Days of Future Past What you didn't like about X-Men:DOFP - Flaws/Critiques

[Havok83]

The ending pretty much solidifies that the x-men won't lose in the next movie.

This keeps getting mentioned and I don't see the issue. Its a comicbook movie. How many of them end with the heroes losing in the end? The X-men have won their battle in every single one of these films. Seriously, before you even hit the theater, you can bet on that happening like 99% of the time. All the ending to this film is show you who doesn't die.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

That does bring up one valid point.

For all we know, Mystique dies in X-Men Apocalypse. Perhaps to save the X-Men we see at the end of DoFP.

For all we know, Magneto dies. O_O Please god don't let this happen.

Nightcrawler, Quicksilver and Angel are also potential collateral damage I suppose. :/

 

[Heretic]

This keeps getting mentioned and I don't see the issue. Its a comicbook movie. How many of them end with the heroes losing in the end? The X-men have won their battle in every single one of these films. Seriously, before you even hit the theater, you can bet on that happening like 99% of the time. All the ending to this film is show you who doesn't die.

These are movies that ask us to involve ourselves emotionally in life or death struggles. Sure, deep down we know that everything will likely be alright in the end...but we shouldn't be thinking about that during the film. However, it is now impossible to be invested in the struggle of the X-Men because we know that none of them are going to lose their struggle in Apocalypse...or the next film...or the next film...or the next film. They are alive and well, smiles on their faces, in the far future. Including that scene was a mistake.

 

[neemer5]

Obviously there are plot holes.
The first one, mentioned by others, is the fact that Quicksilver wasn't used to stop Mystique from the beginning.
The second is why they felt they had to break out Magneto in the first place. He could help convince her I think was their argument, yet he was never used in that capacity. All he did was screw everything up. They really struggled with fitting the character in, and they really didn't develop Young Magneto enough to justify his intentions.

 

[neemer5]

Some details bugged me. The main thrust of the story was satisfying.

- No explanation about Xavier's Return? I didn't expect a long winded essay, but was surprised there wasn't a throw-away line considering the film was dealing with a similar kind of shifting consciousness.

- Future Logan's metal claws. They weren't used at all, so why bother creating that inconsistancy? Should have just left them as they were,

- Toad's different appearance didn't bother me until he did nothing in the film. Could have been any other character.

- I was kind of disappointed that it wasn't Stryker at the very end who picked up Wolverine from the lake. It was a neat way to tie a few things up, and would have been a good end for a story arc that has appeared more than enough already.

- No mention of Erik helping to build Cerebro. I was really hoping this would come up at some point. It's a big plot hole in my opinion, easily dealt with. He could have helped during the events of First Class.

Overall I was pretty happy with everything. Maybe a little more detail about how 2023 came to be would have been nice, but the beginning was exposition heavy already.

Wolvie's claws I presumed were probably done with Magneto's help, but yeah a throwaway line would have helped. I could have sworn that Magneto helped reposition cerebro during FC. As far as Toad, it seemed that he and Quicksilver were going to be members of the Brotherhood, as they both seemed inspired by Magneto's tv moment. Maybe this was to foreshadow their relationship? But I"m just assuming it's just a different Toad.

 

[BMM]

These are movies that ask us to involve ourselves emotionally in life or death struggles. Sure, deep down we know that everything will likely be alright in the end...but we shouldn't be thinking about that during the film. However, it is now impossible to be invested in the struggle of the X-Men because we know that none of them are going to lose their struggle in Apocalypse...or the next film...or the next film...or the next film. They are alive and well, smiles on their faces, in the far future. Including that scene was a mistake.

It doesn't bother me in First Class, or any other property in which the main characters are obviously not going to die. I don't expect it to bother me in X-Men: Apocalypse.

Besides, I'm sure the writers can figure out a way to get around that, if they want to.

 

[Human Torch]

Some details bugged me. The main thrust of the story was satisfying.

- No explanation about Xavier's Return? I didn't expect a long winded essay, but was surprised there wasn't a throw-away line considering the film was dealing with a similar kind of shifting consciousness.

- Future Logan's metal claws. They weren't used at all, so why bother creating that inconsistancy? Should have just left them as they were,

- Toad's different appearance didn't bother me until he did nothing in the film. Could have been any other character.

- I was kind of disappointed that it wasn't Stryker at the very end who picked up Wolverine from the lake. It was a neat way to tie a few things up, and would have been a good end for a story arc that has appeared more than enough already.

- No mention of Erik helping to build Cerebro. I was really hoping this would come up at some point. It's a big plot hole in my opinion, easily dealt with. He could have helped during the events of First Class.

Overall I was pretty happy with everything. Maybe a little more detail about how 2023 came to be would have been nice, but the beginning was exposition heavy already.

Yeah,I'd say these are all things that crossed my mind.

I'm also kinda bugged that Moira Mactaggart was actually treated more faithfully in X3 (a doctor,colleague of Xavier) than in First Class (CIA Agent that doesn't remember him any more).Granted that's more a flaw of First Class than this film.

