What made this movie a let down for the majority of the fans?

[Apollo]

sandman and venom needed to be developed more and the only way to do that is..

1. make a directors cut and include more of sandman's scenes

2. change the ending so eddie doesnt die, and leave it off so we see more of venom in the 4th one.....

 

[pedro parkero]

I'm let down in the fact that it'll become another overrated spider-man movie.

Years from now people will look back and realize what could have been... but by then it'll be too late.

What are you talking about? You don't have to wait years from now because many of us are already lambasting this movie at the present time.

And judging from the reviews (especially the ratings in RT), this movie is anything but "overrated"...


Anyway, another major thing on why this movie is a letdown is because it has so many plotholes and illogical situations. Normal reasoning is sacrificed for drama or just to set up the cool action. It's up there with the Fantastic Four as a very unintelligent movie. A condition for enjoying this is that you leave your brains at home.
Some would say that this movie is the way it is because it wasn't made only for fans but for everyone. Oh yeah? Then why was it made so confusing for non-fans? It seemed to me a nonfan should have a geek ready to explain the symbiote issue alone...

Man, after I put my faith in Raimi because he had the balls to make a quality film in S-M2. And then he made another mess of a movie like S-M1. A pure popcorn flick. Nothing more. Sigh...

 

[El Payaso]

What are you talking about? You don't have to wait years from now because many of us are already lambasting this movie at the present time.

And judging from the reviews (especially the ratings in RT), this movie is anything but "overrated"...


Anyway, another major thing on why this movie is a letdown is because it has so many plotholes and illogical situations. Normal reasoning is sacrificed for drama or just to set up the cool action. It's up there with the Fantastic Four as a very unintelligent movie. A condition for enjoying this is that you leave your brains at home.
Some would say that this movie is the way it is because it wasn't made only for fans but for everyone. Oh yeah? Then why was it made so confusing for non-fans? It seemed to me a nonfan should have a geek ready to explain the symbiote issue alone...

Man, after I put my faith in Raimi because he had the balls to make a quality film in S-M2. And then he made another mess of a movie like S-M1. A pure popcorn flick. Nothing more. Sigh...

Totally agree with you Parkero.

Specially in the Fantastic Four vibe in this movie. It was like the same but more of it and for a longer time. Since Ed Wood I haven't seen someone who cares so little about plotholes and incoherences like Raimi. Since Schumacher I haven't seen someone who cares too little about ridiculous stuff that not only don't provoke laughing but ruins the serious parts of the story.

 

[bellepheron]

1. The 1st and biggest flaw with the movie is there was WAY too much going on, too many storylines, too many villains and origins too many new characters (gwen stacy was pointless)

2. The editing was poor, too many times it jumped from a dramatic scene to a comedic scene with nothing in between leaving no time for tension to build up. There should have been less scenes and longer scenes with the characters like eddie (did we really need to see peter and harry playing b-ball in harrys house?!)

3. Musical score was mostly terrible, a few songs were good most were crap.

4. Too cheesy/comedy, there are funny bits in both the others but they compliment the drama, half of this was full blown comedy!! And if there was a scale for cheesiness the news report of the final battle would be soo far off the scale it would explode. I know we're not mentioning specifics but that bit was so bad it brought tears to my eyes, it gets worse every time i see it!!!

5. Finally like alot of people on this site i probably am guilty of overhyping it alot, altho my expectations wernt ludicrous considering how great the 1st two films were!!!

 

[YJ1]

A condition for enjoying this is that you leave your brains at home.

I honestly don't mean to be insulting but I truly believe that people who didn't enjoy the movie simply aren't smart enough. It's definitely NOT better to check your brain at the door with SM3. Just the opposite applies. Sure, it can be that kind of movie if that's all you want it to be. The action can stand on its own and be a pure popcorn flick. The beauty of Raimi's work is that it's so much more then that. I think it's brilliant because it doesn't talk down to the viewer or blatantly hold the viewers hand as if we're not smart enough to figure out certain elements (fantastical or otherwise). Being smart enough to pick up certain nuances of the film leads to better appreciation and certainly more enjoyment. SM3 develops characters and simply explodes when it needs to, all the while keeping a gripping and remarkable pace to the film.

