What made this movie a let down for the majority of the fans?

[Tempest19]

Gambitfire, I agree with you on the butler. It doesn't bother me either. I knew that he must have known something with that line from SM2- now I know the context behind it. To me it makes sense and has been built up.

 

[The Joker]

at all?

That line doesn't necessarily mean he knows everything about Harry's intentions.

Of course he knows. Why do you think he used the word obsessed?? Harry is obsessing over getting Spider-Man, when he should be concentrating on the affairs of Oscorp.

If anything this line sounds like he's giving Harry a clue as to what happened with his dad.

You'd have to be a mind reader to pick up on that, if that was the case.

...Do you honestly believe he was fully aware of everything that was going on with Harry?

Yes.

Which is why he casually walked into the Goblin lair. Which is why he said he's kept his mouth shut about all that he's seen.

I mean he only has like 3 lines in the trilogy and we see him like maybe 5 times.

Exactly. Which is why this plot element is so ludicrous. This practically non existant character springs out in the final movie to deliver a bombshell.

Ridiculous.

I'm sure the guy had some clue but I think his actions are being blown out of proportion.

I fail to see how.

Could there be a better moment?

Oh, I don't know.

How about after Norman died?? Or maybe when Harry started making deals with dangerous super villains. Or perhaps before he decided to expose himself to the Goblin gas and get amnesia after his battle.

Yeah, those sound like better moments.

Forget for a second this is a movie and it's all plot convenient (like almost every movie).

No one is perfect.

You said yourself This butler loved Harry and Norman like family.

Who's to say he respected Norman so much as to not destroy his legacy in the eyse of his son and watched his son become tormented by it.

He probably just saw Harry drinking his problems away and not at his worst.
Not until he has his face blown off (which i consider a pretty damn big deal) does he realize this secret is an even more powerful secret than what he originally thought it was, and now knowing that Peter was the man behind the mask.

Everything that was said and done tells us that is highly unlikely. Bernard knew what's been going on right from the get go. You keep saying what if this, and what if that, without backing it up with any evidence.

Just listen to what he says in the movies. It's all there. Heck, even back in SM-2, when he said his one line, you knew he meant Harry should stop obsessing over getting Spider-Man.

The fact that he claims he loves the Osborns only compunds this ludicrous plot device.

 

[Clobberin' Time]

My main problem was, after the patience of the first two installments (character development, layered story arcs) the third film has too much crammed in. The pacing is all wrong too.

I'd have loved to have seen Eddie Brock as an introduction in this film much the same as Doc Connors has been treated.

Sandman was surplus to requirements and didn't offer much. I appreciated the humour but it was too much at times.

The sensibility was more Hollywood and less comic book and this is where the movie suffered.

I blame Avi Arad though and not Sam Raimi.

 

[Cristo]

Sandman killing Uncle Ben?

Venom actually being in the movie?

The best character in the movie being killed by a second-rate villain?

Need I say more?

 

[pedro parkero]

told ya it's becoming overrated

Still is not. It's "just-rated". Only a select few are bloating it to something it's not. Many are saying it's just an okay movie.
The high praises are being balanced by brutal criticisms. Give it time. It's only 60+% at RT, which is a bit lower than expected, I admit (If only expectations are not too much it could be higher). Maybe years later (in the idiocratic future) it may even be called "underrated"...

 

[Iron Man's Dad]

Long time lurker putting in my 2 cents, 6/10.

No I'm not a hater nor a rabid fanboy, was it a complete train wreck, no.
Was it a good movie, afraid not, only fair.

Was I hyped for the movie, yes, was it a letdown, also yes, for me at least. This was not because I was overly hyped for the movie but because of fatal flaws in the movie's script. I agree with many that if either Sandman or Venom were left out of the script, more time could have been used to develop the other character and a more satisfying story.

Problems:

1) Underdeveloped characters:

Sandman. Ok he wanted to help his little girl who is sick, nice. Sick from what? Flint falls into the scientists Particle pit. What was the experiment and why were they running it in the middle of the night, overtime pay?

