He was only in the League because of Talia. Remember he says "I am the League." Indicating he's its only member, because outside of Talia- he is the only member. Again- Talia.
Yes he needs motivation. He's not a psycho like Joker- that's the Joker's motivation. Remember what Alfred said about him? Some people just like to watch the world burn- or something to that affect.
Any good character needs motivation. Without Talia Bane doesn't have any motivation.
While I can't go so far as to say that Bane has no motivation beyond Talia, I would concede that one of the main problems with Bane in general is that the character was created as a gimmick. back in the 90s and as such, his character lacked much motivation after breaking the bat. That's basically all he's known for, and beyond that theres nothing more really there. Yeah Nolan followed the comics with some of the LOS and Talia stuff, but other then that Bane isn't really a character with much to chew on. Neither is Talia IMO. Unfortunately Nolan didn't really add much to depth or motivation to him beyond just redoing what Ras wanted to do.
[*]Not really a gripe, but part of me wishes that we only saw Alfred smile and nod at the cafe in Florence at the end - I wish we didn't get the shot of Selina and Bruce, just to have a bit of mystery about it.
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I wouldn't want to leave Alfred with that burden... especially after we see him weeping at the graves of Bruce, Thomas and Martha. The old man has been through a lot and deserves some modicum of happiness. He deserves to have his "faith rewarded."
Well, to me there's a difference between what I want to see, and what I feel I need to see to have the full experience of art. I realize I'm in the minority on this one.
Also, how the hell Talia cuts Batman with a knife does not cause Batman to seek first aid right after and he is able to fly the bat without looking injured?
Also, how the hell Talia cuts Batman with a knife does not cause Batman to seek first aid right after and he is able to fly the bat without looking injured?
In all 3 movies, Batman get's stabbed/injured and immediatly is able to go out and kick ass/fly/drive something. It's an "Eh...Bruce can deal with a stabbing/wound for a while." type thing to me.
I guess the Lazarus pit have super healing powers.
Lazarus Pits are composed of a unique unknown chemical blend that bubbles up somewhere within the Earth's crust to the surface at key points on Earth, typically at the junction of ley lines. The substance possesses the ability to rejuvenate the sick, injured and even resurrect the dead.
-Bane having an almost immediate death. I know he fullfilled his purpose but a last glimpse at his dying body woulnt hurt anyone, maybe adding a final conversation with Batman about sparing Miranda. Bane deserved that. It was a good idea to add some humanity to Bane in last seconds. Just like in comics, he was a pure soul forged into evil by others. Almost shred a tear for my favourite Batman villain of all times when Talia said her last goodbye to his mentor.
-A bit longer "mask Broken Bane" going feral scenes. He was awesome in those final moments and I was like holy f***! Only if he had some stable perception, he'd destroy Batman easily.
-Talia death was a bit quick too. She was a good surprising character. At least she had her last words.
-John Robin Blake being a gunslinger rather than fighter. I just cant accept Batman hanging his cape to a rookie cop without fighting skills. He was a trainer all right, he'd had some high level melee combat skill. Instead he pulled a gun on everyone and killed some. What the hell Robin? How are you gonna handle yourself in future? Gattrobinlings? RobinSuperRocketLauncher? At least have a dojo staff or something!
I think its amazing that George Lucas got the voice of the villain right in 1970 and it became one of the most spine chilling voices of all time with minimal technology and in 2012, Bane's voice is so controversial and you can barely understand it.
Throughout the trilogy there is a theme that annoys the hell out of me.
But before I get to that I just want to say that overall, I love the trilogy. Its does so much right. The villains are handled expertly. The plots are great. The action, the acting, all top-notch.
But there are MASSIVE problems, like
Alfred walking out on Bruce. Alfred would never abandon Bruce, he's with him to the bitter end. Right or wrong, Alfred is there for Bruce, for the journey.
Not in TDKR though!
In BATMAN BEGINS Bruce Wayne is ready to quit being Batman so he can settle down with Rachel and have a normal life. BS!
In THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Bruce is again looking for a way out. Again, BS.
There is a scene in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES that gives me hope, Bruce says to Alfred that after the death of Rachel there is nothing left for him to live for except the Batman. THIS is the Batman from the comics. The Batman is not only dedicated, he's obsessed, for him, THERE IS NO CHOICE. He didn't choose the life, the life choose him.
As Rachel says in Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne is dead, that boy never survived the night his parents died. He died in that alley with them.
But then what do we find at the conclusion of TDKR? A F**KING HAPPY ENDING!
WTF?
This is BATMAN, The DARK Knight! Batman
doesn't RETIRE!
Batman doesn't give up.
The Batman of Nolan's trillogy is only interested in fighting ORGANIZED crime, the REAL Batman is obsessed to eradicating ALL crime, street crime, petty crime, burglary, rape, murder etc...
The Batman doesn't QUIT. EVER.
Its a FUNDAMENTAL aspect of the dark knight. How can Nolan get so much right, and yet miss the point of Batman ENTIRELY???
I bloody love the trilogy, and yet I bloody hate it as well. Arh!
That's the whole point of Batman. Batman wants to rid Gotham of ALL crime. And Bruce Wayne is literally sacrificing his life to make sure others don't lose their lives like he did when he was eight years old.
There's just so much out of character with this film. Again like Raimi in the last 2 Spider-Man films, Nolan went on an artistic tangent and missed the point of who Batman is and what he's about.
The end of TDKR should have been Batman standing on that rooftop with the batsignal in the sky like the 89' film. The movie should have concluded with Batman ready to continue as Gotham City's guardian.