I also thought they killed off too many characters willy nilly.Emma,Azzazal,Banshee (who's daughter was in X2).How can they bring them back if need be,now?

 

[Mrs Vimes]

This keeps getting mentioned and I don't see the issue. Its a comicbook movie. How many of them end with the heroes losing in the end? The X-men have won their battle in every single one of these films. Seriously, before you even hit the theater, you can bet on that happening like 99% of the time. All the ending to this film is show you who doesn't die.

Well what if, at the very end of the first Lord of the Rings, you suddenly got this flash forward scene where good guys win, Sauron is defeated and all is good in Middle Earth? Of course I know 100% that this is going to happen, but I don't want to see it cemented before the series' end.

It didn't bother me in First Class to know for sure that Erik, Charles, Hank and Raven are not going to die, but prequels are a completely different proposition - their specific purpose is to tell a backstory to the existing movies. They're not really about "what's going to happen" but "how things happened".

With DoFP, they did the whole time travel story to release the FC cast movies from the constraints of a prequel, but then immediately locked the final outcome down, so it's like these movies are now prequels to a 5-minute sequence.

And frankly that whole sequence was like fanfic brought to life.

 

[Havok83]

These are movies that ask us to involve ourselves emotionally in life or death struggles. Sure, deep down we know that everything will likely be alright in the end...but we shouldn't be thinking about that during the film. However, it is now impossible to be invested in the struggle of the X-Men because we know that none of them are going to lose their struggle in Apocalypse...or the next film...or the next film...or the next film. They are alive and well, smiles on their faces, in the far future. Including that scene was a mistake.

Well what if, at the very end of the first Lord of the Rings, you suddenly got this flash forward scene where good guys win, Sauron is defeated and all is good in Middle Earth? Of course I know 100% that this is going to happen, but I don't want to see it cemented before the series' end.

It didn't bother me in First Class to know for sure that Erik, Charles, Hank and Raven are not going to die, but prequels are a completely different proposition - their specific purpose is to tell a backstory to the existing movies. They're not really about "what's going to happen" but "how things happened".

With DoFP, they did the whole time travel story to release the FC cast movies from the constraints of a prequel, but then immediately locked the final outcome down, so it's like these movies are now prequels to a 5-minute sequence.

And frankly that whole sequence was like fanfic brought to life.

you only know the fate of a handful of characters. There will be new ones that will be introduced that are a blank slate. You also don't know what crap will be thrown at them and if they survive that

 

[DrDoom]

I would've liked to see more of the human's side in the future. Who exactly was in charge and why would they prefer the destroyed cities to living with mutants?

 

[Havok83]

I would've liked to see more of the human's side in the future. Who exactly was in charge and why would they prefer the destroyed cities to living with mutants?

What makes you think anyone prefers destroyed cities over living with mutants? The movie said that the sentinels turned on humans and the situation got completely out of control. I think by the time those who pushed for the sentinel program saw the error in their ways, it was too late. I dont beleive there is anyone in control. Government collapsed and its complete anarchy with those living fighting for survival

 

[Mrs Vimes]

The movie did say that only the worst of humanity was in charge. Someone must be running all those prison camps, for one thing.

 

[Hyde]

I think they kinda missed an opportunity with Bolivar Trask. Like, this guy was basically Hitler to the mutants but he seemed far too nice and kind. His viewpoint on the mutants was interesting - he viewed them as a way to get to world peace - but no matter how much you sugarcoat it, building giant machines to target and execute/capture/torture millions of people is horrifying. Just a scene or two showing Trask torturing mutants (Banshee? Emma Frost? Could have been a good opportunity for a cameo) would have solidified how big a threat he was.

 

[Drizzle]

There was nothing I outright didn't like about the movie. The continuity errors can make your head spin sometimes, but that's been happening in this series a lot, so I'm used to it at this point.

I would have liked an explanation as to how Wolverine got his adamantium back, but I guess it can be assumed that:

What we know after the events of X3:

- Magneto starts to gain his powers back due to the cure being a bust, as seen in the last shot of X3 (it's assumed that the same thing happens with Rogue)

- Xavier transfers his consciousness to a different body, as seen in the post-credits scene in X3. It is assumed that he used his powers to change his appearance to his old self, but no idea why he still needs a wheelchair or what the deal is with Moira in that scene.

- Logan leaves the mansion and heads to the Canadian wilderness.

What we can assume happened after X3:

- The Sentinel program comes into play, prompting Charles and Erik to find each other and join forces against the threat.

What we know happened after the events of The Wolverine:

- As seen in the credits scene, Logan (still without his adamantium) is recruited by Xavier and Magneto at the airport.

What we can assume happened between The Wolverine and Days of Future Past:

- Wolverine re-joins the X-Men

- The super-sentinels we see in the future scenes become operational

- Magneto coats Wolverine's skeleton with adamantium. We know he can do this because of the train scene where he coated the inner machinery of the Sentinels with metal. As to where he got the adamantium? No idea.

