Days of Future Past What you didn't like about X-Men:DOFP - Flaws/Critiques

[X-Maniac]

The better idea would be killing Trask after being born.

Or do they stop Trask from ever being born? Do they kill his parents?

Or do they stop Mystique ever being born?

Or.... do we just accept that they didn't take this route with the movie!?

 

[Nicky]

You should be grateful that danoyse hasn't already banned you, as it is. If you were confronting someone like C Lee to "just ban you", he wouldn't think twice.

We'll see how this plays out....

It's not exactly 'lucky' when freedom of speech is banned and you're living in fear of expressing an opinion that goes against the majority. Like I said, after danoyse called me 'ridiculous' with an 'ego' and then threatened to ban me when I hadn't dished out any personal insults I stopped caring whether or not I lose my privilege to post. If that's how a mod can behave that means FMs aren't really protected here unless they're drinking the kool-aid. And I can't do that.

 

[X-Maniac]

Acceptance is saying "you know what? Let's agree to disagree." Not relentlessly arguing and arguing and repeating and repeating..

Which is exactly what you have been doing. You are as guilty of that. What people were doing is discussing the points you raised, and offering their views and explanations.

But you wanted validation and status, like some sort of crazy Big Brother contestant.

You have a terrible confrontational attitude. It really stinks.

 

[Travesty]

Everybody has freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean you have no consequences with what you say. I have freedom of speech to go tell my boss to go **** himself, but he then has a right to fire me over that.

 

[Nicky]

Everybody has freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean you have no consequences with what you say. I have freedom of speech to go tell my boss to go **** himself, but he then has a right to fire me over that.

Ok, so you're saying this is the equivalent to telling your boss to go f him/herself:

- JFK being a mutant. No, just no.
- Never explaining where Kitty Pryde's sudden ability to transport people through time came from.
- Wolverine being sent back to a time when Magneto and Professor X couldn't be further apart. Um, why?
- Not explaining how Charles got to keep his body. Yes, I've heard the lame twin brother story but it's ever actually addressed in the movie. Also, his twin brother conveniently can't walk either? lol
- Wolverine's adamantium claws
- Why was Charles able to walk when he visited Jean?
- Storm being completely side lined once again

This is my original response to this thread that started all the hostile responses. It's as if people are so insecure in their opinions they won't feel validated unless everyone agrees with them. Does me pointing out these flaws ruin DOFP for people? Because if I'm wrong, it shouldn't. And if it shouldn't then we shouldn't even be having these debates.

 

[Nicky]

Which is exactly what you have been doing. You are as guilty of that. What people were doing is discussing the points you raised, and offering their views and explanations.

Yes, and I'm saying I don't care what your response is. This thread is called What you didn't like about X-Men: DOFP
The OP created this thread for people to discuss what they personally did not like. You're telling me I'm wrong for feeling this way, fine, but we're several pages in now and I have not changed my mind. Give up.

 

[Travesty]

No, it's not the same thing, it was just a simple analogy to show you that "freedom of speech" still has consequences attached to it.

You're already acting like an ass, and then you're challenging a mod to ban you. Yes, those are plenty of reasons that could easily lead to a banning.

 

[X-Maniac]

This is my original response to this thread that started all the hostile responses. It's as if people are so insecure in their opinions they won't feel validated unless everyone agrees with them. Does me pointing out these flaws ruin DOFP for people? Because if I'm wrong, it shouldn't. And if it shouldn't then we shouldn't even be having these debates.

There's nothing wrong with raising those issues. Others mentioned them too. Some mentioned entirely different issues.

What people were doing is offering views and explanations on them. But you refuse to entertain any of that. You just want your flaws to be your flaws whatever anyone else says. Like I said, bad attitude.

 

[Nicky]

There's nothing wrong with raising those issues. Others mentioned them too. Some mentioned entirely different issues. What people were doing is offering views and explanations on them. But you refuse to entertain any of that. You just want your flaws to be your flaws whatever anyone else says. Like I said, bad attitude.

You've given your views and explanations. I've analysed them. I reject them and conclude I am right. You must accept that you have failed in your endeavour to change my mind.

 

[danoyse]

Yes, and I'm saying I don't care what your response is. This thread is called What you didn't like about X-Men: DOFP
The OP created this thread for people to discuss what they personally did not like. You're telling me I'm wrong for feeling this way, fine, but we're several pages in now and I have not changed my mind. Give up.

See, this is where we're having a problem. There were hundreds of posts in this thread already discussing things people didn't like about the movie - with discussion about what worked to some people and not for others.

Your problem here is that you suggested what you thought was a better idea, and the end result was that everyone in the discussion disagreed with you.