Gwen. Peter is her lab partner I'm told later on, why didn't we see any of that to establish why she likes Peter?

Symbiote. Peter instantly accepts without question that he wakes up hanging upside down in front of a building because the "power feels good". Later he has a piece of it run around the desk for Dr. Conner and still goes back and wears it even though it appears to be alive?

Venom. Once merged, Eddie is swinging around the city instantly and not even questioning what this is or where it came from and why he has Spidey's abilities? No "we" and that was a key to the character, perhaps a little Gollum inspired conversation between Eddie and Venom would have helped. Does he go right after Spidey, no, he asked Sandman for help.

2) Bad Coincidences:

A black goo meteorite falls right in the middle of Central Park and no one sees it? Then the goo attaches itself to the moped and our hero doesn't even sense it (it seems the spidey sense was turned off for this movie completely anyway).

Amnesia, ugh, oldest trick in the book and the easiest way to make your enemy your best friend again.

The church, Eddie happens to be in the same church as Spidey as he takes off the symbiote and also why did Spidey go into the bell tower in the first place? Aren't there thousands of churches in NY, why was Eddie in this particular church at this particular time?

Gwen happens to be the only one to fall out of the building during the crane disaster?

Sandman happens to fly (what was with that anyway) by during the Spiderman Day ceremony?

Flint Marko happens to be the "real" killer of Uncle Ben (shouldn't this also negate Peter's feelings of guilt, by the way about his uncle's death)?

3) Missed Opportunities

The crane sequence- Umm, what happened to the thousands of tons of steel that was flailing around destroying buildings and putting everyone in peril?Rather than the same catch the single girl scenario, what if multiple people were falling out of the building and he dealt with that AND secured the crane?

Swinging- Maybe I'm just jaded but none of it wowed me. Look at the shot in Spidey 2 when he twists between the truck while chasing the 2 robbers in the car, that shot still blows me away (I love that whole sequence in fact even "go spidey go!").

There is something called "suspension of disbelief" in movies. When a movie obeys it's own rules and internal logic the movie "works" and you maintain that suspension.

This movie didn't "work". That is why I feel it was a disappointment.

 

[DyeLorean]

Yep, we are all pretty much agreeing on all those points. I wonder how the filmmakers, everyone, let all this things happen. Some of them are pretty obvious to fix.

D!

 

[christpunchers]

the lack of any memorable action sequences like sm2's train sequence or the bridge swings at the end of sm1 made it even worse. they could have brought the symbiote back to earth using JJ's shuttle story, imagining a roaring opening sequence where spidey has to save the astronauts and somehow make the crashing softer. it would have been the "extra piece" that the movie needed to show just how much NY loves and needs spidey.

 

[DyeLorean]

I thought that too, the landing of the space shuttle, but too reminiscent to Superman Returns :S

D!

 

[venom2400]

this movie is beginning to sound alot like the richard donner-superman II movie with the amount of editing.

 

[venom2400]

I've seen the movie 3 times already and what i would of changed was either have the walking scene or the dancing scene. Not both and especially not one after the other. That was twenty minutes straight of campyness. I thought both where funny, but it was alittle to much.I wouldn't of had the conversation between aunt may and peter right before the final fight act. I would of had Venom discovering his powers. I would have had more black suited spidey, especially in the fight sequence between him and harry.I WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE MUSIC IN THAT SCENE AS WELL.The music sounded like that a comedy skit.I would of made that scene totally without comedy.

 

[Tempest19]

The dancing scenes were actually an overall of five minutes- ten tops, I believe (to the whole end of the Jazz club scene).

 

[The Joker]

the lack of any memorable action sequences like sm2's train sequence or the bridge swings at the end of sm1 made it even worse.

I agree.

The fight sequences all looked nice, but they just lacked the intensity and finesse of the Ock and Goblin fights of the previous movies.

