pathetic and he's going to be forever alone blah blah blah, but this is Batman. Batman is not some normal guy.
And I really thought this film would be about Bruce finally accepting this (And if Nolan's Alfred is not happy, he can go wash some dishes or leave since that's what he does best).
But, no, Nolan wanted his Disney ending so the GA would be happy and who cares if he totally changed the psychology of the character?!

Sorry, in this film it's not Batman, it's about a guy name Bruce Wayne who is rich and dresses like Batman but he's not Batman.
Now, let's bring the reboot!

 

[lililatigresse]

I think you should definitely read it again. Because I don't think you got the part about him deciding what a good life would be and obviously, Nolan did not either.
The point of The Dark Knight Returns is that Batman does not give up and he doesn't retire even if you think he has. And you know why? Because he loves that, he has dedicated his life to fighting crime and he loves that. This is the freaking meaning of his life!

 

[munchie64]

I think you should definitely read it again. Because I don't think you got the part about him deciding what a good life would be and obviously, Nolan did not either.

Hey I was was just joking. I'm done arguing with people who "know" Batman. Thought I may as well joke instead. Don't question my knowledge of Dark Knight Returns.

 

[lililatigresse]

Hey I was was just joking. I'm done arguing with people who "know" Batman. Thought I may as well joke instead. Don't question my knowledge of Dark Knight Returns.

Well, excuse me for being interested in the psychology of the characters and for being mad that Nolan changed what I think is the most important aspect of Batman.
I'm sorry I think this is more important than knowing how Bruce returned to Gotham or Catwoman's voice/costume.
But yeah, let's all laugh about it, after all it's only a film and a character from a comic!

 

[munchie64]

Well, excuse me for being interested in the psychology of the characters and for being mad that Nolan changed what I think is the most important aspect of Batman.
I'm sorry I think this is more important than knowing how Bruce returned to Gotham or Catwoman's voice/costume.
But yeah, let's all laugh about it, after all it's only a film and a character from a comic!

Fair enough. I just disagree. The character was handled perfectly. And you're right it's just a film.

 

[TanneRain]

People whining about Batman not ever quitting or how it doesn't 100% coincide with the comics you read, need to go outside or loosen up, something at least. This is one realistic take on Batman among thousands of other interpretations. Nolan chose to tell Bruce Wayne's story through a realistic scope, and in this interpretation Bruce stopped being Batman. Big deal, it doesn't ruin your childhood, it affects nothing. I just don't get the constant complaining about him not being Batman for the 8 years and then finishing at the end. This was toted as the end, Batman lives on at the end of the film very clearly. And Bruce was 39 years old or so at the conclusion, how long could a man really fight crime from that age on?

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

I don't like the end of the villains. Bane's death shouldn't be in Catwoman's hands. Talia's death scene under the gaze of Batman, Catwoman and Gordon is very very awkward. Two romantic interests is too much, as a result two interesting and complex characters were reduced. The fact that both Batman (throughout the trilogy) and Catwoman want to stop their lifestyle is extremely disappointing.

 

[Boom]

Batman's belligerent screaming at Bane at the end of the second fight had me rolling.

 

[craigdbfan]

Batman's belligerent screaming at Bane at the end of the second fight had me rolling.

That was awesome. He took it beyond parody and became something else entirely.

"Argh, ugh, Cover the doors. Wherza da twigeraaaahz! Wherea iz it!? AAAAAAHH You'da neerer grive it to an ooorinarie cirrrezen! Wherea iz it! *starts getting tired* whereaizit...?"

 

[Boom]

That was awesome. He took it beyond parody and became something else entirely.

"Argh, ugh, Cover the doors. Wherza da twigeraaaahz! Wherea iz it!? AAAAAAHH You'da neerer grive it to an ooorinarie cirrrezen! Wherea iz it! *starts getting tired* whereaizit...?"

 

[Anton Furst]

Spoiler

Bruce leaves the cave to Blake but sells the manor to the city?

A couple of more things that annoy me...
Huh? How exactly is that gonna work for Blake? Wouldn't it have made sense for Bruce to leave Blake the house AND the cave?

Spoiler

2 minutes to live before the city explodes and catwoman decides THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO SHARE A SNOG WITH BATMAN?

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Spoiler

Bruce leaves the cave to Blake but sells the manor to the city?

A couple of more things that annoy me...
Huh? How exactly is that gonna work for Blake? Wouldn't it have made sense for Bruce to leave Blake the house AND the cave?

Spoiler

2 minutes to live before the city explodes and catwoman decides THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO SHARE A SNOG WITH BATMAN?

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1) At first it annoyed me, but I thik blake will work with the city and help the boys at the home in hi day life, and keep the symbol of Batman, or Nightwing, alive by night, serving the city in a better way than he sees the police as doing such. That way if he stays at the orphanage, he can slip away into the cave.

2) Plenty of movies have that near death moment of romance. I know we like to pretend Nolan's films are above and beyond all other cinema, but they are just really great films, and if Selena really thought Batman was going out, than I can totally see her doing it then.

 

[BlackFox]

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2 minutes to live before the city explodes and catwoman decides THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO SHARE A SNOG WITH BATMAN?

Surely thats the BEST time for that sort of activity, tomorrow might be too late!!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

You know, I've had time to think about it. And the 'Robin' did bother me. But, now not really.

I would have been bothered if they'd gone with another one, because he wasn't exactly any one of them. Going with 'Robin' instead actually makes sense when you consider that.

 

[The Guard]

No, naming him "John Blake" makes sense when you consider that. Naming him "Robin" is just pandering.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Alfred's exposition concerning Bane and the LOS, my god was that terrible. Couldn't we have gotten a scene of Alfred or Bruce discovering this while on the Bat computer researching Bane instead? The Joker scene worked because Alfred's story was a metaphor comparing him to a man from his storied past to a naive Bruce Wayne, punctuated by that almost ghost like shot of Joker in the Bat PC. It was frickin poetry. The Bane exposition was painfully literal.

 

[Mito88]

Spoiler

Bruce leaves the cave to Blake but sells the manor to the city?

A couple of more things that annoy me...
Huh? How exactly is that gonna work for Blake? Wouldn't it have made sense for Bruce to leave Blake the house AND the cave?

Spoiler

2 minutes to live before the city explodes and catwoman decides THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO SHARE A SNOG WITH BATMAN?

the idea of blake becoming batman/robin/nightwing makes me want to puke, let alone having "robin" be has actual name.. seriously, what kind of BS is that nolan? Its incredibly annoying how he decided to end this, i loved BB and TDK but damm what a let down.

i also agree that having alfred constantly *****ing at bruce about being batman got old fast. Bruce Wayne loves to be Batman, and i never truly got that feeling in TDK and TDKR.