theoneandonly
Sidekick
- Joined
- Apr 15, 2006
- Messages
- 4,941
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 56
i think we need to throw in a new villian someone like venom but like not with the symbiote but someone else and i think he needs someone new in his life
Pksoze said:The problem with the totem stuff imo was that it really goes against what Ditko & Lee wanted to accomplish. Ditko...being an objectivist is probably not happy with how his characters have been mangled.
But the most famous character he helped create was Spidey & the guy went from a science (even if its comics pseudo science) to supernatural based entity. Having read up on Ditko & how integral he was to Spidey, I have to believe he wouldn't be pleased.
I think the totem concept was best when it was first introduced as something ambigous & not concrete.
The Question said:I suppose. It's just, I don't see how Spidey being science based is vital for the character.
SpiderDog.GoldenAgeHero said:please do not list giving him a baby or bringing back ben reilly. i stories, taht has to deal with his persona.
Zoken said:Well I mentioned under the "OYL" thread that Peter, not Spider-Man but Peter, be invited/abducted by a "Think-Tank" headed by Doc Ock, the Mad Thinker, Dr. Doom, and Mr. Sinister. they would tell him that his test show the potenial for true genius intellect, and that they wish him to join them in creating a world without "Moronic, judgmental, false Champion" (They want to get rid of super-heroes). Peter prepares to say yes, just to spy on them, but then Dr. Doom instructs Otto to tell Peter the extremely interesting information they liberated from Osborne Industries. a memo regarding "Subject M.G.P" saying that "She is currently three years old and reading on a third grade level. the X-Gene has been detected, and they are proceeding with Mr. Osborne's instructions." Peter quickly realizes that "M.G.P." could very well be "May Gwendolyn Parker". Peter is given shown the possiblity that his daughter may be alive.
This generates more and more problems as Peter can't risk telling any of the Avengers about this, or even MJ, as These people mention that they have been watching him for some time. They don't yet realize he's Spider-Man, though Doom is dropping frightening hints that he may know. They also talk about other members such as Wilbur Day and Herman Shultz, but they are mentioned to be "Lower eschelon members." Otto seems to wish Peter to be there as an ally and a confidant. Even Otto realizes that he is in a room with snakes. He wants one person to trust.
The Question said:Way I see it, bring back baby May. Make him a dad. That's progression for ya'. And retcon out Aunt May's return from the dead. Her death was a great moment in Spider-Man history.
RAMORE said:This is just another F'in retcon. And that's not the spidey before the clone saga Aunt may died during and it was the best death ever. Why the hell must everyone refer to the clone saga when they want to be negative about spidey. It had it's faults (all marketing driven faults) but it was a great read
The Question said:I suppose. It's just, I don't see how Spidey being science based is vital for the character.
The Question said:Well, all a retcon is is changing things in the past retroactively. Like, bringing back Aunt May was a retcon, because they said she never actually died. That was bull, in my personal opinion. So, were I to take over, I'd have it turn out that Aunt May actually died, and the Aunt May living with them is a highly realistic clone made by Osborn. I would kill off Osborn, and have it so the clone is programed to self terminate in the event of Osborn's death.
Zoken said:I am personally against Retconning. You have history, deal with it. okay, if you explain it away, or something, but making it just go away and never mentioning it again is just insulting to the reader in my opinion.
Thats why I'd want to bring back things like Kaine, and the old costumes (maybe have Spidey have some fun with the shapeshifting ablities of his new costume).
Hey Ramore, what did you specifically like about my "Think Tank" Idea? one of my regular fans didn't really go for it.
Zoken said:I am personally against Retconning. You have history, deal with it. okay, if you explain it away, or something, but making it just go away and never mentioning it again is just insulting to the reader in my opinion.
Thats why I'd want to bring back things like Kaine, and the old costumes (maybe have Spidey have some fun with the shapeshifting ablities of his new costume).
Hey Ramore, what did you specifically like about my "Think Tank" Idea? one of my regular fans didn't really go for it.
roach said:I agree with you on this. My job as a writer on Spiderman isnt to fix what I deem is bad in Spiderman history(which is why we have these new things added to the myth) but to tell entertaining stories. Peter will be back in the red and blue with a few of the webbing modifications that Ben made. Will Peter use his stingers..probably not....however I like the idea of the totems and I'd use that to enhance his foes. Imagine a Scorpion that is powered by the scorpion avatar......or a Vulture that is a scary threat rather than a joke.
GoldenAgeHero said:great god JMS has brainwashed you,
seriously what would be the need for a scorpion avatar?, oh hey scorpion, guess what? what? remember when jameson had you mutate into the scorpion with the help of alyster smithe? yeah? well your not going to believe this, but heh it all turned out you were destined to be scorpion ain't that a riot? so yeah i guess this avatar of yours were mind controlling jameson and the kingpin! wtf?lol you are the roxxors
roach said:oh you mean the scorpion Spidey beats with his eyes closed....
I am talking about getting Spidey's villains back to the point where he can barely win
and that Scorpion has been replaced by a little girl
roach said:all of Spidey's villains save for Goblin and Doc Ock are jokes...they are the guys he beats in his spare time between Goblin and Doc Ock appearances
GoldenAgeHero said:nor do i see him being supernaturally based is vital for his character either. everything lee explained was perfect the way it was. it diodnt need this "direction".
GoldenAgeHero said:uhhh why does osborn have to be the cause of everything, arghhhhhhhhh!!! it should be the jackal who cloned aunt may or someone else, just not osborn.
roach said:I agree with you on this. My job as a writer on Spiderman isnt to fix what I deem is bad in Spiderman history(which is why we have these new things added to the myth) but to tell entertaining stories. Peter will be back in the red and blue with a few of the webbing modifications that Ben made. Will Peter use his stingers..probably not....however I like the idea of the totems and I'd use that to enhance his foes. Imagine a Scorpion that is powered by the scorpion avatar......or a Vulture that is a scary threat rather than a joke.
GoldenAgeHero said:so write them better, you dont need a a mystical avatar to make a character interesting. look at what geoff johns has done with the flash rogues without making heatwave based on a goddamn avatar.