It's not a matter of people being unable to admit there were flaws in the film. It's not a matter of you not being allowed to have an opinion. It's not a matter of fans not being able to 'handle' your opinion. They just don't like your idea, and have been giving the reasons why. Some (myself included), think your idea was terrible, and have said so.

You are the one who can't seem to handle an opinion. You're acting like a victim, insisting your opinion can't be handled and that people won't admit the movie has flaws...which is not what has been going on here for this entire discussion.

And this has been going on for hours. Because it's clear that this will not come to any sort of impasse, you get told to stop and suddenly you go full-martyr by acting like your 'rights' have somehow been trampled on. How ridiculous.

No one agrees with your opinion on this. That's just how it is.

 

[Nicky]

No, it's not the same thing, it was just a simple analogy to show you that "freedom of speech" still has consequences attached to it.

Yes. That's exactly the problem.

You're already acting like an ass, and then you're challenging a mod to ban you. Yes, those are plenty of reasons that could easily lead to a banning.

Since when it stating an opinion on topic acting like an 'ass'?

Oh, and don't get it twisted: danoyse threatened to ban me for continuing the debate. He/she has already banned me from the discussion because I had the audacity to not be phased by all the criticism against me. That means either way I'm banned. If a mod tells you to leave the discussion or get banned that's like equivalent of Two Face sparing Maroni then shooting his driver in the 'Dark Knight'. Doesn't really leave me a choice so thus I don't care.

 

[danoyse]

Yes, and I'm saying I don't care what your response is. This thread is called What you didn't like about X-Men: DOFP
The OP created this thread for people to discuss what they personally did not like. You're telling me I'm wrong for feeling this way, fine, but we're several pages in now and I have not changed my mind. Give up.

But you've spent hours now throwing a fit because no one agrees with yours.

 

[danoyse]

Oh, and don't get it twisted: danoyse threatened to ban me for continuing the debate. He/she has already banned me from the discussion because I had the audacity to not be phased by all the criticism against me. That means either way I'm banned. If a mod tells you to leave the discussion or get banned that's like equivalent of Two Face sparing Maroni then shooting his driver in the 'Dark Knight'. Doesn't really leave me a choice so thus I don't care.

No, I told you to leave the discussion because it had reached the point where the same arguments were being debated over and over again. You had decided to make the argument all about you because no one was agreeing with you. The discussion had run its course and your attitude needed to stop, so you were warned to move on or deal with a probation.

At this point it's clear you're going to make yourself a martyr over this, but that's what all of this is.

 

[Nicky]

See, this is where we're having a problem. There were hundreds of posts in this thread already discussing things people didn't like about the movie - with discussion about what worked to some people and not for others.

Yes, and they've often been met with equal hostility.

Your problem here is that you suggested what you thought was a better idea, and the end result was that everyone in the discussion disagreed with you.

No. You didn't merely disagree you were trying to force me to agree with you. One tactic was to call me names like "ass", "ridiculous", "can't read". These are all childish insults lobbied in a debate when the person who is losing gets frustrated that their opponent is disagreeing with them. I've kept a cool head throughout. The only reason why this discussion is going is because people are still trying to change my mind in order to validate their opinions. Who cares what lil ol' me thinks? t:

It's not a matter of people being unable to admit there were flaws in the film. It's not a matter of you not being allowed to have an opinion. It's not a matter of fans not being able to 'handle' your opinion. They just don't like your idea, and have been giving the reasons why. Some (myself included), think your idea was terrible, and have said so.

Yes. And I don't care.

You are the one who can't seem to handle an opinion. You're acting like a victim, insisting your opinion can't be handled and that people won't admit the movie has flaws...which is not what has been going on here for this entire discussion.

Oh, I'm no victim here. You're trying to intimidate me but you lost that card by explicitly threatening to ban me if I didn't stop having the discussion - in doing that, you've banned me already so now I don't care. And like I said, if you think the movie is perfect I'm happy for you. I wish I did. But I don't. In my opinion it has flaws.

No one agrees with your opinion on this. That's just how it is.

Good. Like I said, I'm happy for everyone who thinks the movie is perfect. I don't.

 

[X-Maniac]

You've given your views and explanations. I've analysed them. I reject them and conclude I am right. You must accept that you have failed in your endeavour to change my mind.

I conclude you have a terrible attitude problem.

I'm not trying to change your mind. It's clear to everyone what sort of person you are.

 

[danoyse]

Feel free to ban me

Like a Genie, I can grant wishes...

 

[Katara Rises]

Wow, this is still going on.


Anyways, one thing I disliked was Wolverine having metal claws in the future. Considering future Wolverine didn't do any fighting anyways, I feel like they should have just kept them bony, to not contradict the ending of The Wolverine.

I know people say that "Magneto just fixed him" or something but I kind of think that's a weak explanation, especially since it's not explained or mentioned at all.

