Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 4

[Venom'sDad]

No...I don't think many would be surprise. Marvel has already backed themselves in a corner by stating they wanted to present a villain, from Spidey's lore, that hasn't been done. We all know, there are less than a half dozen good candidates remaining, whom can somewhat carry a film...with some creative writing remind you.

 

[zeptron]

I mean the thing is they've been trying to do Vulture forever he was rumored for Spider-Man 4

Earlier than Spider-man 4 actually. Ben Kingsley was in talks to play Vulture for Spider-man 3 before Sony coerced Raimi into putting Venom in instead. There's even some concept art

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sweet. Good to see some supporters because haven't seen much as these pages go by lol.


I mean, we're not talking Red Skull in terms of gravitas, but something among the likes of Yellowjacket (that's a bad comparison, I know), or a bit more than that.

Probably someone stronger than Yellowjacket and Ronan the Accuser. I could see Vulture having a threatening presence with his wings, picturing them way bigger than Falcon's, and of course, the fact that an OLD guy has the ability to be "young" again through the wings.

This is definitely fanboy wishing, but it'd be dope if Homecoming featured a quick takeaway thug villain in addition to Vulture. Nothing special though.

see Yellow Jacket worked because it was a small scale story that needed to spend alot of time introducing characters and making the audience like them. Yellow Jacket, or cross for that matter didn't have alot of screen time.. I don't think you need to focus all that set up with spidey.. because the general audience is already very aware of who peter and spider-man are.. you can jump into the fun much quicker. Which means more villain time too.. and that's something you don't really need out of vulture...

Vulture works best with another villain of classic nature..

Vulture and Sandman (like Spidey 3 almost gave us)
Vulture and Electro
Vulture and Scorpion (like i'm hoping for)
Vulture and Kraven
Vulture and Rhino

he's pretty versatile, but i'd pick someone of his same calibur.. classic early on comic villain, who's kinda a thug with an ability. Vulture can still be the leading story.. but the second villain doesn't need to have depth. Which is why Gargan is pretty perfect.. Career Criminal experimented on and becomes extra mad and dangerous. While Vulture can deal with losing his job and having his ideas stolen.. and basically both embody "With Great Power Comes LACK of responsibility"

that's what i like about alot of spidey villains.. they got the power to do great things. but chose greed and themselves over doing what is right. They all don't need to be sympathetic (really just Connors should have that) or need a long drawn out explanation as to why they're evil (looking at you electro) some people are just inherently bad.. and crave chaos, power, and money.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

see Yellow Jacket worked because it was a small scale story that needed to spend alot of time introducing characters and making the audience like them. Yellow Jacket, or cross for that matter didn't have alot of screen time.. I don't think you need to focus all that set up with spidey.. because the general audience is already very aware of who peter and spider-man are.. you can jump into the fun much quicker. Which means more villain time too.. and that's something you don't really need out of vulture...

Vulture works best with another villain of classic nature..

Vulture and Sandman (like Spidey 3 almost gave us)
Vulture and Electro
Vulture and Scorpion (like i'm hoping for)
Vulture and Kraven
Vulture and Rhino

he's pretty versatile, but i'd pick someone of his same calibur.. classic early on comic villain, who's kinda a thug with an ability. Vulture can still be the leading story.. but the second villain doesn't need to have depth. Which is why Gargan is pretty perfect.. Career Criminal experimented on and becomes extra mad and dangerous. While Vulture can deal with losing his job and having his ideas stolen.. and basically both embody "With Great Power Comes LACK of responsibility"

that's what i like about alot of spidey villains.. they got the power to do great things. but chose greed and themselves over doing what is right. They all don't need to be sympathetic (really just Connors should have that) or need a long drawn out explanation as to why they're evil (looking at you electro) some people are just inherently bad.. and crave chaos, power, and money.

If they go down that route, i'd love Vulture and Shocker

 

[ernesth100]

Earlier than Spider-man 4 actually. Ben Kingsley was in talks to play Vulture for Spider-man 3 before Sony coerced Raimi into putting Venom in instead. There's even some concept art

Huh. Oh what couldve been. :/


As for the Vulture situation. It just feels like Vulture works with alot of people.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Can we please get Shocker in at least one of the movies of this trilogy??

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If they go down that route, i'd love Vulture and Shocker

Shocker should be a re-occurring goon.. nothing more.. he has no real story.. and should just be a fun scene stealer per film. The man has no story.. and for some reason people paint him to be a bigger badass than he actually is or ever has been.

this would also make a huge impact when spidey gets the symbiote suit and is fighting him.. and things go from the normal sparring routine the 2 do, to peter nearly killing the man...

that would add alot of depth and drama into it. while at the same time also letting peter know not only the suits weakness due to shockers high-frequency vibration, but also prompting peter to get rid of the suit because he went over the edge.

Shocker should never count as a "real" villain slot.. he should remain tertiary at best.

 

[Supa]

Huh. Oh what couldve been. :/


As for the Vulture situation. It just feels like Vulture works with alot of people.

That's kinda what worries me about Vulture being the main villain. It's pretty rare to see him as the villain of a story, unless he's part of a team or if he's pretty much the first supervillain Spidey faces.
I mean, there's not ever a wrong time to reinvent a character and make them more compelling. Mr. Freeze was close to 30 years old before Batman TAS made him interesting.

But still, Vulture to me always came across as a character people like simply because he's one of the oldest rogues, not because he's really been that interesting.

