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Discussion in 'Spider-Man 1, 2 & 3' started by Kurt Wagner, Mar 8, 2004.
you d amn right you got told sunny-jim
Maybe it's just me... but does anyone like the "updated" costume of Goblin's by that Humerto Ramos in that "Return of the Goblin" story arc? I thought it was pretty weak myself.
And on another note... I actually DO like Doc Ock's updated black trenchcoat, black sunglasses look from Ramos more than say John Bryne's ill conceived mechanical scientist design from the late 90s (see Chapter One) or Bagley's design of the character for Ultimate S. (But more on bad costumes later...)
I would hope everyone could see some influences between Ock's NEW comic design and some elements from the Matrix. BUT SERIOUSLY GUYS... this isn't a bad thing. Just like how comics can influence film (Batman's costume leads to Matrix costumes), film can influence comics... and then back again. So while Ock's tentacles may have inspired some aspects of the Matrix movies, those movies' designs may have in turn led to the development of alternate Ock costumes. I see neither scenario as being a blatant "rip-off." Although I think it's ignorant for people to disregard the large role Matrix has had in shaping aspects of popular culture (books, movies, etc.)-- I admit it, and I don't even like the films. But people should also not be so up in arms about the Matrix because it borrowed many of it's core ideas on alternate realities from the early Christian Gnostic religion and yada yada yada. So folks should cool their heels and accept that great ideas can be inspired. (i.e. Dr. Doom+ Darkseid = Darth Vader)
And regardless, I think the person who originally made the Ock=Matrix remark was just noting his view that he sees more influence from the Matrix for Ock's movie costume design than he does for the X-Men's movie costumes designs -- NOT that Ock is a rip-off. I personally think the Matrix was more influential in determining the final design of the X-Men costumes...
Okay that may have been a long rant about meaningless sheeyat... but I wanted also to see what your opinion's were about other dumb Spidey Villian costume redesigns. I'll list my top 5:
1) Ultimate Goblin -- why is he the Abomination? Honorable mention: Ramos's redesign
2) Vulture from Chapter One -- FOR THE GOOD LORD'S SAKE! Penguins wear tuxedos, NOT vultures!!!! Honorable mention: Young Vulture
3) Doc Ock III -- an all-green metallic Spidey-villian? I just don't think this works! JrJr can design better than this!! Honorable mention: Ock's Chapter One costume with the GOGGLES!
4) Mysterio -- granted that his first costume has a fishbowl for a mask, I actually think its so odd and unusual that it works! I think the "smokey-face" design from the Ben Reilly days is weak.
5) Mecha-Hobgoblin-- another fabulous idea from the 90s...
If anyone has pictures of these HORRIBLE costumes it'd be funny if you could post them! I think after reviewing this list we can all assure ourselves that there are far worse fashion-fates out there waiting to befall our favorite villians than Goblin's Power Ranger outfit from the movie.
This doesn't belong here it belongs in the comics forum.
Sorry dude... I don't like posting a lot and I usually just read the boards... as you can see I have 38 posts but have been here far longer than you.
So you guys can reply to my discussion wherever... but I'm sure some discussion of crappy costumes will ultimately involve a discussion of movie costumes..............!
I agree with some of the points you made, stating that the comics and movies borrow off each other but you have to understand there are many dissapointed matrix fans who would have loved to see their precious trilogy rival the greatness of the second coming and will see that spider-man 2 will be a huge success and then rip it apart just because their beloved "matrix style" was incoporated into the spidey movie. Even in the 1st film where pete dodged flash's punch in slow mo and in the burning building scene where spidey dodged the razor bats in slow mo, a mass crowd of matrix fans b1tched about how spidey was ripping off matrix moves, can you believe that? Spidey ripping off matrix moves? What a joke, i almost felt like shooting them all in the forehead 3 times. Hardcore matrix fans are some of the most dangerous, angry and ******ed people on the planet. They believe that nothing compares to the matrix and if anyone in any film sports black shades or a frakin trenchcoat its like "o my God, they're ripping off our beloved matrix movies, lets do everything we can to boycott seeing this movie and yadda yadda yadda".
If anything, if we play by their rules we could easily turn round and say, "hold on, in that case the matrix movies ripped off the 1st blade movie, blade was the 1st movie to use bullet time effects, he wore a freakin black leather trenchcoat and black shades".
God, its people who think that matrix influenced everything from movies to freakin dog food that realy pi$$ me off.
This Ock looking like the Matrix is starting to get annoying.
I´agree the Warchowskis are the ones who where ripping from Movies and Comics from the last 40 years to create the Matrix Trilogy.
exactly not to mention characters like ock were created before the wachowski brothers were even born.
The organic web shooters were definetly worse than the green goblin costume. (As much as I didn't like the green goblin costume)
As has bin said before, if takes too much away from the original spiderman character. The minute you take away spidey's web shooters, or Captain America's shield, or Daredevils club, or Wolverines claws or even change these fundamental pieces of the character. You don't have the character anymore.
