What do you think of Ron Paul?

[hippie_hunter]

Why do you go for?

 

[bored]

The Daily Kos is nothing more than left wing garbage. And an article like this shows that they don't take a look at any other views than their own.

Paul's pro-life stance comes from the fact that he's an OB/GYN and delivered numerous babies. His votes against actions in Darfur, the United Nations, NAFTA, etc. come from his isolationist beleifs. The rest of his votes come from his beleif in smaller government and that the government has no right to interfere in such affairs.

But he still holds those beliefs. I don't care much for isolationism, myself.

 

[Showtime]

I just read this guy raised about 4.2 Million in one night.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I just read this guy raised about 4.2 Million in one night.

That $4.2 million is raising up to $7.4 million as of this moment.

 

[hippie_hunter]

But he still holds those beliefs. I don't care much for isolationism, myself.

While I'm not as extreme as Paul is in his isolationist beliefs (I don't think we should leave the United Nations, NAFTA, or NATO), I feel that we do need a bit of isolationism now more than ever. Pull out of the Middle East, stop thinking that we're the police of the world, stop being so damn arrogant to other nations, stop interfering with other nations politics, no more nation building, etc. We really could use that for our country.

 

[Showtime]

That $4.2 million is raising up to $7.4 million as of this moment.

Wowzers.

 

[bored]

While I'm not as extreme as Paul is in his isolationist beliefs (I don't think we should leave the United Nations, NAFTA, or NATO), I feel that we do need a bit of isolationism now more than ever. Pull out of the Middle East, stop thinking that we're the police of the world, stop being so damn arrogant to other nations, stop interfering with other nations politics, no more nation building, etc. We really could use that for our country.

See, I don't see that as isolationism. I see that as logical foreign policy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

See, I don't see that as isolationism. I see that as logical foreign policy.

And that's what Dr. Paul beleives in. Chances are that if he were President, we wouldn't be able to get out of the United Nations or NATO or NAFTA anyways due to Congressional resistance.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Wowzers.

What makes this even more astonishing is that he has raised more money than John McCain has, this isn't counting the money raised before November 5, and his $4.2 million fundraiser yesterday is a GOP record.

 

[TBadora]

Do the Candidates get to keep the left over money they raised if they don't win?

 

[EdRyder]

Do the Candidates get to keep the left over money they raised if they don't win?

Thats affirmative sir!
roger roger,.over and out

Edit:That goes for the winners as well

 

[BlackLantern]

like I said before....ron pauls' support is so spread out....is there any particular state that is overly supporting him....

 

[EdRyder]

TBadaora =

Heres an overview of 2004 presidential elections total reciept versus total spending.

Bush-Total Receipts: $367,228,801
Total Spent: $345,259,155
Cash on Hand: $19,291,231
Debts: $1,710,964

Kerry-Total Receipts: $328,479,245
Total Spent: $309,708,090
Cash on Hand: $18,794,154
Debts: $4,175,901

 

[BlackLantern]

7 million doesnt go as far as it used to....

 

[TBadora]

TBadaora =

Heres an overview of 2004 presidential elections total reciept versus total spending.

Bush-Total Receipts: $367,228,801
Total Spent: $345,259,155
Cash on Hand: $19,291,231
Debts: $1,710,964

Kerry-Total Receipts: $328,479,245
Total Spent: $309,708,090
Cash on Hand: $18,794,154
Debts: $4,175,901

Wow! Thanks. Maybe I should run for President!

 

[hippie_hunter]

like I said before....ron pauls' support is so spread out....is there any particular state that is overly supporting him....

I think the major problem with the Republican race is that it's just impossible to determine just how much support Ron Paul has.

The networks give him very little coverage considering him a candidate on par with Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo when in reality he's more on par with Mike Huckabee. Many polls don't even include him. His supporters are so active that it's hard to determine if his base is actually growing or staying the same and his supporters are mostly rabbid fans (signs are pointing to a bit of both). He's been doing very well in several straw polls (he's won the most) and his fundraising is actually better than that of front runner John McCain.

Personally, I think his support is that on par with Mike Huckabee.

 

[hippie_hunter]

7 million doesnt go as far as it used to....

There's more than just $7 million though for Ron Paul.

In Q2 2007 he had $2.4 million. In Q3 2007 he raised $5 million. The $7 million was just gotten by the activities of today and yesterday, it doesn't fully represent how much he'll make in this quarter.

