Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 1

[Venom'sDad]

Completely Agree

 

[Rodrigo90]

I don't mind having some connection to Oscorp. Obviously Norman will be. And having Otto or some other scientist working at Oscorp would work. It cuts down on the contrivances.

What I'm fearful of is now with the MCU connection, every villain is going to be tied to HYDRA or some other entity. That's not better than having every villain come from Oscorp.

They need variety.

They've even said that new villains not from the comics are going to be created, so God knows what that's going to entail.

And I'm not fussy on seeing Spider-Man battling HYDRA's goons all the time.
Chameleon, in a partnership with his brother, Kraven, would make sense and introduce the connection within the MCU. But then have it gradually shift away and move the focus mainly onto Kraven, who has no affiliation with HYDRA other than the connection with Chameleon, and his plot is to kill Spidey for his own sport.
That adds variety somewhat. You get two worlds of villainy colliding that way.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

They've even said that new villains not from the comics are going to be created, so God knows what that's going to entail.

I have mixed feelings on this. While not everything has to come from the comics, there's also enough material there to draw from that no villains or other characters, for that matter, need be created.

This could go either way.

And I'm not fussy on seeing Spider-Man battling HYDRA's goons all the time.
Chameleon, in a partnership with his brother, Kraven, would make sense and introduce the connection within the MCU. But then have it gradually shift away and move the focus mainly onto Kraven, who has no affiliation with HYDRA other than the connection with Chameleon, and his plot is to kill Spidey for his own sport.
That adds variety somewhat. You get two worlds of villainy colliding that way.

Battling HYDRA's goons is different than 'every villain coming from one entity.' I'm ok with there being ties to HYDRA or Oscorp or even both, so, in your example of Chameleon and Kraven--that works just fine. Like I said, it cuts down on the contrivances. However, they need to avoid the pitfall of ASM. Switching from everything from Oscorp to everything from HYDRA isn't an upgrade. That's my worry, albeit a small one.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

They've even said that new villains not from the comics are going to be created, so God knows what that's going to entail.

Who said that?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

They've even said that new villains not from the comics are going to be created, so God knows what that's going to entail.

And I'm not fussy on seeing Spider-Man battling HYDRA's goons all the time.
Chameleon, in a partnership with his brother, Kraven, would make sense and introduce the connection within the MCU. But then have it gradually shift away and move the focus mainly onto Kraven, who has no affiliation with HYDRA other than the connection with Chameleon, and his plot is to kill Spidey for his own sport.
That adds variety somewhat. You get two worlds of villainy colliding that way.

umm no actually they have not...

they just said they're using a villain(s) for the first film not shown in a film prior...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Eh? I could've sworn I read that they were to create original villains.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I don't remember hearing that either. And I don't see why they would even attempt it

 

[Rodrigo90]

I have mixed feelings on this. While not everything has to come from the comics, there's also enough material there to draw from that no villains or other characters, for that matter, need be created.

This could go either way.




Battling HYDRA's goons is different than 'every villain coming from one entity.' I'm ok with there being ties to HYDRA or Oscorp or even both, so, in your example of Chameleon and Kraven--that works just fine. Like I said, it cuts down on the contrivances. However, they need to avoid the pitfall of ASM. Switching from everything from Oscorp to everything from HYDRA isn't an upgrade. That's my worry, albeit a small one.

I felt it was lazy for every villain to arrive courtesy of Oscorp.
I'd feel the same if every villain derived from HYDRA somehow.
Chameleon is fine, the technology he utilises is similar to a few villains from AOS, and like I said, it ties into the bigger picture. Kraven would be there take us down to the levels of what we're used to in Spider-Man's world, and then have THAT trend continue, not the HYDRA viewpoint.

 

[The Joker]

Spider-Man has a huge rogues gallery to choose from. They don't need to make up villains.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Eh? I could've sworn I read that they were to create original villains.

Nope. This is the only thing Feige has said in terms of villains:

“Right now we’re interested in seeing villains we haven’t seen before.”

 

[Rodrigo90]

Well, I must have obviously got it wrong.
And I felt it weird, too. Why create new villains for film?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't mind having some connection to Oscorp. Obviously Norman will be. And having Otto or some other scientist working at Oscorp would work. It cuts down on the contrivances.

What I'm fearful of is now with the MCU connection, every villain is going to be tied to HYDRA or some other entity. That's not better than having every villain come from Oscorp.

They need variety.

some ties to Oscorp are fine... i just don't want ties to STARK ENTERPRISES

and i agree i don't need spidey fighting hydra...

i'd much rather Daredevil introduce the Maggia.. which does include ties from Madam Masque, Scarecrow, Whiplash, the mobsters that killed Frank Castle's Family, Hammer Head, Silvermane, Bushmaster, Grim Reaper, and Mysterio and it wouldn't be a stretch for the Kravenoff family to have ties to or be a part of the Maggia either.