The thing that let down SOME of the fans was their own mind and the expectations in it. Nitpicking the flaws that appear only in their minds has led to disappointment. In the real world, Spider-Man 3 is an outstanding film.

 

[The Kid]

told ya it's becoming overrated

 

[pjspider1C]

I honestly don't mean to be insulting but I truly believe that people who didn't enjoy the movie simply aren't smart enough. It's definitely NOT better to check your brain at the door with SM3. Just the opposite applies. Sure, it can be that kind of movie if that's all you want it to be. The action can stand on its own and be a pure popcorn flick. The beauty of Raimi's work is that it's so much more then that. I think it's brilliant because it doesn't talk down to the viewer or blatantly hold the viewers hand as if we're not smart enough to figure out certain elements (fantastical or otherwise). Being smart enough to pick up certain nuances of the film leads to better appreciation and certainly more enjoyment. SM3 develops characters and simply explodes when it needs to, all the while keeping a gripping and remarkable pace to the film.

The thing that let down SOME of the fans was their own mind and the expectations in it. Nitpicking the flaws that appear only in their minds has led to disappointment. In the real world, Spider-Man 3 is an outstanding film.

Here, here!

 

[chaostoon]

The only thing that really disappointed me about the movie is they didn't do a very good job with Dark Peter. I kinda wish they would've used Black Cat in the movie because I think she could've really brought out the dark side of Peter more, using Gwen as a way to make MJ jealous I don't think worked quite as well, because they were too similar. If they used Black Cat it would've worked great, someone that could enjoy both sides of Peter's life. Have them get more and more dangerous and at one point cross or almost cross a line that snaps Peter out of it. I'm not sure how to write her exit, but I think she could've really helped push the dark Pete angle more than Gwen did. Mainly, my disappointment came from dark Peter being more chessy than dark.

I completely agree. Black Cat would have been a better story device than Gwen Stacy, and Black Cat would have been a better fit than the "New Goblin" in the end fight.

Also, Venom said "I" and "me". Whats up with that? WE are Venom!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I don't know how they would have fit Black Cat into the story though. She'd take more explaining than just having some chick from Peter's class around.

With that said, it could have just been Felicia....and not Gwen. Having Gwen in just seemed....well, pointless. Gwen Stacy was the love of Peter Parker....having her in Spidey 3 was just for the fanboys who wouldn't stop complaining about her absence.

 

[Captivated]

FIRST:
This movie was NOT a let down for the majority of fans!
But, how arrogant of you to try to speak for the "majority."

SECOND: A certain amount of emotional "letdown" is to be expected for obsessed fans who literally spent thousands of HOURS online discussing, speculating and dreaming about this movie. To a certain extent, you did it to yourselves.

I had to deal with a few nit-picks after I saw it the first time... I wanted a sunny, soaring ending similar to Spider-Man 2 and I didn't get it. But I still liked the movie. And after letting go of some of those expectations, by the second time around I LOVED the movie!

My advice... let go and just enjoy.

 

[Captivated]

I honestly don't mean to be insulting but I truly believe that people who didn't enjoy the movie simply aren't smart enough. It's definitely NOT better to check your brain at the door with SM3. Just the opposite applies. Sure, it can be that kind of movie if that's all you want it to be. The action can stand on its own and be a pure popcorn flick. The beauty of Raimi's work is that it's so much more then that. I think it's brilliant because it doesn't talk down to the viewer or blatantly hold the viewers hand as if we're not smart enough to figure out certain elements (fantastical or otherwise). Being smart enough to pick up certain nuances of the film leads to better appreciation and certainly more enjoyment. SM3 develops characters and simply explodes when it needs to, all the while keeping a gripping and remarkable pace to the film.

The thing that let down SOME of the fans was their own mind and the expectations in it. Nitpicking the flaws that appear only in their minds has led to disappointment. In the real world, Spider-Man 3 is an outstanding film.

Exactly.

 

[YJ1]

FIRST:
This movie was NOT a let down for the majority of fans!
But, how arrogant of you to try to speak for the "majority."

SECOND: A certain amount of emotional "letdown" is to be expected for obsessed fans who literally spent thousands of HOURS online discussing, speculating and dreaming about this movie. To a certain extent, you did it to yourselves.

I had to deal with a few nit-picks after I saw it the first time... I wanted a sunny, soaring ending similar to Spider-Man 2 and I didn't get it. But I still liked the movie. And after letting go of some of those expectations, by the second time around I LOVED the movie!

My advice... let go and just enjoy.

I did the exact same thing. After the incredible build up, my mind must have been racing too much during my first viewing. I enjoyed it more my second time around. More so between the first two viewings then any other Marvel film. The first time, I left the cinema thinking, "Why did the Sandman just quit and why did they stick that scene there?" Then I watched it again and everything flowed much better. The movie's little nuances really stood out for me on my second viewing.

I also couldn't agree more that, "This movie was NOT a let down for the majority of fans!"

(PS- GREAT Signature!!!)

 

[venom892]

I wouldn't call it smart as much as poor explained.You know how many people I know ask me to explain to explain the symbiote story?People know me as the ultimate Spider-man fan and I've had to explain that **** at least 5 times to groups of people.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

I honestly don't mean to be insulting but I truly believe that people who didn't enjoy the movie simply aren't smart enough. It's definitely NOT better to check your brain at the door with SM3. Just the opposite applies. Sure, it can be that kind of movie if that's all you want it to be. The action can stand on its own and be a pure popcorn flick. The beauty of Raimi's work is that it's so much more then that. I think it's brilliant because it doesn't talk down to the viewer or blatantly hold the viewers hand as if we're not smart enough to figure out certain elements (fantastical or otherwise). Being smart enough to pick up certain nuances of the film leads to better appreciation and certainly more enjoyment. SM3 develops characters and simply explodes when it needs to, all the while keeping a gripping and remarkable pace to the film.

The thing that let down SOME of the fans was their own mind and the expectations in it. Nitpicking the flaws that appear only in their minds has led to disappointment. In the real world, Spider-Man 3 is an outstanding film.

You say the movie doesn't talk down to it's audience, but I'm guessing you forgot the whole "breaking news" report intro to the big battle sequence at the end and the scene between Harry and his butler. The movie was hardly subtle. Stop trying to make it sound like something its not. It was intended for the young teenage crowd not for an audience that appreciates the subtle nuances in films.

 

[El Payaso]

I honestly don't mean to be insulting but I truly believe that people who didn't enjoy the movie simply aren't smart enough. It's definitely NOT better to check your brain at the door with SM3. Just the opposite applies. Sure, it can be that kind of movie if that's all you want it to be. The action can stand on its own and be a pure popcorn flick. The beauty of Raimi's work is that it's so much more then that. I think it's brilliant because it doesn't talk down to the viewer or blatantly hold the viewers hand as if we're not smart enough to figure out certain elements (fantastical or otherwise). Being smart enough to pick up certain nuances of the film leads to better appreciation and certainly more enjoyment. SM3 develops characters and simply explodes when it needs to, all the while keeping a gripping and remarkable pace to the film.

The thing that let down SOME of the fans was their own mind and the expectations in it. Nitpicking the flaws that appear only in their minds has led to disappointment. In the real world, Spider-Man 3 is an outstanding film.

I don't know what to say. It's exactly like you say it's not.

It is a film that treats audience like kids being baby-sitted. I can't explain someone with a little Spiderman knowledge or expecting a basic level of seriousness could dig the Peter Parker dancing on the streets and the club scenes. I mean, unless all you wanted was to kill two and a half hours. There's exactly nothing more to see in this movie than what's on the screen.

No 'state of mind' created some subjective hundred of giant plotholes out of little nitpicking.

 

[gambitfire]

You say the movie doesn't talk down to it's audience, but I'm guessing you forgot the whole "breaking news" report intro to the big battle sequence at the end and the scene between Harry and his butler. The movie was hardly subtle. Stop trying to make it sound like something its not. It was intended for the young teenage crowd not for an audience that appreciates the subtle nuances in films.

^so Harry was supposed to find out how?

