Why are people so skeptical of UFO's?

[moviedoors]

There's A LOT of issues going on at the moment. An exploding global population, famine, disease, corruption, religion, raping the planet of resources, the list goes on. We may have made jumps in science & technology, but as a society? We haven't gone anywhere. In fact, things are worse than they ever have been. There needs to be a giant shift in the way we think, what our priorities are, where we see ourselves heading as a civilisation. Because things as they are certainly ain't working, and sooner or later (within our lifetimes) we will be at crisis point.

I don't subscribe to that notion. That's the mantra of every generation, but the arrow of human progress in my eyes tips ever so slightly towards progress. There's just tons of growing pains.

 

[NickNitro]

Getting out of Oil dependency is the biggest pain of them all. Countless multi million/billion dollar companies would lose tons of money if we globalized clean emissions engines. God forbid they have to sell their 4th summer home in the Alps.

 

[superpower]

Its sad that these are the types of cases that get the most public exposure.

That's because people find it entertaining.

What gets more ratings an educational show or entertainment shows?

Entertainment is the non habit (sarcasm) forming drug used by most of us to escape the ugly side of reality. So until we collectively grow a pair and face our issues we will stay focused on being entertained.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Dude I'm sorry but you're acting like everyone here is a physicist/molecular scientist/quantitative mathematician. We are discussing what we think is probable. I nor anyone else here needs to copy from Wikipedia a long mathematical equation that wouldn't be understood by 99% of this community just to say "I think an older species in the galaxy could have cracked the code to inter dimensional space travel".

This is all speculation on both sides.

He didn't say that HE THINKS that there is a "higher probability." He said that there IS a "higher probability." There's a huge difference there. I'm not out of line for asking for some sort of quantitative justification for such a statement.

 

[NickNitro]

You know what would be even more entertaining? When we get invaded by an alien species. Too bad it'll be too late.

 

[Doctor Evo]

We've only known the true shape of our OWN planet for only a thousand years or so.

Um...what?

 

[superpower]

I don't subscribe to that notion. That's the mantra of every generation, but the arrow of human progress in my eyes tips ever so slightly towards progress. There's just tons of growing pains.

Not to sound smart assy but have you been a part of all of those generations and experienced that mantra throughout the ages?

I ask because a history book is like the news. It can't give you a full understanding because not everything has been recorded.

So are you not making an assertion based on what you think you know?

 

[NickNitro]

Um...what?

You can't take what I said out of context Evo and try and make me look like I didn't make sense. Our species for only a thousand or so years have even known what the shape of our own planet is. Let alone the possibilities of life on other planets, in other galaxies.

I was going along with Marvolo in his gripe that our species is but a fetus in the grand scheme of the age of the cosmos. That if we presume to think we know all there is to know about physics/reality then we really are undeserving to the vast knowledge that I'm sure is out there.

 

[superpower]

Getting out of Oil dependency is the biggest pain of them all. Countless multi million/billion dollar companies would lose tons of money if we globalized clean emissions engines. God forbid they have to sell their 4th summer home in the Alps.

This hits the nail close to the head for me.

So long as we are lead by people with an insatiable lust for money and power we will always be stuck on the brink.

 

[Doctor Evo]

You can't take what I said out of context Evo and try and make me look like I didn't make sense. Our species for only a thousand or so years have even known what the shape of our own planet is. Let alone the possibilities of life on other planets, in other galaxies.

I was going along with Marvolo in his gripe that our species is but a fetus in the grand scheme of the age of the cosmos. That if we presume to think we know all there is to know about physics/reality then we really are undeserving to the vast knowledge that I'm sure is out there.

No, I understand (and agree with) your overall point, but the bolded portion is completely false.

 

[NickNitro]

Exactly. Its sad that these people control everything, from the economy to our fundamental way of living.

If we could, we could just stop driving cars all together and protest the Oil companies, but honestly who could do that. 3/4 of us would lose our jobs. But cars arent even half of it, public transportation, factories, everything uses oil.

Its a sad viscous cycle we've put ourselves in. I fear there isn't going to be an end until we use up all of the worlds oil reserve.

 

[NickNitro]

No, I understand (and agree with) your overall point, but the bolded portion is completely false.

http://www.bede.org.uk/flatearth.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy

The early Greeks, in their speculation and theorizing, ranged from the flat disc advocated by Homer to the spherical body postulated by Pythagoras — an idea supported later by Aristotle.

Pythagoras was a mathematician and to him the most perfect figure was a sphere. He reasoned that the gods would create a perfect figure and therefore the earth was created to be spherical in shape. Anaximenes, an early Greek scientist, believed strongly that the earth was rectangular in shape.

The Indian mathematician Aryabhata (AD 476 - 550) was a pioneer of mathematical astronomy. He describes the earth as being spherical and that it rotates on its axis among other things in his work Āryabhaṭīya.

Of the medieval Persian Abu Rayhan Biruni (973-1048) it is said:
"Important contributions to geodesy and geography were also made by Biruni. He introduced techniques to measure the earth and distances on it using triangulation. He found the radius of the earth to be 6339.6 km, a value not obtained in the West until the 16th century. His Masudic canon contains a table giving the coordinates of six hundred places, almost all of which he had direct knowledge."[9]
At the age of 17, Biruni calculated the latitude of Kath, Khwarazm, using the maximum altitude of the Sun. Biruni also solved a complex geodesic equation in order to accurately compute the Earth's circumference, which were close to modern values of the Earth's circumference

 

[superpower]

Exactly. Its sad that these people control everything, from the economy to our fundamental way of living.