While the money he raises doesn't go far nationally, it can go far in states such as Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

[BlackLantern]

as far as network coverage, from what I've seen....MSNBC is really the only channel paying any attention to him......they are in third place so its really not surprisig...

 

[justinlancaster]

See, I don't see that as isolationism. I see that as logical foreign policy.

Exactly thats because Ron Paul is not an isolationist. He believes in non-intervetion, which means stay out of other people's business. Isolationism is a form of economic policy not foreign policy.

 

[justinlancaster]

I think this article basically says everything that needs to be said about why I dislike Ron Paul: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/5/193414/2787

Regarding the site that you posted:

Abortion: Ron Paul believes that the federal government does not have the power to legislate abortion. He believes that it is a personal issue and should be implemented on state level. Ex. The people of California want abortion, that is their choice. The people in Kansas do not fine. States are supposed to have more power, its in the US Constitution.

Environment: It’s a matter of personal property and state property. He doesn’t believe that the federal government has the power to limit free enterprise. Once again this could be a state issue. It’s whether the people of the state agree with drilling or not. And of course some environmental agencies are going to be against this because it leaves the choice up to the people.

Immigration: Obviously this article is biased if you haven’t figured it out yet. “Paul marches lock step with the xenophobic right wing on immigration.” Why because he doesn’t want to give 12 million people that broke our laws to get into this country amnesty. Oh that’s right, Ron Paul is for legal immigration not illegal immigration, which this article seems to blend into one. Birthright citizenship is something illegal immigrants use to “anchor” their way into this country, that is why he and many others want to get rid or at least put provisions on it.

Civil rights: Everyone has the right to vote why renew a bill stating this fact. By default in his libertarian leanings, he is an individualist. Individualism focuses on singular rights, so he opposes any legislation that groups people together. Individualism is also one of the main philosophical backdrops of the constitution.

Gay rights: Once again he believes this is a state issue. If New York wants it, they are more than free to have gay marriage. If Georgia opposes it, they are more than free to outlaw it.

Church-State separation: Paul is a champion of the constitution. Nowhere in the constitution does it state that there is to be a separation of church and state. To allow America to be labeled a Christian state or Muslim state or Jewish state goes against the individualism granted to everyone by the constitution. The constitution is against state sponsored religion and prosecution of religious choices. That does not mean outlawing or getting rid of religion. The “In god we trust” is ambiguous. It does not sponsor any religious doctrine or sect.

International Relations: He believes, as well as many other people do, that the participation in the UN is detrimental to our sovereignty. “Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.”

 

[BlackLantern]

I believe in the gay marriage part of it....it should be left to the states....you shouldnt be surprised if people in Georgia and Mississippi dont vote for it...

 

[justinlancaster]

I believe in the gay marriage part of it....it should be left to the states....you shouldnt be surprised if people in Georgia and Mississippi dont vote for it...

Exactly, that is why emotional social issues such as this should be left up to the states. On one side you have people opposed to it on the other you have people for it. You can rarely change people's minds on issues like this, so it should be left up to the states. Federal legaliztion or prohibition puts one group under legislation they disagree with. Is that a free society? There is a reason the states were to have more power than the federal government and this is just one of many examples.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

I believe in the gay marriage part of it....it should be left to the states....you shouldnt be surprised if people in Georgia and Mississippi dont vote for it...

My problem with that: sure, it sound okay when it comes to gay marriage--but what if a state wants to ban straight marriage? I'm sure the wackos in Congress will go ballistic.

 

[justinlancaster]

There is a reason that the founders limited the federal government. They had just got out from underneath the rule of a monarchy and they made sure that the United States would never fall under a tyrannical government again. Hence the constitution was born.

"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question." --Thomas Jefferson

"Our country is too large to have all its affairs directed by a single government. Public servants at such a distance, and from under the eye of their constituents, must, from the circumstance of distance, be unable to administer and overlook all the details necessary for the good government of the citizens; and the same circumstance, by rendering detection impossible to their constituents, will invite public agents to corruption, plunder and waste." --Thomas Jefferson

"I believe the States can best govern our home concerns, and the General Government our foreign ones." --Thomas Jefferson

 

[justinlancaster]

Some interesting quotes from one of the founders:

Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases. -Thomas Jefferson

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson