What would you want to see in another Hulk movie?

[Gamma Ra]

It may have not been called Marvel Studios at the time, but all the major players are the same, except Avi Arad's son took his place, but Feige and Hurd were and are the puppet masters on Hulk films.

Notice what I wrote...Hulk films plural...there's only two?

TIH never came up but whtever.

That's whteva.

 

[marcvader]

But wasn't the guy correcting you with the studio being Universal back then and it being Marvel studios today after you suggested Ang wouldn't want to work with Marvel sudios again? Ang wouldn't have to deal with Hurd as she no longer produces Marvel Studios films and like I said Feige was only an executive producer back during Hulk giving him no creative input back then.

 

[Gamma Ra]

But wasn't the guy correcting you with the studio being Universal back then and it being Marvel studios today after you suggested Ang wouldn't want to work with Marvel sudios again? Ang wouldn't have to deal with Hurd as she no longer produces Marvel Studios films and like I said Feige was only an executive producer back during Hulk giving him no creative input back then.

Yes, but that was what he asked me, so the point I was making to him, was that after the Hulk fiasco, I don't believe Ang would want to work with Marvel Studios, although they weren't technically called that when he made Hulk, it was only Marvel, but he would still be working for the same EXACT people...that's all. The quote you quoted me on was my explanation to his question or statement.

Arad, Feige and Hurd had plenty of input in both films, mostly pre and post production.

When did Hurd say she wouldn't work on another Marvel film?

 

[marcvader]

Oh ok, so he was asking you. I see. Anyways, Marvel Studios today is not Universal Studios from 2003 or the same producers representing Marvel studios back then so Ang wouldn't have to deal with whoever was there back then.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I had a computer that died and I lost a lot of info and articles on 'Hulk's', Ang's movie, failure at the box office. In many of the articles it seemed like the producers mentioned above were subtly pointing fingers at the movies lack of success at Ang Lee, who took it on the chin. It was only later that the others accepted responsibility.

 

[gmanca]

I know some people just don't like the film, but there's nothing wrong with the major pieces, it's just that the tempo is off; if you re-arranged some of the pieces, the beat from plot point to plot point would stop the "it's boring" argument because of how full the last hour is.

One real gripe is that the humor is awful and had they re-worked the jokes, it would have helped the pacing.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The Professor

 

[Gamma Ra]

I know some people just don't like the film, but there's nothing wrong with the major pieces, it's just that the tempo is off; if you re-arranged some of the pieces, the beat from plot point to plot point would stop the "it's boring" argument because of how full the last hour is.

One real gripe is that the humor is awful and had they re-worked the jokes, it would have helped the pacing.

Which film?

 

[gmanca]

Sorry, HULK was the film.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Being a story geek, I personally had no problem with the pacing, but you're not the only person I've heard/seen state that.

I actually enjoyed young Krenzler's psychological flashbacks and I enjoyed the fathers story as well. I even grew to like the idea of what comprised the the "Super Soldier Formula" that David Banner tested on himself, and passed it on genetically on to Bruce; all sorts of essences from different plants and animals, which gave reason to Angry-Man's abilities...I mean who's to say what's the main ingredients in Formula Super Soldier? The film was truly smart.

 

[Harley2004]

Edward Norton and Liv Tyler

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Which film?

There's no humor in the first movie, so I assume he speaks of TIH
I enjoy the humor there

 

[bubbadoom]

HULK was a Universal film, like FF or X-Men is Fox, Spier-Man is Sony, etc. - meaning that even if the "Marvel" guys [Avi & Kevin] had a voice in the production, Hurd/Lee/Universal did not have to listen to them if they chose not to. I think this shows in some of the choices made in this film.

TIH was a Marvel Studios film, like Iron Man, etc. - meaning that Marvel was finally calling the shots, and I think it's a better Hulk film because of it. Sadly, this puts the blame for the abomination that was the Abomination on Kevin & Co.s shoulders, the only real miss-step thus far in the Marvel Universe.

 

[kedrell]

^I hope you're not just meaning his look, becasue with the exception of the ears he was pretty accurate. I do wish though that they had given him the inverted beauty & the beast/evil version of Ben Grimm angle that he has in the comics.

 

[Gamma Ra]

There's no humor in the first movie, so I assume he speaks of TIH
I enjoy the humor there

He answered my question already and said it was that Hulk film.

 

[Alientraveller]

There was only one gag in Ang Lee's Hulk and it was that lousy quip about Banner's bike helmet making him look like a nerd. I found Nolte's performance was unintentionally hilarious though.