 

[X-Maniac]

There was nothing I outright didn't like about the movie. The continuity errors can make your head spin sometimes, but that's been happening in this series a lot, so I'm used to it at this point.

I would have liked an explanation as to how Wolverine got his adamantium back, but I guess it can be assumed that:

What we know after the events of X3:

- Magneto starts to gain his powers back due to the cure being a bust, as seen in the last shot of X3 (it's assumed that the same thing happens with Rogue)

- Xavier transfers his consciousness to a different body, as seen in the post-credits scene in X3. It is assumed that he used his powers to change his appearance to his old self, but no idea why he still needs a wheelchair or what the deal is with Moira in that scene.

- Logan leaves the mansion and heads to the Canadian wilderness.

What we can assume happened after X3:

- The Sentinel program comes into play, prompting Charles and Erik to find each other and join forces against the threat.

What we know happened after the events of The Wolverine:

- As seen in the credits scene, Logan (still without his adamantium) is recruited by Xavier and Magneto at the airport.

What we can assume happened between The Wolverine and Days of Future Past:

- Wolverine re-joins the X-Men

- The super-sentinels we see in the future scenes become operational

- Magneto coats Wolverine's skeleton with adamantium. We know he can do this because of the train scene where he coated the inner machinery of the Sentinels with metal. As to where he got the adamantium? No idea.

Yes, that's pretty much it. As for where Magneto got the adamantium, there was plenty of it around in The Wolverine (Yashida was said to have been stockpiling it, and built a samurai suit / mecha out of it). It's not as rare as we think, just that its properties are not well known. Quite how Stryker in Origins knew of its potential when searching for that meteorite is another matter.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Has anyone in an interview or anything explained how Kitty was able to send people back in time? That is probably the only thing in the movie I question.

 

[DrDoom]

What makes you think anyone prefers destroyed cities over living with mutants? The movie said that the sentinels turned on humans and the situation got completely out of control. I think by the time those who pushed for the sentinel program saw the error in their ways, it was too late. I dont beleive there is anyone in control. Government collapsed and its complete anarchy with those living fighting for survival

The Sentinels turned on the humans that would have had mutant offspring leaving the rest in charge. In the beginning you can see guards patrolling the camps.

 

[eledoremassis02]

I thought future Xavier was strong enough to not need cerebro and in a weird chance connected with his past self while was using cerebro thus
"I had a glimpse of the past"
and sent Wolverine back.

Then when I heard it was kitty, I thought Xavier still sent him back but used kitty to separate Wolverine physically and mentally, which she did anyway.

I assume it was a secondary power that was discovered through stress, much like how Eric found his powers to begin with.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Pretty convenient new power!

 

[Spider-Fan]

I thought future Xavier was strong enough to not need cerebro and in a weird chance connected with his past self while was using cerebro thus
"I had a glimpse of the past"
and sent Wolverine back.

Then when I heard it was kitty, I thought Xavier still sent him back but used kitty to separate Wolverine physically and mentally, which she did anyway.

I assume it was a secondary power that was discovered through stress, much like how Eric found his powers to begin with.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that she evolved her power outside the confines of walking through walls, and she discovered her power was actually slipping through 3rd dimension (aka, matter), which she evolved into being able to slip through the 4th dimension (time) as well. That is the only way I make sense of it.

 

[eledoremassis02]

The only thing that makes sense to me is that she evolved her power outside the confines of walking through walls, and she discovered her power was actually slipping through 3rd dimension (aka, matter), which she evolved into being able to slip through the 4th dimension (time) as well. That is the only way I make sense of it.

I can't remember when or who...but I think Singer said it was something like that..phasing through time, like walls.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Just a few minor things:

I didn't mind hearing John Ottman's re-use the theme for X2 although I much preferred John Powell's score from X3 and I wished that Ottman's had used Magneto's theme from XMFC, yeah I know that movie was scored by Henry Jackman but still that theme felt so iconic kind of like Darth Vader's Imperial March.

 

[djsunyc]

anything bad that happens in the future can easily be undone by sending wolverine back. total cop out and why i hate time travel storylines.

"president got shot" - oh well, let's send wolverine back.
"little boy falls into a river and drowns" - oh well, let's send wolverine back.

first 3 movies are now erased from existence. all emotional investments in characters deaths are now cheapened.

 

[Human Torch]

anything bad that happens in the future can easily be undone by sending wolverine back. total cop out and why i hate time travel storylines.

"president got shot" - oh well, let's send wolverine back.
"little boy falls into a river and drowns" - oh well, let's send wolverine back.

first 3 movies are now erased from existence. all emotional investments in characters deaths are now cheapened.

I think that would suppose that Kitty's powers were still "evolved" in the new timeline,which would be unlikely.

 

[Human Torch]

The only thing that makes sense to me is that she evolved her power outside the confines of walking through walls, and she discovered her power was actually slipping through 3rd dimension (aka, matter), which she evolved into being able to slip through the 4th dimension (time) as well. That is the only way I make sense of it.

That's pretty much how I saw it as well.