Which was worse?
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Life sentance Dude.
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Aloha,
While I fully understand the need for shininess in a costume for the cinematic effect, ATHLETES don't wear leather!! Super athletes that is Super heroes wearing leather is by far the most impractical thing in the world. Name one sport where the players wear something that does not breathe and once it gets wet is murder to move around in? Motorcycle racers wear leather, but they're on bikes not moving around on the ground(we hope for their sakes). As we look at the Olympics we see every few years, someone comes up with a better type of swim suit or track and feild suit which is designed to let the athlete move freely and wick the perspiration away form the body. That would be the logical material to use by someone as physically active as a super hero. Neither boxers nor martial artists, nor gymnasts nor acrobats wear leather. Where are some of you people geting your examples from regarding leather?
Spidey rules in spandex
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"[...] Super heroes wearing leather is by far the most impractical thing in the world. Name one sport where the players wear something that does not breathe and once it gets wet is murder to move around in?"
Actually leather is very easy to wear because it actually does "breathe." What does not breathe and is a nightmare is any kind of synthetic leather, which is one of the most uncomfortable and unstretchy things in the world. If you sweat, its like being in a microwave and there is no give whatsoever.....
However leather would be totally unsuitable for superheroes (ahem, movie X-People, take note) because its 1. expensive - very 2. hard to repair or patch if it rips 3. hot, even if it does breathe. If you're in dark leather and the sun hits you, you get very warm very fast.
Not a good choice for anyone superpowered, I must agree, even if it does look great.
Actually leather is very easy to wear because it actually does "breathe." What does not breathe and is a nightmare is any kind of synthetic leather, which is one of the most uncomfortable and unstretchy things in the world. If you sweat, its like being in a microwave and there is no give whatsoever.....
However leather would be totally unsuitable for superheroes (ahem, movie X-People, take note) because its 1. expensive - very 2. hard to repair or patch if it rips 3. hot, even if it does breathe. If you're in dark leather and the sun hits you, you get very warm very fast.
Not a good choice for anyone superpowered, I must agree, even if it does look great.
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No. You act like your some sort of expert film maker. I agree that the mechs should have been in the movie but i've gotten over it and i'm not going to be sad enough to be creating threads about it 2years after the movie's release. As for the GG's costume, i can see what the film makers were trying to achieve but it could have been much better. In Osborn's mansion there were gothic-type masks decorating the house, proof that Osborn has this facination with dark and gothic things and it would have been great if osborn had modified the battle suit and made it more creepy looking. If harry does become the GG in the next movie or in any movie i hope they use that approach and if for whatever reasons mechs are introduced in the up-comming movie, i hope the introduction works out well, that way all those complaining can finally shut up at long last.
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GG woould've looked better like this.
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hmmm, i too have this pic and elecro looks pshyco.
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I thought the Goblin's costume was okay. But perhaps it would have benefited from being ever so slightly darker. You know,by just a touch.
The two things were totally a betrayal to the spider man mythos. Both were annoying and unjustified changes with any reason. Power ranger costume was a total joke, but with the organics they rapped the character and made of him a man spider. Both were a sin for the true spider man fans. They are just ridiculous and absurd. Its hard to choose , but the organics were a little bit worse than the goblin costume.
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SO SAYETH THE GREAT BAKERBOY WHO'S OPINION IS LAW.....NOT!!!
MOVE ON PLEASE WE ARE 2 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND THIS IS GETTING BEYOND OLD NOW. FIND ANOTHER MESSAGE BOARD TO POST YOUR DRIBBLE AT PLEASE! THANK YOU, DON'T COME AGAIN.
SPIDER - MAN 2 WILL RULE THE BOX OFFICE THIS
SUMMER. OH AND BY THE WAY NEITHER OF THE CHANGES WERE WORSE...THEY WERE BOTH FINE AND MADE SENSE IN THE MOVIE!
Originally posted by Venom71
SO SAYETH THE GREAT BAKERBOY WHO'S OPINION IS LAW.....NOT!!!
MOVE ON PLEASE WE ARE 2 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND THIS IS GETTING BEYOND OLD NOW. FIND ANOTHER MESSAGE BOARD TO POST YOUR DRIBBLE AT PLEASE! THANK YOU, DON'T COME AGAIN.
SPIDER - MAN 2 WILL RULE THE BOX OFFICE THIS
SUMMER. OH AND BY THE WAY NEITHER OF THE CHANGES WERE WORSE...THEY WERE BOTH FINE AND MADE SENSE IN THE MOVIE!
So speaks the Man-Spider fan.
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Mr Parker and Bakerboy: May I make the suggestion that you find a new topic about which to complain? Complaining is healthy and necessary, but it requires freshness to satisfy people's tastes. This topic is stale, and people of your level of dedication to Spider-Man can surely find a new flaw to discuss. You made your point, extreme though it be. I can't say I share your zealous hatred of the movie, but I agree with you. These changes were unforgivable. The people on this board aren't going to agree with you about this stuff now if they haven't already. You know you're right about the web-shooters, etc. If these people don't get it, then they just have lower standards and they aren't going to change. Find new flaws.