That's the whole point of Batman. Batman wants to rid Gotham of ALL crime. And Bruce Wayne is literally sacrificing his life to make sure others don't lose their lives like he did when he was eight years old.
There's just so much out of character with this film. Again like Raimi in the last 2 Spider-Man films, Nolan went on an artistic tangent and missed the point of who Batman is and what he's about.
The end of TDKR should have been Batman standing on that rooftop with the batsignal in the sky like the 89' film. The movie should have concluded with Batman ready to continue as Gotham City's guardian.
That's the whole point of Batman. Batman wants to rid Gotham of ALL crime. And Bruce Wayne is literally sacrificing his life to make sure others don't lose their lives like he did when he was eight years old.
There's just so much out of character with this film. Again like Raimi in the last 2 Spider-Man films, Nolan went on an artistic tangent and missed the point of who Batman is and what he's about.
The end of TDKR should have been Batman standing on that rooftop with the batsignal in the sky like the 89' film. The movie should have concluded with Batman ready to continue as Gotham City's guardian.
Christopher Nolan explores Batman's mortality. The ending pays homage to The Dark Knight Returns, but also parallels the meaning in Willie Wonka's soliloquy for bequeathing the factory to Charlie Bucket. The Batman mythos is nearly eighty years old, but the comic book's reality suspends time for continuity. Otherwise, someone older than Michael Caine should perform the roll of Bruce Wayne if taken into context with the comic book's chronology. In Tim Burton's interpretation, Batman kills the Joker to satisfy his vengeance, thus eliminating the intrinsic motivation to be a guardian. The Dark Knight Rises preserves continuity with the passing of the Batman mantle. Batman probably needs to inquire about Nick Fury's anti-aging serum.
Christopher Nolan explores Batman's mortality. The ending pays homage to The Dark Knight Returns, but also parallels the meaning in Willie Wonka's soliloquy for bequeathing the factory to Charlie Bucket.
Sure, there's homages to The Dark Knight Returns, but one thing you have to remember, is that TDKReturns is an Elseworld tale. It too deviates from who the Batman character is in the comics. That's the entire point of Elseworld tales.
In Tim Burton's interpretation, Batman kills the Joker to satisfy his vengeance, thus eliminating the intrinsic motivation to be a guardian.
No, Batman didn't intentionally kill Joker in B89. He was trying to stop him from going in the helicopter, so he hooked his leg to the gargoyle. The head came off, and dragged The Joker down, and he fell because of it.
Did he kill him? Sure, but it was just as unintentional as when Batman killed Two-Face in TDK.
Sure, it pays homage to The Dark Knight Returns, but one thing you have to remember, is that TDKReturns is an Elseworld tale. It too deviates from who the Batman character is in the comics. That's the entire point of Elseworld tales.
No, Batman didn't intentionally kill Joker in B89. He was trying to stop him from going in the helicopter, so he hooked his leg to the gargoyle. The head came off, and dragged The Joker down, and he fell because of it.
Did he kill him? Sure, but it was just as unintentional as when Batman killed Two-Face in TDK.
The Elseworld comic line did not even exist in 1986. The Batman character would reach its fiftieth anniversary three years later. Frank Miller explored the character within the context of the nearly fifty year chronology. Miller preserves the continuity with the Joker's rehabilitation, Harvey Dent's reconstructive surgery, Selina Kyle's Rubenesque body, and Bruce Wayne's grey hair. Only Superman remains unchanged due to his otherworldy attributes. Tim Burton's movie epitomizes what we recognize as an "Elseworld," but it also applies to Christopher Nolan's interpretation. Batman unequivocally kills in Burton's first film. He emphatically states to the Joker, "I am going to kill you" and proceeds to justify his motive while pummeling him. He uses the bolo to prevent missing the opportunity to kill him. Otherwise, would it not seem reasonable to let the Joker escape to catch him later and has this not been a conventional plot for nearly eighty years now? Furthermore, Batman kills the Joker's goons when he deploys the Batmobile's armor to detonate those charges.
The Elseworld comic line did not even exist in 1986. The Batman character would reach its fiftieth anniversary three years later. Frank Miller explored the character within the context of the nearly fifty year chronology. Miller preserves the continuity with the Joker's rehabilitation, Harvey Dent's reconstructive surgery, Selina Kyle's Rubenesque body, and Bruce Wayne's grey hair. Only Superman remains unchanged due to his otherworldy attributes. Tim Burton's movie epitomizes what we recognize as an "Elseworld," but it also applies to Christopher Nolan's interpretation. Batman unequivocally kills in Burton's first film. He emphatically states to the Joker, "I am going to kill you" and proceeds to justify his motive while pummeling him. He uses the bolo to prevent missing the opportunity to kill him. Otherwise, would it not seem reasonable to let the Joker escape to catch him later and has this not been a conventional plot for nearly eighty years now? Furthermore, Batman kills the Joker's goons when he deploys the Batmobile's armor to detonate those charges.
Before Elseworld existed, they where called Imaginary Stories. The official name and stamp happened in 1989, but any Imaginary Story is still considered Elseworld. If you go and look in the official DC database, The Dark Knight Returns is under Elseworld.
People whining about Batman not ever quitting or how it doesn't 100% coincide with the comics you read, need to go outside or loosen up, something at least. This is one realistic take on Batman among thousands of other interpretations. Nolan chose to tell Bruce Wayne's story through a realistic scope, and in this interpretation Bruce stopped being Batman. Big deal, it doesn't ruin your childhood, it affects nothing. I just don't get the constant complaining about him not being Batman for the 8 years and then finishing at the end. This was toted as the end, Batman lives on at the end of the film very clearly. And Bruce was 39 years old or so at the conclusion, how long could a man really fight crime from that age on?
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