Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 4

[Doctor Octopus]

Kravens last hunt only work after Kraven already been in movies.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya and I doubt we see a kraven last hunt story told fully any time soon. More so be dumb move for a first film or first time kraven deal. I rather for kraven just stick to the whole he is a great games men and wants to hunt the spider as he is the best prey in the world.

Then like I said in past if we did 2 foes per film and 3rd film ended up being a sinister six story. Maybe then at that point as subplot with kraven could draw some inspiration from klh.

 

[Dark Raven]

It will be his first hunt as far as the audience are concerned if they've not seen him before.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya but still for a debut film and first time film folks are seeing kraven come on jumping right to last hunt be a dumb way to intro the character. As you don't have the yrs of build up of fights and hate for spidey. It's the same deal for me with jjj and scoprion for first film.

 

[AvegningSpider]

I say if you have to do Last Hunt, do it as the third installment and make Kraven into Spidey's Bane (or at least like Comic Bane), have him had investigated Peter and make like he is analyzing his prey's movements for when he strikes.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I say if you have to do Last Hunt, do it as the third installment and make Kraven into Spidey's Bane (or at least like Comic Bane), have him had investigated Peter and make like he is analyzing his prey's movements for when he strikes.

That is great idea. I love it.

 

[I'm Venom]

Kravens last hunt only work after Kraven already been in movies.

Heavily disagree here. KLH as a story was only six issues. It's not like we're trying to do Maximum Carnage here. KLH establishes him as a hunter who's been active for seventy years before Spider-Man showed up, killing anything that presents a challenge.

An adaptation of that scenario will work fine. The central premise - that after seventy odd years, Kraven is ready to die once surpassing his ultimate challenge - will work, even if Spider-Man hasn't beaten his face in a dozen times before.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Heavily disagree here. KLH as a story was only six issues. It's not like we're trying to do Maximum Carnage here. KLH establishes him as a hunter who's been active for seventy years before Spider-Man showed up, killing anything that presents a challenge.

An adaptation of that scenario will work fine. The central premise - that after seventy odd years, Kraven is ready to die once surpassing his ultimate challenge - will work, even if Spider-Man hasn't beaten his face in a dozen times before.

Heavily disagree here. KLH work better as story because reader fans know Kraven from history with Spider-Man so when it say Kraven last hunt and we know history between him and Spider-Man it make story more powerful.

Kraven being new character who never met Spider-Man before and it being his last hunt why should anyone care? We never see his other hunts. It not feel earned.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Heavily disagree here. KLH work better as story because reader fans know Kraven from history with Spider-Man so when it say Kraven last hunt and we know history between him and Spider-Man it make story more powerful.

Kraven being new character who never met Spider-Man before and it being his last hunt why should anyone care? We never see his other hunts. It not feel earned.

 

[NYC Spider]

Edit: wrong thread

 

[I'm Venom]

Heavily disagree here. KLH work better as story because reader fans know Kraven from history with Spider-Man so when it say Kraven last hunt and we know history between him and Spider-Man it make story more powerful.

Kraven being new character who never met Spider-Man before and it being his last hunt why should anyone care? We never see his other hunts. It not feel earned.

Um, Doc Ock, Green Goblin. Not proven to be hard in a two hour movie. You may be thinking a direct translation. That wouldn't work. Things would have to be changed.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Um, Doc Ock, Green Goblin. Not proven to be hard in a two hour movie. You may be thinking a direct translation. That wouldn't work. Things would have to be changed.

lol Doc Ock and Green Goblin not have stories based on having history with Spider-Man like Kraven last hunt does.

 

[I'm Venom]

lol Doc Ock and Green Goblin not have stories based on having history with Spider-Man like Kraven last hunt does.

I disagree. That story was published in 1987 - almost thirty years ago. You don't need Spidey to be a grizzled veteran for that, and in fact it doesn't work if he is. Kraven had his own issues with it and was looking to die. Spider-Man was almost the flip side of that, coming to terms with his mortality and embracing who he was. This is something you'd expect him to grapple with earlier in his career not 10-15 years into beating the crap out gangsters. I admit high school Spidey doesn't work well for KLH, but then again neither does Civil War, and we're definitely getting that one before we get anything else.