Wait what if he stumbled onto a room where he finds cams that recorded the events from that day?!

Or better yet Peter finally convinces him in a heart to heart talk.

I'm sorry but IMHO the butler is the most feesable thing I would of bought. There probably exists another good idea for getting the point across but for now i'll stick with this.

That's one of those things that would of been difficult to make subtle.

Harry was too driven for revenge to go with "new found instincts".

I'm sure if it had been subtle ppl would of been complaining that there was a plot hole in his sudden switch.

As for the Media hype:

Was Spidey supposed to recieve an e-mail as to what was going on?

Dear Spidey

It's your old buddy Venom/Eddie Brock. Kidnapped your girlfriend and I'm holding her hostage at the contruction grounds near mainstreet. Hope to see you soon.

-Hate Venom.


The movie established that Spidey was now #1 media status. It only made sense.


W/E it's all just my opinion anyways.

I just wish you could find a better way of doing it than what we got.

Otherwise complaining is pointles IMO.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

FIRST:
This movie was NOT a let down for the majority of fans!
But, how arrogant of you to try to speak for the "majority."

SECOND: A certain amount of emotional "letdown" is to be expected for obsessed fans who literally spent thousands of HOURS online discussing, speculating and dreaming about this movie. To a certain extent, you did it to yourselves.

I had to deal with a few nit-picks after I saw it the first time... I wanted a sunny, soaring ending similar to Spider-Man 2 and I didn't get it. But I still liked the movie. And after letting go of some of those expectations, by the second time around I LOVED the movie!

My advice... let go and just enjoy.

I agree

 

[The Last Meatbag]

I'd say, them advertising the movie as everything getting darker and worse and more serious and gritty...

Then they have Peter Parker, playing the piano and using his spider-powers to boogey down in a night club

 

[YJ1]

You say the movie doesn't talk down to it's audience, but I'm guessing you forgot the whole "breaking news" report intro to the big battle sequence at the end and the scene between Harry and his butler. The movie was hardly subtle. Stop trying to make it sound like something its not. It was intended for the young teenage crowd not for an audience that appreciates the subtle nuances in films.

I beg to differ. Like I've been saying, it works both ways.

I've read the criticism of the Harry/butler scene. It works for me for a few reasons. One, Harry has been established as mentally unstable BEFORE taking the goblin serum. After, like his father, his mind seems to have been fracturing even more. The emotional trauma of MJ running out on him after the kiss caused him to remember all. It makes you think that maybe the physical trauma of hitting his head and almost dying was just a catalyst for his mental disorder and not the blow itself. Given his mental state, who's to say what is normal? Peter did NOT try to kill him when he was down and Harry himself tried to sucker Peter by firing a bomb at the back of his head. Who's to say if Harry blames Peter for his disfigurement? Also, the butler Bernard's admission that he treated his father's wounds confirms Peter's original story and opens the door for Norman's return in future films. Like I said, nuances abound.

I liked most of the news report. It serves to try and ground such a phenomenal fight in reality but also gives the viewer cuts away from the intensity of the battle. Cutting from CGI battle to the crowd or a reporter helps the minds eye believe what it is viewing. I did NOT like the one cut where right in the heat of the moment they cut to the cross eyed anchor saying, "This could be the end of Spider-Man." Maybe Raimi wanted to make it real and make it seem like a news report would cut from a live feed in reality but it just came across as too cheesy for that moment. Cut that and everything else works for me.

 

[YJ1]

It is a film that treats audience like kids being baby-sitted. I can't explain someone with a little Spiderman knowledge or expecting a basic level of seriousness could dig the Peter Parker dancing on the streets and the club scenes.

Like I've said before, to me, that's exactly what a nerd unleashed would act like. Peter knows little about women, relationships and, even though he's Spider-Man, grew up with no confidence and limited self esteem. It would've been wrong to portray him in any other way as real Spider-Man fans know. It works two ways. It's funny but it also rings true. Watch the faces on the women around him as he struts, it's hilarious and gives this movie true humor.

