Which was worse?

[The Kid]

organics are worse. No one can argue their necessity to this franchise. Nobody.the suit doesn't look ******ed all the time, just when the goblin speaks and then it's MORPHIN TIME!!!.

Peter parker, boy-genius, builds a webshooting device and creates his own web formula. OK

some problems raimi has:

Too unrealistic. Yet getting bitten by a spider and gaining certain traits is. yet making a costume that probably cost several thousands of dollars while not having those several thousands of dollars is. Yet a rocket glider is. Yet micro hairs going through thick shoes is. Yet a suit's mask which magically attaches itself to the rest of the suit is. Yet that same suit with 0.00 visible holes for webshooting is.

Jesus, it's a movie, obviously we can handle this sort of stuff.

Now we have more problems. Does the webing evaporate after a short period of time or does a cleaning crew follow spidey around? How does no one, especially pete's doctor not see the spinnerets on his wrist? How the **** do those spinnerets work anyway? Looked like a yogurt stain than something you can shoot webs from.

what's teh point of gaining the symbiot suit. He already has a magical spidey suit and organic webbing and teh strengh of superman...

sign language? that's how he triggers the webs? ho ho ho...

 

[Kurt Wagner]

 

[Kmack]

I actually liked the organic webbing, Green Goblin's costume on the other hand. . .

 

[Nirvana]

Was I the only one who thought Organics was much better than a cartage? Personally I always though a web cartage was extremely stupid and organics made Peter seem more like a Spider. Also I thought the Green Goblin looked much much better than in the comics.

 

[spider-jide]

I'm sure everyone prefers organics over a cartage, heck, I dont even know what a cartage is.
Saying that, web cartridges would have added more to the lacking characterisation of Peter/spidey.

 

[Kmack]

Was I the only one who thought Organics was much better than a cartage?

No, I prefer organic webbing also

 

[Kurt Wagner]

It seems to me that in all the posts I read about peoples preferences to organics... it boils down to arguments on believability, or the idea that he should have had organics in the first place even in the comics. The first argument on believability never made sense to me because Parker was a genius and as such would be capable of doing things that may seem unbelievable. The later argument is probably the only valid argument I can accept for organics because it's more af a preference for the way the character should have been versus the way it really is... Although I don't agree with it myself, I can accept other's views on that unlike the believability argument.

The arguments against organics always boil down to being true to the character... which I agree with. Since Parker was created as a genius, then not being able to create webshooters as a product of his genius would be taking away from his genius character. For some, that would be an insignificant change, but everyone identifies with characters in their own ways. After all, the webshooters and his webswinging is one of his most useful powers... somethign he created from his minds, somethign that completed the the origin of spider-man... and when all his spider powers fail and when his cartridges jam up or fluid runs out... his real power is his genius.

 

[Riven]

Organics never bothered me. In fact, I think they're a vast improvement on the original idea.


GG's suit was inexcusable.

 

[J.R.]

Goblin's costume....I had no problem with the organic webbing.

 

[HighVoltage]

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[kenshin himura]

I actually had no problem with either,once you get over the extreme grossness of organic webbing in a human being you're ok and the green goblin costume never really mattered to me, he looked cheesy in the comics, why not look cheesy on the big screen!!! oh and with william dafoe is it? as green goblin, he didn't really need the
mask heheheeheh, i mean talk about great casting heheheahahahahaha!!!

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Oh jeese! Are we still having this stupid debate? My choice is neither.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

The organic webbing was ok,but i would have much prefered Peter with his Web-Shooters.It adds a hint of weakness to him,and at the same time it makes him more of a realistic hero.Which Spider-Man was known for.

But the Goblin`s Costume was horrible.I would have prefered a costume made from the 90`s Spider-Man cartoon.It looked really cheap,in that sence.More could have been done.

 

[Kurt Wagner]

I wouldn't say that this is a stupid debate... both the Goblin costume and the organic webbing are changes in the history of spider-man. Regardless of whether or not people agree or disagree on these changes... and regardless of how significant they feel these changes are... they are still changes and will always be debated among spider-man fans.

 

[Toxin]

P.S. Peter wasn't 16. I'm turning 17 in a few days for my senior year and I'm one of the youngest kids in school.

 

[WhiteRat]

I wouldn't say that this is a stupid debate... both the Goblin costume and the organic webbing are changes in the history of spider-man. Regardless of whether or not people agree or disagree on these changes... and regardless of how significant they feel these changes are... they are still changes and will always be debated among spider-man fans.

yeah this isnt a stupid debate.Its a great thread because they were both stupid and unnessary changes.

 

[co2]

The organic shooters I like. Peter having mechanical web-shooters always bugged me for some reason.
The Goblin's costume on the other hand definitely looked silly. But I can't think of another way to pull it off, so maybe it was as good as could be done.

 

[Zaphod]

The organic webbing made sense, as being part of the spider-mutation. If he can sprout tiny pincers from he's fingertips that enable him to climb, then why not organic web fluid from he's palms? True, I would have liked to see the scene where Peter develops the web shooters, but we didn't, and I dont mind at all.

The only aspect of the Goblin costume that bothered me was the mask/helmet, which I thought was to ''Power Rangers'' for my liking. I would have prefered some sort of burlap sack, with a thrown together, hand woven look. Something resembling the mask Crane uses in Batman Begins would have looked awesome.
The body suit, that is the armour, was fine, and looked good even. The reason it had no military insignia or labeling, was because it was an uncommisioned prototype, which was explained in the movie.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I also didn't see anything wrong with organic webshooters. I'll just show one of my previous posts on this subject.

The logic for not creating spider-man with organic webshooters was pathetic to begin with. It was really pretty dumb. It's like, ok let's make this guy with all the powers of a spider EXCEPT the one trait that is its most recognizable, the ability to shoot webbing. Yaa, not that great.

If they wanted to show peter's scientific genius, have him devise appendages, like the webshooters, that could add chemicals to his webing, like mabye a chemical for quick hardening to use on sandman, or a chemical that would make his webbing burn (like when he burned off the rhino's costume). That would have made more sence then not giving him organic webshooters to begin with.

 

[WhiteRat]

And again I must repeat with organics any dumb idiot like Flash Thompson could have become spider-man.The mechs make spidey unique because not just anybody could have created the fluid and the mechs to have become spider-man like he did.Geez I dont see why that is so hard for you to comprehend.That being the case,I say organics are worse.They both suck but organics are worse.

 

[Sam Raimi Sucks]

They both suck rocks but organics was the bigger sin of the two because organics completey changes his character.

 

[CrimeMaster!]

I haven't heard the old organics suck arguement in a while,feels like 2000-2001 again.

I didn't mind the Goblin's look that much,thought it made sense in the context of the film.Aside from the costume change Dafoe nailed the Norman Osborn/Green Goblin from the Stan Lee years to a T.


That mirror scene is just genius .Will be interesting to see Harry's revamp Goblin costume in 3.

 

[LostLilBunBun]

They both suck big time,but organics were the bigger sin,the organic ruin his character.

 

[CrimeMaster!]

They both suck big time,but organics were the bigger sin,the organic ruin his character.

Whats worse organics or your screen name?

 

[spider-jide]

And again I must repeat with organics any dumb idiot like Flash Thompson could have become spider-man.The mechs make spidey unique because not just anybody could have created the fluid and the mechs to have become spider-man like he did.Geez I dont see why that is so hard for you to comprehend.That being the case,I say organics are worse.They both suck but organics are worse.