Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 1

[Venom'sDad]

Because of Star Wars dude....episode 4, 5, & 6.

 

[JOE]

They definitely could have the Sinister 6 show up in the 3rd movie if done right.

1st movie- Major villain + side villain.
2nd movie- Major villain + side villain.
3rd movie- Two minor villains + Sinister 6 team up towards the end.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I'd rather do Venom for the first trilogy, then the 6 for a second, due to the potential Infinity War tie in with the symbiote.

 

[ernesth100]

As long as I get to see the 6 before I die I'm good. And I'm 17 so I got a good amount of time to see it.

 

[I'm Venom]

I'm hoping Spidey's future is going to look something like this:
2016: Captain America: Civil War
2017: Marvel's Spider-Man (Kingpin, Vulture)
2018: Avengers: Infinity War Part I (with a cameo)
2019: Avengers: Infinity War Part II (introduce symbiote in this)
2020: Spider-Man: The Alien Costume (Kraven's Last Hunt including Sin-Eater subplot)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

in a perfect world... if we could erase the previous films from the minds of everyone i would have done it something like this...

Spider-Man 1: After the events of CW, Junior in HS peter parker is worried about his secret identity more than ever. He starts a junior internship at the daily bugle as a photographer and web content. meets betty brant and has a crush on her. the HS introduces us to Flash, Harry, Deb, and Gwen the 4 popular kids... though Harry and Gwen kinda have a soft spot for peter, and while he's part of their group, Flash and Deb can be down right mean to him and more often then not he's the but of everyones jokes.

His new boss, Jameson, at the bugle has caused new york to fear spider-man after the events of CW... and he's publically funded an anti-spiderman campaign. and is working with Spencer Smythe and Adrian Toomes on a group of spider-slayer robots to hunt spidey down. Adrian is next in line to own the company.. and when Spencer suddenly dies... Alistair becomes head of the company. Steals Toomes work, and fires him.

Tooms's goal is to basically take down smythe, he starts by robbing from theire bank account... (where spidey first meets him) mean while... after spidey easily takes down the robotic slayers.. jameson wants something more powerful.. and without his knowledge smythe begins a human spider-slayer trial... creating scorpion... Vulture attacks and the process is messed up... Scorpion escapes ... furious at both Smythe and Jameson for turning him into a freak... (spidey first meets scorpion there)

Vulture tracks down Scorpion, he agrees to work with him to take down smythe if Vulture can help him with his revenge on Jameson.. Vulture kidnaps Jameson and takes him to scorpion.. (final villain battle happens here), Scorpion is put in a coma, while vulture is sent to prison.

In peter's personal life.. May has mentioned about setting peter up on a date.. and he's just kinda shrugged it off.. the end of the film has the door bell ring, peter answers.. and we get the classic "face it tiger, you've just hit the jackpot" mj intro.

After Credits scene, Vulure is in jail... talking to his cell mate while he tinkers with something... the cell mate mentions he knows a guy, known as "the big man", he does not mention who he is

Spidey 2 Peter's Senior year.. Mj starts at his school.. instantly befriends the gang.. though while not dating peter.. both Gwen and MJ have a fondness for him and are a bit caddy over it. Gwen and Harry break up.. Gwen and peter start dating, and Mj and Peter get together by films end. This would probably be a good time to bring in the green goblin, and maybe even hobgoblin. Hobgoblin would be tied into the mob.. and would be revealed to be the man in the jail cell with toomes. This would be the beginnings of a gang war... and a mystery as to who the 2 goblins are i'd also introduce Connors as well. The film would have several twists and turns.. with at first we are lead to believe there's only 1 goblin just in 2 costumes.. then we are lead to believe one is harry and one is norman... but in the end.. Betty's boyfriend Ned Leeds is the goblin (or is he) he's framed and killed. and GG is left hanging as to who he is.. you could probably throw in minor mob characters (hammerhead, silvermane, the rose, etc.. in this film) but we'd still also be hearing about this "big man" (captain stacy dies in this film)

Spidey 3
Peter returns from the infinity war with the black costume, the IW took place over summer break and he and Gwen are starting at ESU, still friends with Harry and Mj too. Eddie Brock is introduced in this film, but is very minor. Connors becomes lizard early on.. and the russian Mob Boss Kraven is brought in wanting to hunt him down and revealed to be the big man... the movie reveals that his brother Chameleon has been up to some of the tricks including the framing of Ned Leeds... as well as he was the man in the jail cell with chameleon. The big story is kraven's last hunt.. where peter is pushed to the breaking point... and Chameleon helps him get there by faking Cap Stacy has returned from the dead. Chameleon is killed by the lizard, and Kraven tries to commit suicide.. but is unsuccessful and incarcerated.