 

[PeterBenParker]

My issue with using Kraven's Last Hunt for his first film is that, by doing so, you're telling people that this is a character that is one-and-done and nothing more.

I have no issues at all with KHL, as it's an iconic story but I think it should be treated with respect and I don't see KHL being adapted in his first appearance as a way of treating it with respect. What makes KHL so great is all the past run-ins Spidey and Kraven have had over the years and it's culminating to a point, so by putting that on the big screen for Kraven's first appearance is just a waste to me. You wanna use it? Sure, but I'd wait until we see Kraven at all first.

How I'd do it is simple:

Pair Kraven up with a possible big game-esque villain of the Spider-Man world ala a Lizard and go from there. That gives it a way to test both Peter (with Lizard) and Spidey (with Kraven).

From there, have Spidey save the day and put Kraven away. Have him break out years later with one goal -- finishing off the Spider. Adapt KLH in some form or another and end it with his death (or disappearance if they're not into killing off Kraven). Use Chameleon as someone to gather (not lead) the Sinister Six for revenge of (or to avenge, pitting the blame of his death on Spidey) his (half) brother and boom.

B/P version:

• Have Kraven in a film paired with someone that offers a connection to the dual coin that is Peter and Spider-Man.
• Have him reappear in a future film for an adaptation of sorts with Kraven's Last Hunt ending with his death or disappearance.
• Use the ramifications of said film to adapt The Sinister Six in honor/memory of Kraven and there you have it.

Shame the symbiote and/or Venom can't be used, as I'd have the symbiote be in play by the time The Sinister Six debuted (similar to that of SSM) and resulting with Venom as the villain after the S6.

 

[I'm Venom]

Who ever said using KLH for the first film?

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I disagree. That story was published in 1987 - almost thirty years ago. You don't need Spidey to be a grizzled veteran for that, and in fact it doesn't work if he is. Kraven had his own issues with it and was looking to die. Spider-Man was almost the flip side of that, coming to terms with his mortality and embracing who he was. This is something you'd expect him to grapple with earlier in his career not 10-15 years into beating the crap out gangsters. I admit high school Spidey doesn't work well for KLH, but then again neither does Civil War, and we're definitely getting that one before we get anything else.

I not talking about Spider-Man being grizzled veteran. I mean him and Kraven have to have already fought in movies before. Kraven need to be established as hunter and enemy of Spider-Man. That big part of why last hunt so good. It works off Spider-Man and Kraven history together.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Keep in mind all adaptations of the source material have been very loose adaptations.

 

[CaptainWagner]

for me i rather see ock/norman as minor characters building up there turns to evil over a few films ie solo 1 and 2. Then we see either of them become a big threat and there powers by 3rd film. Or post infinity wars avengers films ie for norman if we do the whole seige/hammer type plotline for norman.

^^^This 100%

We know they're looking at unused villains for the first film at least. I think Mysterio works best in that regards. Then out of all the big name villains, I'd most want Venom to be reused first. He's never been done justice.

 

[Webhead2006]

i still say we should not see last hunt more so for first appearance film story. Like i said i rather use elements of last hunt as kraven subplot for a sinister six film. Like i said for sinister six would be the most logical plot to do for 3rd film. IF we build up 2 villains per film and they are not killed off. So then leader and final member be the main build up during 3rd film.

 

[I'm Venom]

Keep in mind all adaptations of the source material have been very loose adaptations.

Exactly.

 

[Webhead2006]

totally but still like i and others have said doing last hunt for a first film or kraven first appearance would be a wrong story to do. There is no need to do that when you can just do a classic intro story for a first appearance. Then like i said take some aspects and inspiration from last hunt for kraven attitude and plot for a 2nd appearance likely that would be in a sininster six film if they did that for 3rd film for example.

 

[I'm Venom]

Again nobody once suggested doing KLH for the first film. Stop it.

 

[Webhead2006]

I was just saying it would be dumb. And I do recall in past talks some wanted klh for first film story. All I am saying that story would be a bad one to start new film take on and be a wrong story to debut kraven to movie goers.

 

[JOE]

KLH would be a good second or third solo movie. To start off I'd still want Mysterio.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya for me I still would love to see a totally different villain type then we seen in the past 5 films.