 

[kedrell]

The bike helmet joke fell flat completely.

 

[E-Man]

I just hope that they let go of the old tv series. It's been way past its time, and there is no need to constantly try to recreate what happened in the show. No other character is held back much by a show like The Hulk. I'm glad the Ang movie moved away from that. Let's see some Gray Hulk, or Green Scar. I want the Hulk to have his own personality like he has for many years in the comics. I understand why they have had Hulk barely speak, but it would be best if he was more intelligent than what they have shown him to be in the movies. It would really bring about more of the Frankenstein and his monster type dynamic.

 

[kedrell]

Well, I'd say Batman was well held back by the old 60's show all the way up until 2005. Sure, Burton's films were dark but they were still live action cartoons where stuff simply didn't have to make sense at all(for example: every supervillain origin IN his films). It wasn't until Batman Begins that all ties with the TV show were severed. And it could be argued that it would be more difficult/take longer to do the same with Hulk since his TV show was far less campy. But I do hold out hope that the TV show fans can accept TIH as a good offering to appease them and let Hulk carry on now just from the comics.

 

[Gamma Ra]

You guys sre right. All ties to the television show should be severed. I'll add strictly go to the themes of the comic. Nolan's Batman films are comic book based, minus Robin.

 

[MucasMan]

Let's see the introduction of She-Hulk

 

[Gamma Ra]

I personally wouldn't mind cousin Jen entering the scene at some point.

I was watching Ang's Hulk at a friend's house and they were only interested in the Hulk parts. I think Banner as a character needs to be completely developed. Make him as interesting as the Hulk action scenes. I like what Greg Pak did with him, he made him quite resourceful and showed us Banner's genius level IQ. Bill Mantlo did as well. Banner is quite the inventor.

One aspect of Banner from the show that they should keep, is that Banner would always put his personal issues aside in order to deal with the immediate threat.

 

[kedrell]

Banner himself has never been interesting....at least, not interesting all by himself. That's just the way the character was designed from the begining. What makes him interesting is the interaction with his alter-ego. Many ways there are to show this as well. Not just the obvious dream sequence(though that's be fun to watch). Especially when you bring in the other Hulk personalities like Joe Fixit. I am reminded of a comic during PAD's run where Joe got himself liquored up as much as possible just before sunrise so that Bruce would be so drunk that he couldn't function. And there's plenty of other stuff where they play off each other and to me THAT'S what makes Bruce/Hulk a great and interesting character. On their own they're much less so. Together, they're much more than just the sum of their parts. And then you have how this plays into his relationship with the side characters.

That's what I want to see in a Hulk movie.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Stan Lee's early Banner was pretty interesting, as far as the early days of simple comics were concerned. He'd use his intelligence to save the day and where that failed he'd desperately change himself into the Hulk. He was adventurous and he invented many things in those days, but it some time after the Savage Hulk emerged, and he just kind of had a defeatist attitude and stayed on the run. Bill Mantlo bought back that Banner that Stan was developing and began to explore the psychology of Hulk. I enjoyed PAD's Banner as he seemed like he was trying to find himself, but what Greg Pak has done has taken the cake. Greg Pak's Banner has made up his mind that he's tired of being the victim and he's not afraid to use his gift of intelligence.

The Hulk and Banner struggle for dominance of self, as you've ascertained, is what has to work in order to have the audience invest in them. I loved that scene that you mentioned from PAD's run with the alcohol. There was also a time in PAD' run where a giant robot grabbed Banner and he arrogantly awaited Hulk to pop out and save the day. Hulk eventually did but only after he made Banner sweat it out first. In the recent Greg Pak issues, Hulk and Banner seem to at least tolerate each other, though they don't see eye to eye. This is what the movies have been missing. These scenario's can be played for kicks.

I think one of the most interesting characteristics about Hulk and Banner is that where they differ in many ways, they also have many common characteristics. Both are loyal and caring towards friends, both are relentless in their pursuits, both are stubborn in their ways etc....

 

[El Payaso]

There's no humor in the first movie, so I assume he speaks of TIH

Hulk is one oif those characters who doesn't need humour. It's like watching a Frankenstein movie and expect that there's some humour in it.

I enjoy the humor there

I found it bad. Not as bad as in many other superhero movies, but things like Banner's sex life being limited or else he hulks-out is frankly idiotic. Same with that unnecessary scene with the taxi, or making jokes about Hulk pants.