Aside from Harry's battles, the others were not nearly as good as the previous movie's ones, IMO. A giant Sandman just doesn't do it for me. It's not the same as fighting a foe one on one.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Raimi's humouir in Spiderman movies have always been stinky IMO. But now he simply dropped it and thought that more of the same for longer time and with more intensity of the ridiculous angle was going to be better.

I completely agree with you, Payaso.

Also, why does everyone like those ridiculous dancing scenes?
In the comics the symbionte turned Peter into a vengeful, angry person not into some dancing idiot, over confident teenager that takes advantage of naive neighbors for cookies.

 

[Spade]

I agree.

The fight sequences all looked nice, but they just lacked the intensity and finesse of the Ock and Goblin fights of the previous movies.

Aside from Harry's battles, the others were not nearly as good as the previous movie's ones, IMO. A giant Sandman just doesn't do it for me. It's not the same as fighting a foe one on one.

This is yet another case where all I need to do is quote Doc Ock to give all of my sentiments on the matter. The NBC cut was even better than the final release, with the CG scuffle omitted and a much more practical fight. The rest of the film felt way too impersonal in conflicts in comparison to the other films. The Sandman fights were over very quickly and mostly involved Spidey owning him in the rematch, the fight with Harry was muted despite some good banter, and I don't think I need to get into why Pete and Angry Friend With Weapons versus the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man dipped in cookie dough and Screaming Movie Monster didn't work.

 

[majemma]

i think its the pacing the PACING WAS SOOOOOO PERFECT IN PART 2 and there are a million different stories here and the symboite being done comical seems to upset many and I didn't like VENOMS LACK OF SCREENTIME and HARRY DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DIE UNLESS HE WAS STILL FIGHTING PETER but since they were buddies again it was stupid to make the movie all somber for no reason

 

[Spade]

Harry's death made perfect sense to me, and I foresaw what was going to happen in regards to him way back when Venom was announced to be in SM3. It's just a process of elimination: the Sandman kiling him would just ruin Raimi's entire hope of painting him as a man acting out of desperation, Peter is too bonded with him by the hip to do him in and Venom is naturally hostile with no inhibition. It's obvious that they weren't going to use the 'overdose' method in a film already muted in tone, so something else has to happen in an action beat. Enter Venom.

I still don't feel SM2 was as great as people claim it to be, but I agree on Venom's screentime. The only reason the Sandman was there was to offer a challenge, when Venom could have and did end up easily taking on both Harry and Peter at the same time.

 

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

The movie was rushed and crammed.
To many Villians.
Not enough Venom!!

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I'm not a big fan of Spiderman 2... I fell asleep watching it....I have ADD....so I like whiz bang action

 

[gambitfire]

Of course he knows. Why do you think he used the word obsessed?? Harry is obsessing over getting Spider-Man, when he should be concentrating on the affairs of Oscorp.

You'd have to be a mind reader to pick up on that, if that was the case.

I'm not going to be doing the back and forth thing. I've had enough of that from the X-forums.

No, you don't have to be a mind reader. That's what i got out of it. He obsessed over his work (why couldn't this be refrence towards GG?)
To me it was but to you it wasn't so w/e. I don't expect you don't understand the way i see it since you're clearly to hung up and your being right. *shrugs*

It's your opinion anyways.

Yes.

Which is why he casually walked into the Goblin lair. Which is why he said he's kept his mouth shut about all that he's seen.

I was also referring to Spidey's identity but w/e.

Exactly. Which is why this plot element is so ludicrous. This practically non existant character springs out in the final movie to deliver a bombshell.

Ridiculous.

What bombshell? Seriously though give me another way to have Harry go help Peter? This guy who's way to hung up on revenge that he won't be reasonable.

I mean we all knew he was going to help him, their might be a better way of doing it but this wasn't a HUGE FACTOR to make the movie a let down for me. BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

I fail to see how.

Well i don't expect you to that's just me stating my opinion.

Oh, I don't know.