The spiteful dance with Gwen illustrates how far Peter has fallen. It's powerful and emotionally twisted. The blow MJ takes is truly stunning. Both audiences I saw it with loudly gasped when he struck her. It's THE catalyst for driving away the suit and for keeping Peter away and troubled. He knows that those feelings emanated from inside himself. That's what gives the story more depth across the board. Everything he does in the black suit emanates from inside. Wanting to kill Sandman, hurting MJ & Harry and simply cutting loose. Like I said, nuances abound.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

But he's not supposed to be nerd unleashed, he's supposed to be angry and on edge. Like someone on steroids..the symbiote releases inner aggression and amplifies it....not inner soul.

 

[gambitfire]

But he's not supposed to be nerd unleashed, he's supposed to be angry and on edge. Like someone on steroids..the symbiote releases inner aggression and amplifies it....not inner soul.

Inner aggression can be displayed differentley based on personality.

 

[The Last Meatbag]

Sorry, but this is an action movie, not "You Got Served"


He should be diplaying his aggression in a different way than bustin' a move.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

^so Harry was supposed to find out how?

Wait what if he stumbled onto a room where he finds cams that recorded the events from that day?!

Or better yet Peter finally convinces him in a heart to heart talk.

I'm sorry but IMHO the butler is the most feesable thing I would of bought. There probably exists another good idea for getting the point across but for now i'll stick with this.

That's one of those things that would of been difficult to make subtle.

Harry was too driven for revenge to go with "new found instincts".

I'm sure if it had been subtle ppl would of been complaining that there was a plot hole in his sudden switch.

As for the Media hype:

Was Spidey supposed to recieve an e-mail as to what was going on?

Dear Spidey

It's your old buddy Venom/Eddie Brock. Kidnapped your girlfriend and I'm holding her hostage at the contruction grounds near mainstreet. Hope to see you soon.

-Hate Venom.


The movie established that Spidey was now #1 media status. It only made sense.


W/E it's all just my opinion anyways.

I just wish you could find a better way of doing it than what we got.

Otherwise complaining is pointles IMO.

Those were horrible scenes and could've been done so much better. The Harry/Butler scene was so obviously a rushed an quick way of turning Harry from bad guy to good guy. The change could've been done throughout the course of the film. That scene just made the butler look like an ass for not telling Harry earlier on. The media scene was way too unnecessary. In the previous films, Spidey shows up on the scene of battles without the need of watching the news. It was a poorly written and acted scene that wasn't needed and only served to cheapen the final battle.

I beg to differ. Like I've been saying, it works both ways.

I've read the criticism of the Harry/butler scene. It works for me for a few reasons. One, Harry has been established as mentally unstable BEFORE taking the goblin serum. After, like his father, his mind seems to have been fracturing even more. The emotional trauma of MJ running out on him after the kiss caused him to remember all. It makes you think that maybe the physical trauma of hitting his head and almost dying was just a catalyst for his mental disorder and not the blow itself. Given his mental state, who's to say what is normal? Peter did NOT try to kill him when he was down and Harry himself tried to sucker Peter by firing a bomb at the back of his head. Who's to say if Harry blames Peter for his disfigurement? Also, the butler Bernard's admission that he treated his father's wounds confirms Peter's original story and opens the door for Norman's return in future films. Like I said, nuances abound.

I liked most of the news report. It serves to try and ground such a phenomenal fight in reality but also gives the viewer cuts away from the intensity of the battle. Cutting from CGI battle to the crowd or a reporter helps the minds eye believe what it is viewing. I did NOT like the one cut where right in the heat of the moment they cut to the cross eyed anchor saying, "This could be the end of Spider-Man." Maybe Raimi wanted to make it real and make it seem like a news report would cut from a live feed in reality but it just came across as too cheesy for that moment. Cut that and everything else works for me.

That's fine that you like those scenes, but you have to admit they were in no way subtle or nuanced. It was lazy writing. The whole point of the harry/butler scene was just a quick way to turn harry into a good guy and nothing more. The news report in no way made the final battle seem realistic. In fact, with the combination of bad dialogue and horrible acting, it took me completely out of the fight.

 

[Punisher RULES]

Under utilized Venom and how he's written out at the end...very disappointing...still sweet to finally see him on the big screen, though!

I agree 100%