Homecoming Who should be the Villain in Spider-Man (2017)? - Part 4

[spideyboy_1111]

I wonder if they go with one of the lesser knowns like Tombstone, Hammerhead, Silvermane, Spot. Anyone think that could work?

no... well sorta.

Spot i don't see ever happening even though many on here still seem to push for him.. he's part of the Legion of Losers for a reason....

But Tombstone, Hammerhead, Silvermane all work well for a mob based storyline.. and several spidey villains have mob ties.. like Rhino, Hobgoblin, and even Doc Ock. ... I also wouldn't mind tying the Kravenoff family into the russian maffia.. which can wrope in chameleon and tie in with rhino

 

[Venom'sDad]

Spot i don't see ever happening even though many on here still seem to push for him.. he's part of the Legion of Losers for a reason.

I agree, I don't expect that will ever happen. For me personally, my support for the character is base off the potential I see, of this character ties to the MCU, leading up to IWs & DS and how I would incorporate this character in Spider-Man Homecoming(SHC).

Reason why it may sound like alot of characters, in having Vulture, Kraven, & Spot in my idea for the 1st film; but, they do have a specific role to play in the overall scheme of things. Spot, imho, is so much more than the way the character is portrayed in other adaptions.

 

[Tg11]

Kingpin, Wilson Fisk he would be perfect in this universe but then at the same time they would have to tone him down a bit especially given how on Netflix they give him free reign but in the movie universe on the big screen if he were to show up in a Spidey franchise as a villain they would have to tone him down a lot

 

[Dark Raven]

Why do they need to tone down Wilson Fisk? It's not like he's over the top in Daredevil.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Why do they need to tone down Wilson Fisk? It's not like he's over the top in Daredevil.

Bashing people's heads in with a car door ring a bell?

 

[Sex]

Shoutouts to Daredevil, they absolutely nailed Wilson Fisk.

 

[Tg11]

And could you imagine how Tom Holland's Peter Parker/Spider-Man would fare in a fight with Wilson Fisk/Kingpin? Kingpin would hand Spidey his ass especially if they casted D'Onofrio as Kingpin again and put him in this Disney Marvel Cinematic Universe

 

[Web-Head]

And could you imagine how Tom Holland's Peter Parker/Spider-Man would fare in a fight with Wilson Fisk/Kingpin? Kingpin would hand Spidey his ass especially if they casted D'Onofrio as Kingpin again and put him in this Disney Marvel Cinematic Universe

It's not the Disney MCU, man. D'Onofrio is already in the MCU, they wouldn't recast Fisk. The Netflix shows are apart of the MCU.

 

[Tg11]

But still if they were to include D'Onofrio into the Spideyverse then I wonder how that would work given that he is a Netflix character? I know I would want to see him in the Spideyverse but could you imagine Spidey fighting Kingpin especially D'Onofrio's version of Kingpin especially given what we have seen of him in the Daredevil Netflix series

 

[Infinity9999x]

And could you imagine how Tom Holland's Peter Parker/Spider-Man would fare in a fight with Wilson Fisk/Kingpin? Kingpin would hand Spidey his ass especially if they casted D'Onofrio as Kingpin again and put him in this Disney Marvel Cinematic Universe

Actually, that's one of the problems with DD being so grounded. Fisk was shown benching 495lbs a few times. Very impressive for a normal man.

Spidey could toss 495lbs around like it was a tinker toy. Spidey, realistically, would knock Fisk out with one punch.

But then, the films and cartoons have always been selective when it comes to showing Spidey's strength. That's why we see him being able to lift a car, but having to hit Dock Ock in the face multiple times to knock him out. So I'm sure they'd do the same if Fisk showed up in a film.

 

[Neno_Kos]

Actually, that's one of the problems with DD being so grounded. Fisk was shown benching 495lbs a few times. Very impressive for a normal man.

Spidey could toss 495lbs around like it was a tinker toy. Spidey, realistically, would knock Fisk out with one punch.

But then, the films and cartoons have always been selective when it comes to showing Spidey's strength. That's why we see him being able to lift a car, but having to hit Dock Ock in the face multiple times to knock him out. So I'm sure they'd do the same if Fisk showed up in a film.

Thing is. You could easily explain it with Spidey needing to "hold back" even against bad guys. If Spidey would ever hit someone with his full or even half strenght those people wouldnt be alive. You dont have that problem with villains. Spidey usually win his battles with his "wits and smarts" over fists, and use his full strenght only in rare situations when he saves people from getting hurt. Those are type of situations where you can conclude how strong he really is.

Ofcourse there is difference when he is fighting against Doc Ock or Fisk and when he is fighting again Green Goblin for example (due Goblin formula) and Lizard.

 

[Tg11]

That is why I hope they go with Doc Ock as the villain

 

[BatsDC]

It's not the Disney MCU, man. D'Onofrio is already in the MCU, they wouldn't recast Fisk. The Netflix shows are apart of the MCU.

Ignore him

 

[ernesth100]

You can never go qrong with Doc Ock. He's without a doubt the easiet spidey vlain to pull off.