P.S.: I got banned from KMC permanently this time, so I'll be hanging around here from now on. I'm a baaaad boy.
P.S.: I got banned from KMC permanently this time, so I'll be hanging around here from now on. I'm a baaaad boy.
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If someone disagrees with someone else's opinion it doesn't mean that they have lower standards.
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Look, I may not be as much of a fanatic as Mr Parker and Bakerboy, but I am uncompromising when it comes to making flimsy excuses for laziness and arrogant treatment of long-standing icons. I actually know why they used the organic web-shooters, and I don't buy any excuses for it. Maybe it's not right to post incessant messages that declare people "Man-Spider" fans, but the backlash these guys have received indicates a weakness in those replying, be it in their intelligence, manners, or knowledge of the situation.
I've dealt with many people who insist on making excuses for unforgivable failures made in movie franchises. They don't like to think about things much, so they eat what they're spoon-fed by a media giant that panders to the lowest common denominator. If you're going to act like that lowest common denominator, then I calls 'em as I sees 'em. None of these people have yet brought a valid argument to defend the flaws I've attacked. When someone does, I will recant my statement about "lower standards." Until then, my standards for an intelligent defense for organic web-shooters or Sam Raimi's spare M.A.N.T.I.S. suit being used for the Green Goblin remain uncompromising. My challenge is for others to either admit it was a failure to include these features and then move on, or give a cohesive and thought-out reason why it's okay. I don't really expect people to meet this challenge. It's been two years, and I've heard every excuse a low-standard fan has to offer, and I've forgotten more counter-arguments than I'd ever need to demolish the opposing argument.
Bleargh. Now I'm getting all ranty and losing my train of thought. I'm gonna stop now and let people move on to more worthwhile topics.
I've dealt with many people who insist on making excuses for unforgivable failures made in movie franchises. They don't like to think about things much, so they eat what they're spoon-fed by a media giant that panders to the lowest common denominator. If you're going to act like that lowest common denominator, then I calls 'em as I sees 'em. None of these people have yet brought a valid argument to defend the flaws I've attacked. When someone does, I will recant my statement about "lower standards." Until then, my standards for an intelligent defense for organic web-shooters or Sam Raimi's spare M.A.N.T.I.S. suit being used for the Green Goblin remain uncompromising. My challenge is for others to either admit it was a failure to include these features and then move on, or give a cohesive and thought-out reason why it's okay. I don't really expect people to meet this challenge. It's been two years, and I've heard every excuse a low-standard fan has to offer, and I've forgotten more counter-arguments than I'd ever need to demolish the opposing argument.
Bleargh. Now I'm getting all ranty and losing my train of thought. I'm gonna stop now and let people move on to more worthwhile topics.
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I think the description of Man Spider is pretty imaginative, and certainly more accurate than Spider Man.
Look at the differences in the movie and original
Original: Webshooters Movie: No Webshooters
Original: Parker hired by Curt Connors and a budding Scientist Movie: Apparently Not even smart enough to keep a job with Curt Connors and is fired by Curt Connors
Original: Offered deal by wrestling promoter Movie: Ripped of by wrestling promotor.
Original: Uncle Ben Killed in House Parker doesnt see him again Movie: Uncle Ben killed in Street Parker says his good byes
Original No hooks on finger tips Movie hooks on finger tips.
Original: Changed to Spider Man by Radioactivity Movie: Genetically mutated.
Im still looking for Spider Man in this movie, Doesnt seem to have anything in common with the original except the costume and even thats bin altered. All I see is something else, might as well call it Man Spider.
Ill go one step further I actually thought the villian in The Movie was a fairly cool villian. But it certainly wasnt Green Goblin. Should of called him the Green Mech would of bin more accurate.
The point what people like Parker, Bakerboy and myself are trying to make is not to put down Spider Man or belittle these forums or peoples opinions but to wake the fans up. And ask the question how much are you willing to give up of your hero. How far are you willing to let Sony go? And are you just willing to settle?
If this happens I guarantee you the movies will not run long. They might get lucky using Spider mans name once or twice. But if they keep messing with a successful formula or character that has been popular about 40 years. It isnt going to go very far.
Look at the differences in the movie and original
Original: Webshooters Movie: No Webshooters
Original: Parker hired by Curt Connors and a budding Scientist Movie: Apparently Not even smart enough to keep a job with Curt Connors and is fired by Curt Connors
Original: Offered deal by wrestling promoter Movie: Ripped of by wrestling promotor.
Original: Uncle Ben Killed in House Parker doesnt see him again Movie: Uncle Ben killed in Street Parker says his good byes
Original No hooks on finger tips Movie hooks on finger tips.
Original: Changed to Spider Man by Radioactivity Movie: Genetically mutated.
Im still looking for Spider Man in this movie, Doesnt seem to have anything in common with the original except the costume and even thats bin altered. All I see is something else, might as well call it Man Spider.
Ill go one step further I actually thought the villian in The Movie was a fairly cool villian. But it certainly wasnt Green Goblin. Should of called him the Green Mech would of bin more accurate.