Just when you think the film is over... the Green Goblin returns... he knows who peter is.. and does the classic scene of him dragging him across the skyline... he reveals himself as norman osborn.. and drops him off at the bridge.. where he's got gwen unconsious... gwen dies.. Norman is seemingly killed.. as peters rage grows with the symbiote.

Harry leaves MJ after his fathers death, and the film ends with MJ going over to visit pete and consoling him. (Norman turns out to be alive.. and he endsup showing up in other marvel properties like the thunderbolts)

Spidey 4
Black Cat is introduced.. and peter is not quite himself... Mj and him sorta have this barely a relationship thing going on.. nothing serious but nothing defined.. His mood swings are bothering him after he nearly kills a throw away villain (like shocker) he goes to connors for help at ravencroft. Connors helps him deduce that it's the symbiote taking control of him and it's been growing while he mourns the loss of gwen... Black cat is introduced as a way to balance out his bad-boy side.. and figuratively get peter back into the swing of things... he then decides to quit being peter parker.. and turns his back on everyone... Peter also loses his job from the bugle after Brock frames him for something (which is later over-turned and peter is re-hired and brock is finished), brock was also dating felicia hardy (she was playing both eddie and spidey) brock grows a hatred for spider-man as he loses felicia after he discovers a shrine to him) The main villain of this film would be a sandman/electro combo.. not a big back story.. but we find out they're working for someone.. and it's tied to Kraven and Vulture from previous films.. and a team has been put together.
Shocker's small part of the story is what allows peter to realize the symbiote is weak against sound vibrations, he loses the suit in the belltower. (Mj also finds out peter is spider-man in this film)

after credits show Brock becoming venom

Spidey 5: Peter is now with MJ and they're living together.. Venom is the villain in the first half, Carnage and Shriek with dopplganger in the 2nd.. with Black cat, Spidey and Venom out to take them down. film ends with carange being sent to jail.. after credits show him rocking back in forth in his cell.. and we see other past villains in their jail sells...

Spidey 6: it opens with Peter proposing to MJ... Doc Ock is the villain of this film... and it's revealed he's been the master planner this whole time... Mysterio is also introduced (though a lesser villain almost like his stooge). During peter and Mj's wedding, Octavius and Mysterio orchestrate a prison break... which ends up being the sinister six... Cletus is left in the prison in a humorous scene. Peter's wedding is interrupted by the chaos in new york and he has to take down the sin six.. and whatever their master scheme is

i know some of those storlines are pretty heavy with characters.. but there's alot of minor characters that can easily just stay minor.. especially in the hobgoblin/green goblin gang war film

but i'd like something like that for 6films. if we can do more.. then awesome stretch it out

 

[Mike Murdock]

Because of Star Wars dude....episode 4, 5, & 6.

OK, I know why it's suggested, but I'm trying to push people to think more critically. There's no reason you have to think about it that way.

 

[ernesth100]

A while back I came up with the most extensive list of possible Spider-Man film trilogys ever.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30922155&postcount=50


Of course no film deal has ever been this long so hy the end of the third or second Holland would probably be recasted.

 

[Webhead2006]

I def love to see 3 trilogies. Teen, college, young afulthood. Though I doubt we will see it be 3 solo films on that. I could say if solos do well maybe 4 solos. Then likely 4 to 5 other mcu films. With hopefully netflix or marvel tv appearances too. And first 3 solos cover, civil war, infinity wars cover teen life. Then phase 4 films he is in covers college time. Then phase 5 young adult hood. Then by the time tom been in like 9 to 11 films. Over then next ten to 12 yrs he likely move on. And we replace with the next actor. Who then be playing that adult late 20s to early 30s aged locked look.

 

[ernesth100]

So I'm wondering what Hollands deal will even look like since it's between two studios.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

I think it should be a trilogy and then the Sinister Six in the fourth film to end it all, that's why side villains are important in this franchise because they could later use them in a Sinister Six team.

 

[SyntaxError]

There should only be 1 villain in each movie. So often has a Spidey film fallen into the trap of trying to embed too many villains into one film... see ASM2 and Raimi's SM3. The best efforts (SM2 and ASM) have only featured 1 villain.

 

[UltimateMarvel]

Actually they never tried a movie with 2 villains, it could work maybe.

 

[SyntaxError]

I'd rather they not push too many villains into one picture, it inevitably makes things go messy and disorganised as each character fights for more screen time. Give one film to one villain so that the villain is properly fleshed out and actually poses a legitimate risk to the hero.

Villains are already a problem when it comes to the MCU, lets not persist it by adding more villains into one picture and sacrificing the opportunity to create a strong sole villain.