If we could, we could just stop driving cars all together and protest the Oil companies, but honestly who could do that. 3/4 of us would lose our jobs. But cars arent even half of it, public transportation, factories, everything uses oil.

Its a sad viscous cycle we've put ourselves in. I fear there isn't going to be an end until we use up all of the worlds oil reserve.

So true. I don't think our use though. Its how we use it. Many products today require some amount of oil even if its just to lube the gears.

I attribute part of it is this expectation for life idea that is perpetuated from the top down.... Status if you will. Makes everyone covet and feel "less" if they aren't keeping up with the Jones.

 

[Dr.]

http://www.bede.org.uk/flatearth.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geodesy

The early Greeks, in their speculation and theorizing, ranged from the flat disc advocated by Homer to the spherical body postulated by Pythagoras — an idea supported later by Aristotle.

So... over two thousand years ago, not one thousand years.

 

[NickNitro]

So... over two thousand years ago, not one thousand years.

really dude...just move on

 

[superpower]

So... over two thousand years ago, not one thousand years.

I think i see your point.... Misinformation is bad.

However he said "a thousand years or so" making it an approximation.

To which you only needed to say "more like two thousand or so".

Why make it seem like a flagrant attempt to misinform?

Nothing we are discussing changes if it was one, two, or twenty thousand years ago.

 

[Dr.]

Really dude? just move on

Just wanted to be clear that you were correcting your previous misstatement. So stipulated - yes, let's move on.

 

[NickNitro]

I think i see your point.... Misinformation is bad.

However he said "a thousand years or so" making it an approximation.

To which you only needed to say "more like two thousand or so".

Why make it seem like a flagrant attempt to misinform?

Nothing we are discussing changes if it was one, two, or twenty thousand years ago.

No you don't understand Dr. has made it his soul purpose on this forum to try and correct everyone that believes in something he doesn't. Especially if I said "a thousand or so" and no specifically "2 thousand or more" years ago.

Your friends must hate playing the "guess how many jellybeans are in this jar" game with you.

 

[superpower]

No you don't understand Dr. has made it his soul purpose on this forum to try and correct everyone that believes in something he doesn't. Especially if I said "a thousand or so" and no specifically "2 thousand or more" years ago.

Your friends must hate playing the "guess how many jellybeans are in this jar" game with you.

Well. Theres nothing wrong with "correcting" but like everything its about how you do it.

I know the type though and its usually the ones who think they are the most perfect who are actually the most flawed.

 

[Solouk]

Exactly this. We have literally nothing to base a claim of what tech other lifeforms might have or what laws of physics might be possible. Pure speculation is fine as a starting point, but to make baseless, literally baseless, assumptions about what must be out there and what is possible isn't reasonable. I would love for all this stuff to be true, but the fact of the matter is we don't have enough information to make any kind of positive claims. We simply don't know.

Wouldn't it be an awful waste of space though? Kinda like Sarah Palin but on a hugely cosmic scale lol. But it's always more interesting to think about things you don't know about than things you do. I'm extremely interested into what these airline pilots are seeing on a regular basis, because they are credible witnesses and know what they're talking about. Also astronauts. And what about the NASA archives? An archive with over a million photographs in there and yet what has been made public has barely scratched the surface of what they have. Why is that? There's definitely something going on, not something sinister I feel, but something we rightfully deserve to know about. As for black project aircraft? Maybe a small percentage, but on the whole? Nah.

 

[Dr.]

No you don't understand Dr. has made it his soul purpose on this forum to try and correct everyone that believes in something he doesn't. Especially if I said "a thousand or so" and no specifically "2 thousand or more" years ago.

Your friends must hate playing the "guess how many jellybeans are in this jar" game with you.

It’s a common misperception that the spherical nature of the Earth was only discovered after the Dark/Middle Ages - so that’s roughly a thousand years ago. (Some even think that the round Earth discovery is somehow connected to Columbus’s first voyages to the Americas). And I assumed that this misperception was in Doc Evo’s mind when he made his corrective comment. Certainly, that was all I meant with my clarification; no offense intended.

 

[superpower]

To make a claim that other life forms travel through space using goo goo fuel is a baseless full out lie.

But to use what we know then speculate seems pretty normal and okay.

If speculating is okay then so must assuming. Isn't an assumption very much like a speculation? Both are talking out of your butt.

Now being overly assertive about your assumption is bad.

We are probably all wrong here.... ALL of us.

And to say a particular fuel or means of travel could or could not be used is a pretty big assumption in and of itself. No?

There is no right or wrong in the unknown or discussing it because.... Dun dun dunnnnn its unknown.

 

[NickNitro]

It’s a common misperception that the spherical nature of the Earth was only discovered after the Dark/Middle Ages - so that’s roughly a thousand years ago. (Some even think that the round Earth discovery is somehow connected to Columbus’s first voyages to the Americas). And I assumed that this misperception was in Doc Evo’s mind when he made his corrective comment. Certainly, that was all I meant with my clarification; no offense intended.

No worries. no offense taken. We are all just here because we are curious about the truth. Whatever the truth may be...we are all here for the same purpose, to be enlightened.

 

[Doctor Evo]

No you don't understand Dr. has made it his soul purpose on this forum to try and correct everyone that believes in something he doesn't. Especially if I said "a thousand or so" and no specifically "2 thousand or more" years ago.

Your friends must hate playing the "guess how many jellybeans are in this jar" game with you.

You do understand that Dr. and I are two different people, right?

 

[Doctor Evo]

Why make it seem like a flagrant attempt to misinform?

Nobody is doing any such thing.