Days of Future Past Which X-Men "Cast" (Team) should FOX give priority to?

[GoodYoung]

What about Sabretooth? Would be nice to see him again.

 

[magneto23]

I just find it hard to imagine that this series will thrive setting their stories in the past especially this series started setting their films in the modern-day period.

The setting of the time period doesn't matter. What ultimately matters, and what allows this series to thrive, is making good movies. Past, present, future audiences don't care as long as the movie is good. All the components are there with the FC crew to continue making good movies for a long time. So what if the stories take place 70's-90's? They have the time, because of the young cast, to tell half dozen good stories easy if they wanted to. That's plenty of potential movies which would be introducing new characters/villains all while advancing the core four. How would that not be "thriving"?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The original cast + newcomers or otherwise a hard reboot (less likely). I'm hoping DoFP generally wraps it all up on the past side of things.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The original cast + newcomers or otherwise a hard reboot (less likely). I'm hoping DoFP generally wraps it all up on the past side of things.

I'm pretty sure the Past stuff is left open for a sequel, Mcavoy has obviously read the script and at a comic con interview with Mcavoy he spoke very open about "the next film" he thinks he will be more like patricks Xavier

 

[Mr.M]

Well, Xavier, Magneto, and Rogue are all coming back, despite their fates in X-Men 3.

Singer also said he's maintaining continuity, so.... yea... I don't really see them "undoing" the events of X-Men 3 to bring back Cyclops when the last 2 movies released have tied themselves to the movies that came before them, including The Wolverine which explicitly tied itself to X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and was released less than a year before X-Men: Days Of Future Past will be, and the director of Days Of Future Past has gone on record saying he's maintaining continuity.

Then why was Marsden on a plane coming back from Montreal with Halle following the two weeks they were out there? Visiting the set? Filming a flashback scene when it has been eight years since TLS was filmed? Maybe it's an uncorroborated source, but if it pans out it's not a coincidence. There is a good chance he's in the film and he may not be dead after all. I'm not getting my hopes up, but clearly it can't be dismissed.

 

[GuestStar2004]

the idea behind X3 was that cyclops was dead, jean knew she killed him, Xavier also didn't give any indication he was alive infact the opposite and the whole graves stones thing is something that usually seals the deal with deaths

now as much as i don't like TLS to have him alive in the next film with some excuse seems like abit of a cop out which i don't think singer would do, i don't think singer has any plans to make certain scenes in TLS now seem unimportant

but can i see singer undoing the events of TLS with time travel... maybe, i mean the film is still there and leads to the events of DOFP so its not thrown away and still means something when watching it even if its no longer in continuity

 

[Mr.M]

Jean didn't have a clue where she was in TLS. She was completely delirious and oblivious. Who knows who she killed? Cyclops could easily be written back in. I don't think they go in that direction, but they could, and it would be consistent with Singer believing the changes or "fixes" would make the fans happy. We pretty much knew the cure would already be undone. That was evident in TLS and the end of The Wolverine, so this can't be the change Singer was talking about. Something in the timeline is going to change, at least that's how I'd interpret those quotes from him.

Pay attention to Stryker and Havoc in this movie. Obviously 1973 Wolverine is in Vietnam, so Stryker would seem obvious. But still not necessary. Most likely it's there to setup X-2 and what goes on there. Or at least expand on that backstory. But why Havoc? Why not Banshee in Vietnam? My guess is there is some sort of Summers connection with Wolverine and Alex/Scott that they want to expand on. Otherwise I don't even know why they'd bring Till back, regardless of how small the role is. I thought Banshee was the cooler character, so I'm not sure why they'd dump him and not Havoc.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I thought Banshee was the cooler character, so I'm not sure why they'd dump him and not Havoc.

could be singers gonna deal with the relation he has to cyclops or just he seemed like the right character to fill the role they needed

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Their fates were already dealt with by the end of X3. Xavier was revealed to be alive, and the "cure" was revealed to be temporary. So like Great Minds asked, what else is there to be fixed?

The cure wasn't revealed to be temporary. It was simply revealed to have not worked on Magneto. There could be any number of reasons for that outside of the cure being by and large unsuccessful.