 

[TheGearMan]

some ties to Oscorp are fine... i just don't want ties to STARK ENTERPRISES

I don't want either.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't want either.

some make sense though... most don't

I think there should certainly be more science and tech companies.. but the amount in comics are sooooooooo ridiculously plentiful that it's no longer realistic...

I mean... there's Oscorp, Hammer Industries, Roxxon, Stark Enterprises, AIM, Pym Industries, Fantastic Four Inc, Weapon Plus, and now... Parker Industries...

most of those can be used on film (a few can't of course) but in addition to those there's already whatever organization was behind Centipede and then there's also Quinn's company already in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

there's a fine line between too many corporations that it gets confusing to the audience and "not enough" so that it seems overly convenient that this villain just so happens to also work for ____ company.

It makes sense for Vulture to be fired from a pre-existing company as it does for Otto to be working for a pre-existing company too... Oscorp should be a chemical company though imo, not a "one stop shop for science" like it was depicted in the ASM series... and some characters work for originating from it.. others don't... Lizard and Electro were TERRIBLE choices to originate from Oscorp. Otto and/or Vulture? no not at all.. But i wouldn't chose anyone besides those... Mysterio i suppose could have hallucinogens from oscorp, but i wouldn't have him work there.

a genetics company should be saved for Smythe and Miles Warren... id be fine with them specifically running a company that marries genetics and robotics together... which should be where someone like Scorpion originates...

 

[Webhead2006]

No they all don't need to be hydra. Hydra isn't the only bad guys in the mcu.

 

[ernesth100]

Just a bad idea. What if the replace Sandman with Hydro Man in the sinister six?

 

[TheGearMan]

What if the replace Sandman with Hydro Man in the sinister six?

Hydro Man is a boring character...

 

[ernesth100]

Which is why I said it was a bad idea, I was bored.

 

[Webhead2006]

It be nice to see hydromam some day. Come on a water fight be a new type of fight. But I am not pushing for him any time soon.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Hydro Man is a boring character...

with both Sandman and Hydroman they have to mold most of the character from nothing to make him have enough dimension for a movie, so in this case it's more of an argument of who has cooler powers.

Thug villains are easier to write for comicbooks and tv series, that's why Sandman in Spider-man 3 was a travesty. They had to make him the killer of Uncle Ben, because a movie just has to have a bigger plot than "Spidey fights a villain and loses, Spidey fights him again and wins"

 

[UltimateWebhead]

some ties to Oscorp are fine... i just don't want ties to STARK ENTERPRISES

and i agree i don't need spidey fighting hydra...

i'd much rather Daredevil introduce the Maggia.. which does include ties from Madam Masque, Scarecrow, Whiplash, the mobsters that killed Frank Castle's Family, Hammer Head, Silvermane, Bushmaster, Grim Reaper, and Mysterio and it wouldn't be a stretch for the Kravenoff family to have ties to or be a part of the Maggia either.

Well if Osborn is going to be around in this next series, which I think he will, Oscorp is definitely going to have a presence and with that, I'm sure we'll see some of the villains either get their tech/weaponry from there or be employed by Oscorp to some degree. Otto working in the lab. Toomes' creation stolen by Oscorp a la TSSM. Many of Spidey's villains are connected to science so it'd be difficult to get away from connections to the many tech/science corps out there.

I'm really looking forward to the next season of DD, the first season was excellent. I hope they will include connection to the MCU--the Maggia is a great idea. That element would make an easy transition into Spider-Man's world and would be something different than what we've seen in the last 5 Spider-Man movies.

 

[TheGearMan]

with both Sandman and Hydroman they have to mold most of the character from nothing to make him have enough dimension for a movie, so in this case it's more of an argument of who has cooler powers.

Thug villains are easier to write for comicbooks and tv series, that's why Sandman in Spider-man 3 was a travesty. They had to make him the killer of Uncle Ben, because a movie just has to have a bigger plot than "Spidey fights a villain and loses, Spidey fights him again and wins"

Sandman actually has a pretty interesting story arc. He, eventually, becomes a hero in the comics.

The 'Big Score' thing with Sandman in TSSM show was pretty good.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Sandman actually has a pretty interesting story arc. He, eventually, becomes a hero in the comics.

The 'Big Score' thing with Sandman in TSSM show was pretty good.

Yeah, I liked that a lot.

They painted Sandman as an alright dude sometimes

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sandman actually has a pretty interesting story arc. He, eventually, becomes a hero in the comics.

The 'Big Score' thing with Sandman in TSSM show was pretty good.

... and then back to being a thug villain again...

Sorry, sandman isnt as interesting or story driven as people seem to want him to be.

I hated the water clone aspect, but the 90s animated series had a decent take on Hydroman being mj's crazy ex but yeah, neither have been compelling in the books. They just have sweet power sets

 

[CaptainWagner]

Sandman and Hydroman are both decent characters, but they wouldn't be able to carry a film on their own. They're basically just thug/team material.