And Spider-Jibe, your comments are some of the most immature and rude, I've heard on a forum. Why not respond with some intelligence, instead of using insults, and saying everything
sucks if you don't agree with it. (your living proof that some kids should not be taught computer skills). If you don't like the post or comments then don't read them. And regarding that your so worried where everything belongs...I'll tell you what doesn't belong here is your attitude.
I always wanted to know.
Which is worse???
MJ's red wig or MJ's red wig.
I don't know which one makes me want to throw myself in front of a bus more..
Her wig wasnt bad IMO. I think she looked good.
ok, first of all assho1e its, spider-jide with a "d", you know as in d for your a dumb-ass!
Why is it that all of a sudden i post something that i dont agree with and then people start breathing down my neck. How many times have others done it before and on a much grander scale. I dont go around picking or looking for fights, its people like you who want to wind me up, just knock it off already, its been settled and yet you have to bring it up again, go and get a hobby or something and once again as for my posts, how many times have i said a thread or a post sucks? If you actually opened your eyes and read most of my posts you will see that they are intelligent, has meaning and are very constructive. Dont try and label me because of a minor argument i had with someone else and as for me being a child, i'm 19 so how that makes me a child is beyond me. Even on this page alone i've made meaningful posts, i dont see the need to try and justify my actions to you because who are you to me? Nobody. So get of my case and let me go about my business on the boards. I have over 3000 posts and i'd say about 4-6 of the 3000 posts are posts where i have taken thing a little too far but like i said whats done is done, so can we now just move on already.
Can't we all agree that Kirsten's snaggle teeth are the worst???
And to further prove my point, curt conners and anyone else who thinks i'm being notoriously out of order, go check out the "Does Doc. Ock's tentacles look familiar?" thread, there you will find that others, (i'm not naming names, go see for yourself) are far worse than i am.
Quick message to spider-jide. If I went a little too far with my comments, I apologise. I needed to get it off my chest and I may have got a little to personal.
All I'm saying is...peace!
Like you said, it's been said and is history. The last thing I want is to create a history.
For the record, I thought Ock's trench coat was dark green. Where in any pictures or movie clips is he wearing a "black" trenchcoat? Did Matrix invent and copyright dark green trenchcoats too, despite the fact that they had none in their movies?
yeah peace is definately needed and as for being friends, friends? Heh, this is the spidey boards, where we're all family dude.
Or whatever you call yourself, The reason your having fights with people here is becuause your buttons are so easy to press. It's not even a challenge
I'm sure you'll come back with another idiotic response and another rude remark you learned at highschool. And if you don't It's only because I had to spell it out for you.
Growup... Anyway I'm done with you.
I'm not going to come back with a witty retort and humiliate you because if you hadn't noticed we've all moved on and you still seem to be playing mr antagoniser. I've made my peace with taff and we're good. So i'm going to leave you to go around pushing people's buttons, its your choice and no your not done with me, i'm done with you! End of discussion!
Finally, a response without name calling, obscenities or insults. That was really my only beef.
Your response was an intelligent one, and I respect that, and I think other people will respect that more as well, if you keep on that vein. No hard feelings. And enjoy your time on the forums.
I liked both.
Yeah I agree with Curt Connor.The organics were definetely worse although they both suck BIG TIME!!! Spider-Man without the mechs is like Batman without the batmobile,or Captain America without his shield or James Bond drinking a beer instead of the classic martini shaken but not stirred that he always asked for.Its just not the true represention of his TRUE character.I also agree with you Kurt Wagner that the goblin really sucked also looking more like a damn alien from outer space instead of a goblin with the classic purple clothing.Whats laughable is people here say the goblin from the comics would have looked silly on the screen like they think they are expert film makers or something,sorry but THIS goblin costume looked 100 times worse on the screen than the classic goblin costume does.so weak argument.
It's their opinion of what would have looked better, but I think there was definitely a way they could have made the original GG costume look great on-screen. I mean, sure, there are going to be changes from comics to screen, that's a given. But the GG costume jus looked ridiculous, IMO. The same goes for the webshooters... there was definitely an awesome way to work them into the story but they didn't. Why? Maybe they're lazy, maybe it was budget, maybe it was personal taste, maybe it was to help the flow of the story on-screen better, or something else.
Going back to GG's costume... yeah, there are so many ways they could have at least made it closer to the original style, IMO. In fact, I might sketch some concepts for GG's on-screen costume and post them.
Am I upset about the webshooters? Yeah, I am. However they obviously aren't going to change it, and if they do that'd be a mistake now, IMO. I'm more concerned with how Ock's costume will look on-screen, because I cooled off about the webshooters a while ago.
Still, despite some possible problems with costumes, I think Spider-Man 2 will be better than the first.
The comic Goblin would of looked like a cheesefest... plain and simple. Would of destroyed the franchise before it even got started.
Edit: I wish they had gone with the body armor but let Norman decide to "amp it up"... adding his own "demented touch" to the military armor/weapon.
I would of liked to of seen the body armor with a more gothic touch to it.
Slag, good points
ps where's the money you promised for praising your ideas