The Amazing Spider-Man When and how should Gwen Stacy die? - Part 1

[Venom'sDad]

Sorry if this isn't the case, but are people still arguing over the Gwen dying or not dying thing? Jeez...here's the answer. Marc Webb said that they were hinting towards the villain throughout the villain. *Sarcasm* I'm pretty sure they were talking about Mysterio being sick and needing a cure.

Sorry. Just saying. Back on the serious note. They were referring to Osborn throughout the whole film and if they have Gwen Stacy in the same movie trilogy as the Goblin, SHE WILL DIE. It's inevitable.

When one is doing a film with the title character arch-enemy is the CEO of a corporation that is center focus point of the title character angst, that most know alter-ego is the Green Goblin, of course Norman name will be mention countless of times, given he's not physically in the film...so yes Norman will be constantly name drop throughout a film, he's not in, featuring his company.

Cross Genectic Research(CGR) is the villain that is being hinted; so, I suggest looking at villains CGR may apply, such as Scorpion, Rhino, Venom(which I don't think will be the next villain), even villain whose genectic is fused with technology, like Electro, Shocker, Vulture, and even DocOck or Chameleon. Green Goblin will be held back til the third film I believe.

Just saying....don't expect to see Gwen's death in the next film.

 

[LegendAssemble]

When one is doing a film with the title character arch-enemy is the CEO of a corporation that is center focus point of the title character angst, that most know alter-ego is the Green Goblin, of course Norman name will be mention countless of times, given he's not physically in the film...so yes Norman will be constantly name drop throughout a film, he's not in, featuring his company.

Cross Genectic Research(CGR) is the villain that is being hinted; so, I suggest looking at villains CGR may apply, such as Scorpion, Rhino, Venom(which I don't think will be the next villain), even villain whose genectic is fused with technology, like Electro, Shocker, Vulture, and even DocOck or Chameleon. Green Goblin will be held back til the third film I believe.

Just saying....don't expect to see Gwen's death in the next film.

Why? The pacing would be awful if they held him for the third film, when by all means theres no need to. Oscorp is an organization that can out live him and truth be told the main antagonist is most likely who ever was after Richard Parker in the beginning of the film. Combine that with all the foreshadowing of Gwens death, it's almost guaranteed thats whats coming next.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Agree. The man in the shadows must be Osborn. The film hinted at him too many times to not be.

It's either Osborn or whoever ransacked the parker home.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think Osborn will be a main focus of the second film, but not the super-villain. They will develop his character as CEO of the film's major corporation, as the main character's new best friend's father and as a total creep, but they will save Green Goblin for film 3. I think one way Nolan misstepped was using Batman's arch nemesis in film 2 of 3. And in that way, I believe both Iron Man and Amazing Spider-Man will improve.

Osborn may be in charge of creating or employing ASM2's villain (Electro, Vulture, Mysterio, etc.) but to emphasize the importance of his character I think he will be stretched across all three films. As a man in the shadows in ASM, as CEO Norman Osborn in ASM2 and as the GREEN GOBLIN in ASM3.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I think Osborn will be a main focus of the second film, but not the super-villain. They will develop his character as CEO of the film's major corporation, the main character's best friend's father and a total creep, but they will save Green Goblin for film 3. I think one way Nolan misstepped was using Batman's arch nemesis in film 2 of 3. And in that way, I believe both Iron Man and Amazing Spider-Man will improve.

Osborn may be in charge of creating or employing ASM2's villain (Electro, Vulture, Mysterio, etc.) but to emphasize the importance of his character I think he will be stretched across all three films. As a man in the shadows in ASM, as CEO Norman Osborn in ASM2 and as the GREEN GOBLIN in ASM3.

Personally I think Goblin is going to be in both, but that being said, Spider-Man and the Green Goblin, while arch enemies are very different from Batman and the Joker. Doctor Octopus and Venom come in close second and third.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

But when you are talking about ramp up, making each consecutive film more exciting and critical to the story, it is in my opinion that you don't go for a bell curve. You don't go from Scarecrow to Joker to Bane, you don't go from Lizard to Green Goblin to Mysterio/Doc Ock/Venom. You end on a high note. Or just do both lol. And I'm sure that wouldve been an option if Ledger was still with us. I remember all my friends insisted Joker was going to make a come back even if it wasn't Ledger.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well, I agree that whomever ransacked the house, which I believe was Chameleon, will have an important role in the next film. As far as pacing, no one knows what direction and/or approach they are going to take, so you can't predict pace.

Now, this is just me, but if Webb return, I don't think he is going to be predictable with Green Goblin. I do think there is a possibility that the Goblin shows up in name only hinting at his existence, or as a second side villain shadowy figure that the audience know is there, but don't get a good look at and make one appearence, like in a shadowy photo from the Bugle. However, I certainly don't think he will be the main villain.

Another thing on my mind is Harry....I certainly expect Webb to use Harry in a suggestive way, giving the audience the impression that something mysterious and creepy going on with Harry; that he could possibly be the Green Goblin. Creating a little mystery, intrigue, thriller. Especially, if for the second film, we still don't see who Norman is.

Just throwing it out there....at least, that's how I would do it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Agree. The man in the shadows must be Osborn. The film hinted at him too many times to not be.

while... i don't think the man in the shadows HAS to be norman (could easily be a cohort) but... goblin/norman is most certainly going to show up

 

[spideyboy_1111]

When one is doing a film with the title character arch-enemy is the CEO of a corporation that is center focus point of the title character angst, that most know alter-ego is the Green Goblin, of course Norman name will be mention countless of times, given he's not physically in the film...so yes Norman will be constantly name drop throughout a film, he's not in, featuring his company.