They should have just included one line saying Magneto fixed his claws, or they should have just kept them bone since he only does one notable thing in the future anyways (cut Kitty, which he could have done with bone claws).

 

[danoyse]

I wouldn't have minded an explanation for the claws or how Xaiver returned. But at that point so much time had passed that it would have been a lot of explain in an opening that was already so exposition-heavy.

 

[Katara Rises]

Oh, I forgot about Xavier. I actually think that's even more of a flaw. The "comatose twin brother" explanation is really weak. I know we all hate The Last Stand but we can't just say major events from that movie didn't happen.

I'm not sure how they could have organically inserted the information about how Charles got his "new" body, though. Maybe they should have said something about his body in the after credits sequence of The Wolverine? I guess that's a flaw of that movie though, haha.

 

[danoyse]

I haven't even followed the stuff about the "twin brother". I just stick to whatever happened in the end credits scene in X3 meant he'd found a way back somehow.

What it was, it would have been nice to know. But I'm ok with it left unexplained as well.

Once Magneto turned up in an airport asking Wolverine for his help, I just assumed he helped replace his adamantium claws somehow.

 

[Katara Rises]

Supposedly Charles had an identical twin brother who was brain-dead, and despite that he was still kept alive and on health-support for like 60 years...Also, this twin happened to have enough body deterioration to only affect his legs, not the rest of his body...and by the way none of this is even hinted at all in the movie.

Honestly, a better explanation is that Charles just takes over the movie universe's Patrick Stewart. Patrick Stewart got into a severe car accident and was in the hospital. When Charles disintegrated he transferred his consciousness over to Patrick's body. Charles thus ended Patrick's movie career, for the sake of obtaining a body that looks like him.

Makes more sense than the twin brother theory lol

 

[X-Maniac]

The funny thing is that I do acknowledge the existence of the issues raised by Nicky. But I don't find them a major migraine.

I don't find the lack of explanation ruined the movie. We already had a big lump of spoon-fed exposition about the time travel and Trask, and I think to go through each of those other points would have bogged down the story.

By 2023, Xavier's survival wouldn't be an issue with the other characters; they would already have found out about it and discussed it. So they wouldn't be mentioning it and referencing it all the time.

The film does jump over parts of the timeline in order to tell its story. It doesn't tell us everything that happened from 1962 to 1973, or from 2007 to 2013 (X3 to Wolverine), or 2013 to 2015 (Wolverine and Yukio's travels), or 2015 to 2023 (end teaser of Wolverine to future part of DoFP).

My feeling is that Singer and the writers and producers did not want to have to deal with the explanation for Xavier's survival as given in X3. Whatever you come up with, it sounds really silly when said out loud.

About the only point where I could see an explanation slipped in would be when Xavier is clarifying what Kitty and Bishop have been doing.

Xavier: 'No, just his consciousness, into his younger body, his younger self'

and then add in: "...in much the same way i managed to survive being destroyed by Jean. Remember?'

But then even that begs the question of where Xavier got his new body from. Yes, it was a twin brother who had been lying comatose for 70 years and whose muscles would be atrophied. But it just sounds hokey and not something Singer would have done...

Sometimes less is more.

 

[KevanG]

Surprisingly despite hating X3, Origins and The Wolverine I really enjoyed Dofp. I loved FC so that helped a lot too. I didn't actually have that much of an issue with it besides a few scenes. I had issues with Kitty suddenly getting the time travel power and it being Wolverine who takes center stage again.

I've mostly put X3 out of my head and I figured that in a world where a guy can live to be 115 and look 30 and another can shoot laser beams out of his head that cloning a brain dead body just in case really isn't that much of a stretch.

I had almost no other issues though, Wolverine took backstage to much of the plot, Kitty doesn't matter much after the opening scenes and no one cares about Xaviers new body in the movie. Other than those small issues I thought it was fantastic, easily better than almost all other films in the franchise.

 

[PunyGod]

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[DrDoom]

Supposedly Charles had an identical twin brother who was brain-dead, and despite that he was still kept alive and on health-support for like 60 years...Also, this twin happened to have enough body deterioration to only affect his legs, not the rest of his body...and by the way none of this is even hinted at all in the movie.

Honestly, a better explanation is that Charles just takes over the movie universe's Patrick Stewart. Patrick Stewart got into a severe car accident and was in the hospital. When Charles disintegrated he transferred his consciousness over to Patrick's body. Charles thus ended Patrick's movie career, for the sake of obtaining a body that looks like him.

Makes more sense than the twin brother theory lol

In TLS Charles mentions the comatose guy as just some random guy, I doubt he would fail to mention "Oh, he's also my identical twin brother btw"

And in the scenes with Charles as a kid in First Class there is no mention of him having any siblings, think he evens mentions it when he asks Raven to basically be his sister.

So that "twin brother" theory holds absolutely no water