Then why was Marsden on a plane coming back from Montreal with Halle following the two weeks they were out there? Visiting the set? Filming a flashback scene when it has been eight years since TLS was filmed? Maybe it's an uncorroborated source, but if it pans out it's not a coincidence. There is a good chance he's in the film and he may not be dead after all. I'm not getting my hopes up, but clearly it can't be dismissed.

None of this is anywhere even close to being reliably confirmed. These sorts of rumors were all over the place for X-Men 3, and yea, roughly zero percent of those unfounded rumors came true.

the idea behind X3 was that cyclops was dead, jean knew she killed him, Xavier also didn't give any indication he was alive infact the opposite and the whole graves stones thing is something that usually seals the deal with deaths

now as much as i don't like TLS to have him alive in the next film with some excuse seems like abit of a cop out which i don't think singer would do, i don't think singer has any plans to make certain scenes in TLS now seem unimportant

I agree with this part. I don't agree with the last part, which is why I left it out of the quote.

There is no way that X-Men 3 is left out, ignored, or removed from continuity, when by the time Days Of Future Past comes out, The Wolverine will have blatantly and strongly connected to it less than a year earlier. Singer has already established that he is maintaining continuity. Days Of Future Past isn't going to be some magical undoer that erases X-Men: The Last Stand from the continuity, and Cyclops and Jean are alive and well, never having been killed, never having gone through the Phoenix ordeal, ready to destroy Sentinels and kill Apocalypse, and pleases every fanboy complaint of the past 7-8 years.

The original Days Of Future Past story wasn't a huge excuse for retcon, and neither will the movie. The whole "We didn't see Cyclops die!" or "time travel hurp durp!" arguments are nothing more than copouts that have no kind of legitimacy with good storytelling, and should be ignored at all costs. If Singer has a well thought out and well executed way to bring Cyclops back, then by all means, do it. But just saying "time travel herp derp!" is a copout and piss poor storytelling. Creating a movie with the focus of "erasing" select parts of the timeline and continuity is piss poor storytelling.

Jean didn't have a clue where she was in TLS. She was completely delirious and oblivious. Who knows who she killed? Cyclops could easily be written back in. I don't think they go in that direction, but they could, and it would be consistent with Singer believing the changes or "fixes" would make the fans happy. We pretty much knew the cure would already be undone. That was evident in TLS and the end of The Wolverine, so this can't be the change Singer was talking about. Something in the timeline is going to change, at least that's how I'd interpret those quotes from him.

Pay attention to Stryker and Havoc in this movie. Obviously 1973 Wolverine is in Vietnam, so Stryker would seem obvious. But still not necessary. Most likely it's there to setup X-2 and what goes on there. Or at least expand on that backstory. But why Havoc? Why not Banshee in Vietnam? My guess is there is some sort of Summers connection with Wolverine and Alex/Scott that they want to expand on. Otherwise I don't even know why they'd bring Till back, regardless of how small the role is. I thought Banshee was the cooler character, so I'm not sure why they'd dump him and not Havoc.

Jean flat out confirmed that she killed Scott. This was clear as day. On top of her confirmation, Cyclops' death was felt by Xavier, and Xavier flat out confirmed that she killed Cyclops as well. There is literally zero ambiguity about Cyclops' fate in X-Men 3. It's not even really up for debate.

Also, just because you thought Havok was a cooler character doesn't mean that everyone else did. There could again be a bazillion reasons why Havok is in the film. A connection to Cyclops is but just one of those.

 

[Mr.M]

Just seems a little odd that a reporter would go out of his way to confirm Marsden was with Halle on the plane. Marsden, as you'd admit, is not an A-list actor or even a major character in the franchise, so unless he was going out of his way to stir up some fanboy internet waves, I don't know what he'd have to gain if he fabricated Marsden on the plane. And if Marsden was on the same flight, he undoubtedly filmed something with Halle and the rest of the crew. However small. I doubt Singer was like, "Fly out to Montreal and see what your character is missing out on."