 

[Web-Head]

Ignore him

I know. He's been told numerous times about this stuff and still ignores it.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Thing is. You could easily explain it with Spidey needing to "hold back" even against bad guys. If Spidey would ever hit someone with his full or even half strenght those people wouldnt be alive. You dont have that problem with villains. Spidey usually win his battles with his "wits and smarts" over fists, and use his full strenght only in rare situations when he saves people from getting hurt. Those are type of situations where you can conclude how strong he really is.

Ofcourse there is difference when he is fighting against Doc Ock or Fisk and when he is fighting again Green Goblin for example (due Goblin formula) and Lizard.

Yeah, I've always felt that's still a bit of a cop out, but then Spidey, like Wolverine, has always been a hero whose strength level has varied greatly. Sometimes he has trouble with the likes of Kingpin, and at other times you see him lifting a helicopter. It's just kind of something you have to accept as part of the suspension of disbelief, the same way you have to when Flash fights anyone that isn't another speedster.

 

[I'm Venom]

And could you imagine how Tom Holland's Peter Parker/Spider-Man would fare in a fight with Wilson Fisk/Kingpin? Kingpin would hand Spidey his ass especially if they casted D'Onofrio as Kingpin again and put him in this Disney Marvel Cinematic Universe

If Marvel can tone down his violence, then there's a chance he can be considered for the movie. Fisk has never been seen on the big screen since the Daredevil movie, and besides Osborn who we all are bored to death already Wilson can take the baddie role to Spider-Man. He doesn't have to be that brutal as in the series. He could appear as the bad behind everything, and then in the final there would be a fight between Daredevil and Fisk. It does look like Marvel are reluctant to crossover their film and TV properties though, outside of a few references. But maybe we'll see Kingpin make a cameo like endorsing Norman or working with Oscorp. I think it's possible to downplay him and make him believable in a PG-13 setting.

 

[Dark Raven]

Bashing people's heads in with a car door ring a bell?

I thought he meant tone down his performance, not tone down the violence. Everyone in the Netflix series are more violent. But they don't have to be for Spider-Man film. Fisk could still be behind the scenes pulling strings somewhere. He could also threaten Aunt May and destroy Peter Parker's life if he learned his identity, so there's more than just physical ways of fighting Spidey.

 

[Supa]

I think the most likely scenario is for Kingpin to get name dropped. I don't see them putting Kingpin as a major character in the actual movies. Not just because it's not that believable for him to fight Spidey, where they gotta give him nonsense like "I'm only 2% fat!", but Marvel in general doesn't want to mix the movies with the shows.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think the most likely scenario is for Kingpin to get name dropped. I don't see them putting Kingpin as a major character in the actual movies. Not just because it's not that believable for him to fight Spidey, where they gotta give him nonsense like "I'm only 2% fat!", but Marvel in general doesn't want to mix the movies with the shows.

I don't think they'd go the 2% fat route, because they've already referred to Kingpin as the fat guy (or fat boy when he was young). So why would they suddenly change that?

And quite honestly, Fisk can claim all he likes that he's only 2% fat, but does he really look like that to anyone? He doesn't look muscular like the Hulk or Thor. Spidey certainly isn't going to think that but would probably make some fat jokes himself about Fisk.

 

[Avid Avenger]

Right now, I think anything....ANYTHING, like crossovers/appearances etc between the movies and t.v, from Fisk coming from an adult netflix show to a family spider-man movie to the Agents and Defenders showing up in IW, is possible. It just is. Anything can happen.

But Marvel have to want it, truly want it, to make it happen.

Fisk in Spider-Man? Easy.
He's the Kingpin, he needs no introduction other than controlling most of the organised crime in the city. Turning peoples heads to mush, doesn't have to happen. He can be calm and collected like he was in S1, with some viciousnous behind closed doors. And he knows he can't take Spidey in a fight, he's superhuman. And Spider-Man, just like DD did/does, interfers and ruins plans, costs him money and assets and in general, pisses him off.
Kingpin can be responsible, like in the Ultimate comics, for the creation of another supervillian, like Scorpion, Rhino, Sandman, Shocker, Vulture...any and more. That supervillian causes problems for Spidey in most of the movie and the final fight between them can cause major damage to Spidey who barely wins. Then Kingpin comes in, Spidey is weaker as well as pulling his punches but Kingpin is just going at him, enraged at this pest. And Spidey wins.

The hardest part would be fitting it into DD and the timeline, and while I'd like him to show up, he doesn't have to. But it's possible. So very possible.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I would be happy with Vulture.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I'd keep anything DD and Spidey separate unless it's Spider-Man guest appearing in an episode or two for the Netflix series.

If you want someone controlling crime in the city (without it being Kingpin), there's always Tombstone and Norman Osborn (which should probably be a lot more hidden this time around rather than the planned scrapped 'Towel of Babel' reveal in the TASM series).

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I'd keep anything DD and Spidey separate unless it's Spider-Man guest appearing in an episode or two for the Netflix series.

That will NEVER happen.

 

[Tg11]

Kingpin being the big bad behind everything or even being somehow connected to Oscorp would make sense as well given that he is not only powerful because of his organized crime connections but Fisk is also a wealthy man as a front for what he really does