 

[Village_Idiot]

With the Vulture , I just picture a great fight scene high above the streets of NYC

Vulture has always been one of my favorite Spider-man villain's , but that's probably has more to do with potential then anything else , would be nice to get a write to actually put a little effort into his character

Now can Vulture carry an entire film as the villain , I don't know , I could see teaming him up with someone

 

[CaptainWagner]

Can we please get Shocker in at least one of the movies of this trilogy??

I vote we get him in every movie! First show him as himself, then in the suit, then again before having him get wrecked by Peter in the symbiote. Beating up a likeable scoundrel like that would be a poignant moment if they decide to do that story Justice.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I vote we get him in every movie! First show him as himself, then in the suit, then again before having him get wrecked by Peter in the symbiote. Beating up a likeable scoundrel like that would be a poignant moment if they decide to do that story Justice.

Yup, as stated above

He's a perfect punching bag

 

[Lantern Venom]

I just hope we DO get the Green Goblin in one of these movies. We've still never gotten a Goblin that satisfied my fanboy sensibilities. I want a great Norman and a great GG. Preferably classic GG but unlike many I'm not opposed to a transformation/monster Goblin (though I doubt it would happen since that's what TASM2 did).

It's a given that the Goblin will be along at some point. He's Spider-man's arch-nemesis, so just like we've seen 3 different movie versions of Lex Luthor and Joker, we'll see Green Goblin again.

 

[harryoscop]

It's a given that the Goblin will be along at some point. He's Spider-man's arch-nemesis, so just like we've seen 3 different movie versions of Lex Luthor and Joker, we'll see Green Goblin again.

 

[PeterBenParker]

Hope it doesn't happen for a good bit, though. So drained when it comes to seeing any form of 'Goblin' on the big screen.

 

[PeterBenParker]

All credit goes to Joshua Workman.

 

[FVD]

see Yellow Jacket worked because it was a small scale story that needed to spend alot of time introducing characters and making the audience like them. Yellow Jacket, or cross for that matter didn't have alot of screen time.. I don't think you need to focus all that set up with spidey.. because the general audience is already very aware of who peter and spider-man are.. you can jump into the fun much quicker. Which means more villain time too.. and that's something you don't really need out of vulture...

Vulture works best with another villain of classic nature..

Vulture and Sandman (like Spidey 3 almost gave us)
Vulture and Electro
Vulture and Scorpion (like i'm hoping for)
Vulture and Kraven
Vulture and Rhino

he's pretty versatile, but i'd pick someone of his same calibur.. classic early on comic villain, who's kinda a thug with an ability. Vulture can still be the leading story.. but the second villain doesn't need to have depth. Which is why Gargan is pretty perfect.. Career Criminal experimented on and becomes extra mad and dangerous. While Vulture can deal with losing his job and having his ideas stolen.. and basically both embody "With Great Power Comes LACK of responsibility"

that's what i like about alot of spidey villains.. they got the power to do great things. but chose greed and themselves over doing what is right. They all don't need to be sympathetic (really just Connors should have that) or need a long drawn out explanation as to why they're evil (looking at you electro) some people are just inherently bad.. and crave chaos, power, and money.

I would have liked Rhino and Sandman myself, as that would have been a lot of fun to watch, like on TSSM. And of course at the same time, there would have been a Puppet Master behind their transformations as well being most likely Osborn.

 

[BatsDC]

YES to having a SSM-esque Sandman & Rhino dynamic. That would be fantastic.

 

[Oscorp]

Sweet. Good to see some supporters because haven't seen much as these pages go by lol.


I mean, we're not talking Red Skull in terms of gravitas, but something among the likes of Yellowjacket (that's a bad comparison, I know), or a bit more than that.

Probably someone stronger than Yellowjacket and Ronan the Accuser. I could see Vulture having a threatening presence with his wings, picturing them way bigger than Falcon's, and of course, the fact that an OLD guy has the ability to be "young" again through the wings.

This is definitely fanboy wishing, but it'd be dope if Homecoming featured a quick takeaway thug villain in addition to Vulture. Nothing special though.

Count me in as one of the Vulture supporters! I think he can handle a film on his own actually!

 

[Oscorp]

Yup.

No one interested in seeing Chameleon on the big screen?

I certainly am!

Speaking of bad ideas...

Good idea, rather.


About Glover as Shocker. I love Glover, he's my favourite in Community, but he's definitely no Shocker. I've also seen people suggest Garfield as Shocker. I'm at loss for words. Uuuugh!

 

[CaptainWagner]

I don't see why Glover wouldn't be a good Shocker. You need a funny, likeable deadbeat. Seems like something he'd be great at to me.

 

[Oscorp]

I don't see why Glover wouldn't be a good Shocker. You need a funny, likeable deadbeat. Seems like something he'd be great at to me.

I see Shocker as a pretty serious guy. A bit cocky? Yes, but not in a comedian way. Shocker is tough-guy and I can't picture Glover as him.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Count me in as one of the Vulture supporters! I think he can handle a film on his own actually!

Yeah...I'm on the Vulture bandwagon too. Think he has the potential of being a very good , challenging, & dangerous villain.

 

[Spideyfan117]

I see Shocker as a pretty serious guy. A bit cocky? Yes, but not in a comedian way. Shocker is tough-guy and I can't picture Glover as him.

They could do Ultimate Shocker where he's just there for Spidey to make fun of.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Shocker always reminded me of "the little engine that could" he tries well.. and he can stall spidey.. but he's never really had the upper hand on him

 

[ernesth100]

I wonder if they go with one of the lesser knowns like Tombstone, Hammerhead, Silvermane, Spot. Anyone think that could work?