 

[Webhead2006]

I still feel tom deal is probably like Stan a 9 picture deal. With option to reup once first deal is over. And I would hope option to appear on marvel tv too. As he would be cheaper to get then say robert.

So deal likely go like this. Phase 3 be civil war, solo 1, infinity 1, solo 2, infinity 2 from 2016 to 2019. So that be 5 films here.

Phase 4 be solo 3 or solo 3 possible still on tail end of phase 3 if they can get solo out in 17, 19, 20 or 21. Then likely avengers 5, show up in another hero solo film, maybe a 4th solo. That would give us 9 films over phase 3 and phase 4. Then tom let's say reup for another 2 to 4 films. That would push us thru phase 5. Then at this time tom likely been playing role for about 12 yrs and is about 30 to 32 yrs old. And probably then moves on to other things. And we then recast peter with a new adult actor playing early 30s peter noe. Or we can retire peter for a few films and do alt spiderman like miles or miguel. Then bring peter back with said new actor.

 

[ernesth100]

9 picture deal sounds preferable.

 

[Webhead2006]

It is the most likely deal. As it would cover 2 full phases of films. Then reup for another 2 or 3 pictures. And like I pointed out above. A 9 picture deal with 2 or 3 more films would run us for at least 12 yrs and see tom peter go from 15 yrs old to about 30 yrs old. And see him grow from young kid to adulthood.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

There should only be 1 villain in each movie. So often has a Spidey film fallen into the trap of trying to embed too many villains into one film... see ASM2 and Raimi's SM3. The best efforts (SM2 and ASM) have only featured 1 villain.

Thats close minded bs. Multiple villains work, they just need to make sense storywise... venom/sandman and electro/green goblin are two sets of villains that have no buisness teaming up or being connected to eachother at all and the stories clearly showed that...

Lizard replacing vermin with kraven for kravens last hunt works

Kraven and chameleon works

Kraven and calypso works

Carnage, venom, shriek doppelganger work

The sinister six work, and some of those villains together work (sandman/electro for instance)

Hobgoblin/green goblin work

All the gangster/mob villains work...

Again it just all needs to make s was nse and not feel forced

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It is the most likely deal. As it would cover 2 full phases of films. Then reup for another 2 or 3 pictures. And like I pointed out above. A 9 picture deal with 2 or 3 more films would run us for at least 12 yrs and see tom peter go from 15 yrs old to about 30 yrs old. And see him grow from young kid to adulthood.

9 pics would also include joint films like infinity war too,

 

[Village_Idiot]

I always thought they could use two villians


Where the movie could start right out with Spider-man fighting the Scorpion ( just an example ) for ten minutes or so , the Scorpion then gets captured and hauled of to jail ,

Then they can get into the main story of the movie

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya to villains can easily work. As long as they write the story well. Or we can just have a minor guy as a opening scene montage scene like the old James Bond films. Or batroc in captain america 2. Then we move the the main villain.

Spiderboy, I counted infinity as separate as right now I believe that is how it is counting for any if the actors current deals are. But ya infinity or any future spilt film could be counted as 1. But to we know. It's easier to count each film as separate and counts to what ever said actors contracts are.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I always thought they could use two villians


Where the movie could start right out with Spider-man fighting the Scorpion ( just an example ) for ten minutes or so , the Scorpion then gets captured and hauled of to jail ,

Then they can get into the main story of the movie

Scorpion is a bad example, hes one of the villains with a good story... but i wouldnt consider an opening throw away villain a "2 villain film" i dont even really count rhino in Amazing 2, he served no purpose to the story, and was just bookends

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ya to villains can easily work. As long as they write the story well. Or we can just have a minor guy as a opening scene montage scene like the old James Bond films. Or batroc in captain america 2. Then we move the the main villain.

Spiderboy, I counted infinity as separate as right now I believe that is how it is counting for any if the actors current deals are. But ya infinity or any future spilt film could be counted as 1. But to we know. It's easier to count each film as separate and counts to what ever said actors contracts are.

All the teamup films count as a film towards thier contract thats currently how that is. Its not just solos

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

I remember reading somewhere that Tom's current contract was a 4 picture deal, I'm pretty sure it was a trade who said it too. Marvel probably wanted to keep it minimal for now, see how things go...

So I'd imagine that it looks a little something like this:

- Captain America: Civil War
- Spider-Man (2017)
- Avengers: Infinity War PT 1
- Avengers: Infinity War PT 2

Obviously after the second IW, they'll extend his contact for more solo Spidey and Avengers/MCU crossover films.

 

[Village_Idiot]

Scorpion is a bad example, hes one of the villains with a good story... but i wouldnt consider an opening throw away villain a "2 villain film" i dont even really count rhino in Amazing 2, he served no purpose to the story, and was just bookends

This was not the Rhino , this was just plain stupid