Given that report, it's not crazy to speculate what role he could have in the movie. They may seem silly from a general audience perspective, but no one stayed for the after credit scene in TLS. Xavier coming back is just as crazy. The woman I was sitting next to was like, "I thought he was dead..." after The Wolverine. Xavier is obviously instrumental to this story, but that doesn't mean Cyclops can't have a role, or will not be instrumental in future installments. There are plenty of ways to write him in, some of which are quite feasible. The idea that TLS is the end all be all is simply a fallacy when they undid Xavier and the cure already. Hell, Rogue is in the movie. Think her powers aren't coming back either, or that the cure only didn't work on Rogue and Magneto? Don't be silly. TLS didn't completely shut the door on these opportunities, and thank God, because now the franchise can get back on track.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And just who was this reporter? Because you're being incredibly naive if you don't think that people spread rumors for the simple fact of riling up internet fanboys. I was around for the X-Men 3 hype. I remember all the rumors that started swirling around that production because of unfounded rumors just like this one that has Marsden traveling to the set with Halle.

Did he? It's possible. But until I see it from a credible source, I am not considering it. And even if he did, that doesn't even mean that he filmed anything. You scoff at the idea of Marsden being on set to "see what his character is missing out on", but with the huge reunion that is this film, perhaps he came back to the set to hang out and visit. That's possible as well.

And you say finally the franchise can get back on track? The franchise has been back on track for the last 2 movies with X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine. And for some of us, the franchise never got off track. Some of us actually do like X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and don't want to see the movies WE like cast out and ignored and "erased" like nothing. To some of us, selective retcons, "erasures", and only following what continuity you like while undoing the rest is worse storytelling than even the worst of the worst in X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

I am not against a Cyclops return if it is well done. In my opinion, the death of Cyclops is the single worst decision ever made in this franchise. But what's done is done, and undoing it just for fan service is not good storytelling and will not make the situation better.

You know how people complain about X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine for "shoving" in too many characters for fan service, without any regard for how they even fit into the story?

Yea... that's how I feel about bringing back Cyclops just for the sake of it.

If Cyclops is going to come back, I'd much rather see him recruited to the team in an X-Men: First Class 3 and watch him leading a team of younger X-Men consisting of Beast, Storm, Jean Grey, and perhaps someone else like Gambit or something. In my opinion, that's a much better way of bringing back Cyclops that makes everyone happy, instead of just undoing his death in X-Men 3 for no other reason than "just because".

If Cyclops does come back in X-Men: Days Of Future Past, or some other main trilogy cast sequel, I want it to be for a better reason than just "herp derp time travel, so we can now pick and choose whatever we want". That's piss poor storytelling that's even worse than the initial killing off to begin with, and is in no way better than X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine cramming in a bunch of mutants just cuz.

 

[GuestStar2004]

it would be better to see cyclops at least 1st in FC3 watching cyclops turn from who he was to the leader he will become is very interesting in terms of story and the character and to add Mr Sininster will help big time with that

i think one film like that would give cyclops more character growth then sadly his entire development in x1,x2,x3 and origins put together

 

[Mr.M]

Twitter wasn't popular back in 2006. The guy basically tweeted he saw the two together, and "thinks they were filming X-Men stuff." Doesn't sound like an ulterior motivation to that tweet, not that film productions are immune to bogus tweets. But that doesn't sound like something that can completely be dismissed. I think it's significant enough to speculate on ways of writing him back into the story instead of resigning to, "he's dead guys, sorry." Do I think he's coming back? No, but is there a good possibility? I'd say yes based off that tweet.

it would be better to see cyclops at least 1st in FC3 watching cyclops turn from who he was to the leader he will become is very interesting in terms of story and the character and to add Mr Sininster will help big time with that

i think one film like that would give cyclops more character growth then sadly his entire development in x1,x2,x3 and origins put together

Yeah but it doesn't amount to anything ultimately. In the trilogy he says, "If anything were to happen, I'd take care of them." Then his will was broken and the character's life was abruptly ended. That arc remains incomplete, or unfulfilling if you will, from any fan or spectators point of view. And tragic as it may be, the character isn't given enough importance in the trilogy to make us care about that. FC 3 could at least expound upon that, but it ends with that same fate that doesn't fulfill what was promised to Xavier. The OT doesn't provide any satisying conclusion to these characters. Outside of Storm, I don't think any character had a satisfying conclusion from the trilogy. Beast is probably dead in DoFP, so there goes that happy conclusion too.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Cyclops should be the main player in a 3rd First Class film as far as I'm concerned.

But I disagree - I think Cyclops was handled very will in the first X-Men. He wasn't handled badly in X2, he just wasn't around for story purposes. X-Men 3 is when things got bad, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine was just a cameo, not meant for character development.