How about after Norman died?? Or maybe when Harry started making deals with dangerous super villains. Or perhaps before he decided to expose himself to the Goblin gas and get amnesia after his battle.

Yeah, those sound like better moments.

After Norman died i'm sure the first thing he wanted to tell his son was that his dad was a monster.

Was he even present when Harry made the deal with Otto?

Perhaps it could of worked before he exposed himself to the gas but did he really know Harry exposed himself to the gas?

I could be wrong but i don't recall him being in the room when some of these things happened. After all he is just a Butler.

Everything that was said and done tells us that is highly unlikely. Bernard knew what's been going on right from the get go. You keep saying what if this, and what if that, without backing it up with any evidence.

I disagree, I think there is too much being stated on his behalf when he's done so little in these movies. I backed it up with what I saw but it's upto you if you want to accept it(you really don't have to see it the way i do we are different ppl with different views). In this case you don't accept it and that's fine but don't undermine me as if I'm talking out of my A$$, It's just rude and i'm not doing it to you.

Just listen to what he says in the movies. It's all there. Heck, even back in SM-2, when he said his one line, you knew he meant Harry should stop obsessing over getting Spider-Man.

The fact that he claims he loves the Osborns only compunds this ludicrous plot device.

I'm sure he meant that but I don't think that he knew what Harry was capable off. t:

 

[DyeLorean]

The fight sequences all looked nice, but they just lacked the intensity and finesse of the Ock and Goblin fights of the previous movies.

I got a perfect bootleged DVD rip of the movie, and saw the armored truck and the subway fight. Again and again. They're just TOO DAMN SHORT. I really don't know what happened here. I mean, both Doc Ock battles were so beautiful to look at, they had a beggining, a middle and an end. They were THAT long. I actually can't believe the same team made this scenes. Shame.

D!

PD: I'm seeing the movie 2 more times in the cinema

 

[The Only Woj]

Venom should have been kept for the first non-Raimi Spidey film ... since that film will need a draw like Venom to bring people in with the new cast/crew.

I was letdown by no civilian involvment. first film had the civilians throwing stuff at the Goblin, Spidey stopping an armored car robbery, baby from fire. film two had the train sequence with the people, saving the girl from the building, kids crossing the street, pizza delivery, stopping the two robbers in a car before mj's play. spidey 3 didn't have any of that. to me, it made the film feel "smaller" because that sense of scale was missing. I guess you can say the crane scene was one such scene, but that was for Gwen. and, honestly, it might be one of my favorites from the film.

 

[majemma]

I got a perfect bootleged DVD rip of the movie, and saw the armored truck and the subway fight. Again and again. They're just TOO DAMN SHORT. I really don't know what happened here. I mean, both Doc Ock battles were so beautiful to look at, they had a beggining, a middle and an end. They were THAT long. I actually can't believe the same team made this scenes. Shame.

D!

PD: I'm seeing the movie 2 more times in the cinema

EXACTLY!!! but the VENOM scene was soooooooo short they fell off the building then he killed harry then he hit the pipes and played chimes VENOM should have had a begining midle and end to his fight scen but it was scattered he was too hyped up to do so little but i have come to terms with it since i watched it over and over again on youtube cuz i liked being able to soak up his look and i like tophers performce but the pacing is mabye not as good as part 2 and aunt may was not in it enough and i liied the jazzy music in the harry fight scen it was funny and cool sounding...but yea he did not need to get killed unless he was still fighting with peter

 

[Tempest19]

? I don't know why people are saying that about Harry dying like that...

He was never a bad guy really, just confused and looking for love and acceptance from his father. He always sacraficed his life for Peter...

 

[Nebins]

I was upset with the lack of the black suit in the film. They showed him in black clothes acting like an ass more than they showed him in the suit. The black suit had two scenes really, him beating up Sandman and him taking it off. I would have prefered to see him being less forgiving to criminals in the black suit more than see him act like an ass in black clothes. They hyped up the black suit too much to not have it in the film that long.