The point what people like Parker, Bakerboy and myself are trying to make is not to put down Spider Man or belittle these forums or peoples opinions but to wake the fans up. And ask the question how much are you willing to give up of your hero. How far are you willing to let Sony go? And are you just willing to settle?
If this happens I guarantee you the movies will not run long. They might get lucky using Spider mans name once or twice. But if they keep messing with a successful formula or character that has been popular about 40 years. It isnt going to go very far.
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He didn't get fired because he wasn't smart enough, it was because he wasn't around and wasn't doing his job because he was too busy beeing spider-man.
Also, with regard to the rest of your post, you said your yet to see spider-man, with that logic, i guess we're yet to see a daredevil movie, we're yet to see an x-men movie.
how? Well in daredevil there was no stick to train matt murdock, i didn't see kingpin, i saw a huge black guy calling himself kingpin but that wasn't the real kingpin.
what about x-men, lets see, original x-men, beast, iceman, angel, cyclops, jeane, prof x.
I didn't see beast i didn't see angel, heck i didn't see rogue either, where's her super strength, where's her flying ability?, where was iceman? he was originally a snowman didn't see that, i didn't even see him ice up, how comes collosus doesn't have a russian accent?
There are so many changes when comics are adapted to films because thats why they are there. I'm not making up excuses but all i'm saying is, if you want the true works of the comic book world, go and read the comics, thats why they are there, targeted for comic books fans all over the world. As for the movies, they are not made and done exactly according to the comic because the films aren't targeting comic book fans alone, they are targeting people who know nothing about the comics too so changes are made to make things seem more plausible and understanding to those who are not part of the comic book segment.
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Originally posted by spider-jide:
The original Daredevil origin story did not feature Stick. The one thing I thought was generally unimpeachable about the Daredevil movie was the origin story. They made a hybrid of the original, but mixed it with elements of Frank Miller's rewrite. If anything, the thing that makes it not Daredevil is the fact that he let a rapist die on the subway tracks and didn't save him-- a decision I myself applaud, and I also applaud them for making a gutsy decision with the character, but it isn't strictly accurate.
They haven't really made a real X-Men movie yet. Brian Singer is only attached to it because it will make him a ****load of money and he sees a political tie-in between mutants and homosexuals. That's all well and good-- not to mention unoriginal and obvious-- but it's a horrible situation to have a non-fan as a director. He's twisting and abusing a franchise that has been loved by millions for decades. He has no love for the comic, and he has barely read any of them.
I use Singer as a contrast for Raimi. Raimi may have made some huge mistakes, but he is a true, die-hard Spider-fan. The movie is less than it should be, but it did stay true to Spider-Man's essence, and that is why I won't go so far as to call it "Man-Spider" (also because Man-Spider from the cartoon scared me ****less and I don't want to think about it whiile watching a live-action movie).
By the way, in the comics, I'm not so sure Peter was hired as a budding scientist by Curt Conners. I know that when Spider-Man first met Conners, it was when he fought and cured the Lizard, and Conners had not yet met Parker.
The original Daredevil origin story did not feature Stick. The one thing I thought was generally unimpeachable about the Daredevil movie was the origin story. They made a hybrid of the original, but mixed it with elements of Frank Miller's rewrite. If anything, the thing that makes it not Daredevil is the fact that he let a rapist die on the subway tracks and didn't save him-- a decision I myself applaud, and I also applaud them for making a gutsy decision with the character, but it isn't strictly accurate.
They haven't really made a real X-Men movie yet. Brian Singer is only attached to it because it will make him a ****load of money and he sees a political tie-in between mutants and homosexuals. That's all well and good-- not to mention unoriginal and obvious-- but it's a horrible situation to have a non-fan as a director. He's twisting and abusing a franchise that has been loved by millions for decades. He has no love for the comic, and he has barely read any of them.
I use Singer as a contrast for Raimi. Raimi may have made some huge mistakes, but he is a true, die-hard Spider-fan. The movie is less than it should be, but it did stay true to Spider-Man's essence, and that is why I won't go so far as to call it "Man-Spider" (also because Man-Spider from the cartoon scared me ****less and I don't want to think about it whiile watching a live-action movie).
By the way, in the comics, I'm not so sure Peter was hired as a budding scientist by Curt Conners. I know that when Spider-Man first met Conners, it was when he fought and cured the Lizard, and Conners had not yet met Parker.
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I totally agree. The movie should be renamed 'Man-Spider vs. the Green Mech'. I'm glad to see that people here are trying to open other people's eyes about the travesty that Spiderman the movie was. I also agree with Herr Logan on the X-Men movie travesty. I've been very vocal in the past at how much I think Bryan Singer is a total jackass and I really hope that he would not physically be able to ruin another X-Men movie. If Sam Raimi is a die-hard Spider-fan then he shouldn't have made those changes. Same goes to Singer. I'm not going to be one of those fans that say "I don't care what changes they make to my favorite marvel hero, I just want to see the movie." Daredevil was ok but a black Kingpin is wrong. Just like if they made J. Jonah Jameson asian. Or get Beyonce to play Lois Lane! Do I need to go on?