I think a 3rd First Class movie should sort of take a page from the 1st X-Men comic. I'd like to have Cyclops, Beast, and Storm already at the school (Cyclops recruited by Xavier following X-Men Origins: Wolverine). Possibly Gambit as well cuz I love Gambit. Redo the opening shot of X-Men: The Last Stand when Xavier and Magneto recruit Jean Grey, only this time with McAvoy and Fassbender, and McAvoy in a wheelchair. Then show them bringing Jean home, back to the mansion, where he will explain what the X-Men are. This is like the first X-Men comic, when Jean arrived at the school as a new student, with Xavier showing her around and explaining to her what the X-Men are. Character wise, Cyclops and Jean Grey can be the focus, with their developing attraction and relationship as a key point. Perhaps the conflict can be the Mutant Massacre, which could include Gambit working for Mr. Sinister, and obviously Mr. Sinister can have some sort of fascination with Cyclops and Jean Grey. At the end of the movie, we'd have Gambit leaving the X-Men in shame, Cyclops and Jean Grey established as a couple, and their ties to Mr. Sinister. Then we can start looking at bringing an older Cyclops back if necessary, as we all know that Mr. Sinister is also tied to Apocalypse, and people seem to want an Age of Apocalypse story. So in this way, First Class 3 can lead into X-Men 5.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Twitter wasn't popular back in 2006. The guy basically tweeted he saw the two together, and "thinks they were filming X-Men stuff." Doesn't sound like an ulterior motivation to that tweet, not that film productions are immune to bogus tweets. But that doesn't sound like something that can completely be dismissed. I think it's significant enough to speculate on ways of writing him back into the story instead of resigning to, "he's dead guys, sorry." Do I think he's coming back? No, but is there a good possibility? I'd say yes based off that tweet.

A tweet?

Man, you don't follow the productions for things much, do you?

I've been following the development of music albums, movies, and video games for YEARS. Tweets start rumors, they don't distribute information.

 

[BMM]

If Cyclops does come back in X-Men: Days Of Future Past, or some other main trilogy cast sequel, I want it to be for a better reason than just "herp derp time travel, so we can now pick and choose whatever we want". That's piss poor storytelling that's even worse than the initial killing off to begin with, and is in no way better than X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine cramming in a bunch of mutants just cuz.

I don't know what you envision when people say Cyclops may return as a result of time travel, but, no, it isn't worse than initially killing him off and it isn't comparable to X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins cramming in a bunch of mutants "just cuz." At all.

 

[henzINNIT]

OT all the way. Retire Charles and Mags most likely and move on with Storm and Cyclops running the school.

Cyclops should be the main player in a 3rd First Class film as far as I'm concerned.

But I disagree - I think Cyclops was handled very will in the first X-Men. He wasn't handled badly in X2, he just wasn't around for story purposes. X-Men 3 is when things got bad, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine was just a cameo, not meant for character development.

I think a 3rd First Class movie should sort of take a page from the 1st X-Men comic. I'd like to have Cyclops, Beast, and Storm already at the school (Cyclops recruited by Xavier following X-Men Origins: Wolverine). Possibly Gambit as well cuz I love Gambit. Redo the opening shot of X-Men: The Last Stand when Xavier and Magneto recruit Jean Grey, only this time with McAvoy and Fassbender, and McAvoy in a wheelchair. Then show them bringing Jean home, back to the mansion, where he will explain what the X-Men are. This is like the first X-Men comic, when Jean arrived at the school as a new student, with Xavier showing her around and explaining to her what the X-Men are. Character wise, Cyclops and Jean Grey can be the focus, with their developing attraction and relationship as a key point. Perhaps the conflict can be the Mutant Massacre, which could include Gambit working for Mr. Sinister, and obviously Mr. Sinister can have some sort of fascination with Cyclops and Jean Grey. At the end of the movie, we'd have Gambit leaving the X-Men in shame, Cyclops and Jean Grey established as a couple, and their ties to Mr. Sinister. Then we can start looking at bringing an older Cyclops back if necessary, as we all know that Mr. Sinister is also tied to Apocalypse, and people seem to want an Age of Apocalypse story. So in this way, First Class 3 can lead into X-Men 5.

I find it hard to imagine Fox making another film set solely in the past but I like the ideas.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't know what you envision when people say Cyclops may return as a result of time travel, but, no, it isn't worse than initially killing him off and it isn't comparable to X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins cramming in a bunch of mutants "just cuz." At all.