Cross Genectic Research(CGR) is the villain that is being hinted; so, I suggest looking at villains CGR may apply, such as Scorpion, Rhino, Venom(which I don't think will be the next villain), even villain whose genectic is fused with technology, like Electro, Shocker, Vulture, and even DocOck or Chameleon. Green Goblin will be held back til the third film I believe.

Just saying....don't expect to see Gwen's death in the next film.

eh... sorry but i really don't think cross genetics will be the feature of the franchise.. it's going to lead to soo much feeling soo similar.

 

[Venom'sDad]

eh... sorry but i really don't think cross genetics will be the feature of the franchise.. it's going to lead to soo much feeling soo similar.

The whole thesis of the film is based and revolve around it. That will continue to be the thesis as we learn more about Peter's parents, and their ties to Oscorps....and can very well be the vehicle to other villains origin.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The whole thesis of the film is based and revolve around it. That will continue to be the thesis as we learn more about Peter's parents, and their ties to Oscorps....and can very well be the vehicle to other villains origin.

i don't really see how that translate to every spider-villain be a effect of it...

I don't think that's going to be a "theme" at all... if so, than sony is already shooting themselves in the foot.

I think the osborn labs/genetics/parents storyline will all intersect.. but it doesn't mean every film will feature an animal based cross-specied villain.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I never said, "Every Film"....the coversation have been purely about the "Next Film". What are you talking about?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I never said, "Every Film"....the coversation have been purely about the "Next Film". What are you talking about?

... i can pretty much guarantee you wont see another cross-species villain in the next film... maybe the powers are very loosely derived from it... but you will not see a human/animal hybrid.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well, I can't guarantee that it wont, who knows what their approach or intention are....but it's central theme, besides cross genetics does not mean a human/animal hybrid....Spidey is not one. Vulture can just as well be used in a similar factor like Spidey....have some traits, still depend on mechanical devices.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, I can't guarantee that it wont, who knows what their approach or intention are....but it's central theme, besides cross genetics does not mean a human/animal hybrid....Spidey is not one. Vulture can just as well be used in a similar factor like Spidey....have some traits, still depend on mechanical devices.

i really wouldn't consider "cross genetics" a theme of the trilogy until we see the second. "cross genetics" at this point is just a theme of the first film. we really don't know anymore than that only each persons theories and speculations.

and yes, in my book spidey is partly one. lol and really? make vulture one? what's he have feathers ? sorry... just not liking that aspect..



and anyway.....

back to gwen's death

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ Than why say you can guarantee that it won't. You disagree just to be disagreeable.

 

[spidergeek232]

Oh my God.... o__o thats it! Have a different villain be the main villain (Electro, Mysterio, etc.) and have the Goblin be secondary. They'll view Harry as seeming to be the Goblin. Gwen dies at the end. Continuation in the third film with the Goblin. Norman reveals himself to be the Goblin. That would be awesome!!!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Because Im that confident

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Theme? idk if "cross-species genetics" can be considered a theme anyway? Maybe a recurring plot device or a trilogy-wide ethical dilemma... The theme of the first film is quite obviously outcasts. Both Peter and Connors are dealing with being on the outskirts of society. Peter as an orphan, Connors as a cripple. You see Peter attempt to fit into society, and you see the Lizard attempt to force society to fit into him.

The theme of the trilogy will likely be coming of age and search for identity, as that is generally Peter's shtick. At least, that's my interpretation thus far.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Theme? idk if "cross-species genetics" can be considered a theme anyway? Maybe a recurring plot device or a trilogy-wide ethical dilemma... The theme of the first film is quite obviously outcasts. Both Peter and Connors are dealing with being on the outskirts of society. Peter as an orphan, Connors as a cripple. You see Peter attempt to fit into society, and you see the Lizard attempt to force society to fit into him.

The theme of the trilogy will likely be coming of age and search for identity, as that is generally Peter's shtick. At least, that's my interpretation thus far.

Ditto

 

[LegendAssemble]

But when you are talking about ramp up, making each consecutive film more exciting and critical to the story, it is in my opinion that you don't go for a bell curve. You don't go from Scarecrow to Joker to Bane, you don't go from Lizard to Green Goblin to Mysterio/Doc Ock/Venom. You end on a high note. Or just do both lol. And I'm sure that wouldve been an option if Ledger was still with us. I remember all my friends insisted Joker was going to make a come back even if it wasn't Ledger.

Personally I think Goblins going to be the next villain and he's going to have role in the third. Remember after all in the comics Harry Goblin paid to have Chameleon make Peter think his parents were alive again. I could see a variation of this be the climax of the third film. Maybe Peter thinks his Father is still alive and doing something terrible but at the end he finds out it was actually Norman pulling the strings and he has to stop him, where he finally dies.

 

[Human Torch]

I think Emma is contracted for three films,so barring a long flashback scene,she probabaly won't die until 3.(if she dies at all)

 

[LegendAssemble]

I think Emma is contracted for three films,so barring a long flashback scene,she probabaly won't die until 3.(if she dies at all)

I'd say probably a lot of flasbacks and.

 

[Dagenspear]

lol, whatever you say...sweetie hahahahahaha

You proved my point.

 

[Dagenspear]

Except in context of a convo i don't feel i was off topic

But you were. I was off-topic. You were off-topic. We were off-topic together(romantic, huh?). It doesn't matter what you feel. Nothing we were talking about held any signifigance whatsoever to the topic at hand, hence "off-topic." At least the person I was defending was still on Spider-Man, which is a hell of a lot closer to the topic than we (you and me, both of us, together) were.