Sure it is.

I don't have to imagine it at all. People are making it clear as day when they talk about it.

"TIME TRAVEL! THEY CAN CHANGE IT SO X-MEN 3 NEVER HAPPENED AND CYCLOPS CAN COME BACK!"

No. Selective continuity is not good storytelling. Yes, it is worse than shoving mutants into a movie "just cuz".

 

[GuestStar2004]

OT all the way. Retire Charles and Mags most likely and move on with Storm and Cyclops running the school.



I find it hard to imagine Fox making another film set solely in the past but I like the ideas.

Given that patrick stewart and ian mckellen are 2 of the big main draws that won't happen, same as FC sequel without fassbender and mcavoy

i can see another film set in the past, the FC are way more bigger then they once were, infact fassbender is becoming a very sought after actor

 

[BMM]

Sure it is.

I don't have to imagine it at all. People are making it clear as day when they talk about it.

"TIME TRAVEL! THEY CAN CHANGE IT SO X-MEN 3 NEVER HAPPENED AND CYCLOPS CAN COME BACK!"

No. Selective continuity is not good storytelling. Yes, it is worse than shoving mutants into a movie "just cuz".

No, it really isn't, and I don't actually buy that you believe that, nor do I think it's going to present much of a problem for you if it happens.

 

[Mr.M]

Selective continuity was already paramount in First Class with Xavier's paralysis. Not necessarily one of the major sticking points, but for a major plot point like a death, you wouldn't be able to brush it off as something minor. Just as Xavier will have to be explained, they will have to explain any return by Cyclops. But that doesn't mean it can't be handled responsibly and effectively.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Selective continuity was already paramount in First Class with Xavier's paralysis. Not necessarily one of the major sticking points, but for a major plot point like a death, you wouldn't be able to brush it off as something minor. Just as Xavier will have to be explained, they will have to explain any return by Cyclops. But that doesn't mean it can't be handled responsibly and effectively.

If handled responsibly and not just "well we time traveled so we can do whatever we want" then that's an entirely different subject.

Selective continuity with Xavier's paralysis, as you said, is hardly a major sticking point. Somewhere in the timeline, Xavier becomes paralyzed, and that paralysis coming earlier on the timeline that the scenes where he is walking is hardly a major contradiction, because Xavier's ability to walk, or lack thereof, doesn't change the narrative of those scenes. You could put Xavier in the wheelchair in those scenes, and they would be exactly the same. So that's easy to ignore.

Bringing back Cyclops, in one form or another essentially says "X-Men: The Last Stand didn't happen". That opens up a whole new can of worms, and at that point, is not rectifying a bad situation, but rather, making it worse.

I'm already sketchy on Xavier being back, but considering that he is the world's most powerful telepath, mind swaps and such, while convoluted, are within the realm of logic for the character.

Cyclops? Not so much. Like I said, Cyclops coming back means, at some point, saying X-Men 3 did not happen. And that I'm not okay with.

Xavier being paralyzed in X-Men: First Class didn't say that the scenes in X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine didn't happen. It just means that in actuality, they'd have to happen with Xavier in a wheelchair.

It's very thin ice they are skating on if they are going to deal with bringing Cyclops back from the dead. It doesn't mean that it can't be done in a well executed fashion. It just means that it needs to be done -very carefully-, and done with a true purpose, and not just "cuz hey, internet fanboys are mad and time travel lets us do whatever we want".

 

[X-Maniac]

The other thing is that if they bring back Cyclops, it's got to be worth bringing him back. If Wolverine is still going to dominate at Cyclops' expense and if the love triangle thing still exists, then it's hardly worth it. We'll be back to the same old thing, like being caught in a loop.

 

[Mr.M]

Cyclops? Not so much. Like I said, Cyclops coming back means, at some point, saying X-Men 3 did not happen. And that I'm not okay with.

Yeah well waa, waa, waa....

Maybe once you learn to let go of your wants and desires for the good of the fanboy community, you will feel a sense of fulfillment. It's not about what you want. It's about what's best for the whole, not the sum of its parts, TLS be damned to hell.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Um... no, actually I don't have to worry about what the "fanboy" community wants.

Maybe the fanboy community should stop being so selfish and entitled and thinking their views of movies is the only one that matters?