Why are so many people deadset against showing the origin?

[Octoberist]

But you can't write off Donner's Superman to the point of irrelevancy. Not saying that you are, but there are some, and it's so..fanboyish. I think we just need to move on with a new vision.

I think Kidder is probably the best on-screen Lois that we've gotten, along with Chris Reeve as Supes.

That's why if they are going to reboot, get people who are different enough but can embody the spirit of the characters. An actress like Kate Bosworth was like the anti-Lois Lane.

 

[Showtime]

I think it is more that the character presented was the Anti-Lois Lane.

 

[Frodo]

I think that it's time to move on from the Donner film. We've had Superboy, Lois and Clark, SV, STAS, and SR since the first two films were released. And before STM we had the Flesicer Cartoons , The Serials, and The George Reeve series.

Of course , it's a great achievement in the Superman canon but it's time to give the next generation their Superman as opposed to trying to copy or recapture a nostaglic feeling from STM.

That's my view .

 

[KalMart]

I think that it's time to move on from the Donner film. We've had Superboy, Lois and Clark, SV, STAS, and SR since the first two films were released. And before STM we had the Flesicer Cartoons , The Serials, and The George Reeve series.

Of course , it's a great achievement in the Superman canon but it's time to give the next generation their Superman as opposed to trying to copy or recapture a nostaglic feeling from STM.

That's my view .

I think it was time to move away fro the Donner movies back in the 80's when Superman III came out, so better late than never, no?

 

[Webhead2006]

I still enjoy watching donner's films and the other reeve supes films i have seen. They are classics i agree with some folks and they do still hold some value and all that. I too love the williams score its one of the best themes for a character like jaws, star wars, indy those are all classics scores.

But i am still in the mindset if we are indeed to start completely over everything should be wiped clean and have a fresh start and new direction. Have new look, setting, story, actors, director, writers, and including music. This should look and feel different then the past. I have no problems if their is like a homage or two during the film. I just dont want to see what singer did again and pretty much made the whole thing a homage to donner.

 

[KalMart]

Sure...moving on should in no way be meant to denigrate or diminish what was done well before. But if anything like that is the apex of what it can be, why bother making any movies now? I do think that the Star Wars prequels should never have been made, but that's a bit different. Something like Superman can and should be retold over different generations, and evolve as well to remain contemporary. Otherwise it'll remain as history.

 

[TheCalling]

Seriously, im soooooo scared WB is going to f**k this up!

 

[KalMart]

Seriously, im soooooo scared WB is going to f**k this up!

Well.....they didn't F up Batman, so I think it'll start by hopefully hiring the right creative vision....not that they knew the difference, but still. Hopefully the right helmsman/writers will come along and be to Superman what Nolan is to Batman, Abrams to Star Trek, Favreau to Iron Man, etc.

 

[Superfreak]

Yes, yes, yes!

and given that they have a moderately good cast in existance, they should just drop into a 'single serving' movie of the already established superman. It can be a sequel to SR, that ignores/minimizes those questionable creative decisions made in SR, without erasing them. It can exist within the current continuity, without having to be a fully integrated direct sequel to SR. Just a sequel (ie. not Star Trek II and Star Trek III, direct sequels, but like Star Trek VI, what I'll call an indirect sequel). Meaning, SR happened, but it doesn't mean that it has to be touched upon in detail in said sequel.

 

[KalMart]

No, No. No.


No kind of continuation or even association with any prior Superman movie at all, not even casting. Time to start fresh and hopefully begin a new and independent series of chapters to come. That's the kind of conviction that the franchise needs, top to bottom.

 

[Frodo]

I think it was time to move away fro the Donner movies back in the 80's when Superman III came out, so better late than never, no?

Lol. The music was good back then wasn't it? I mean..Don't Stop Believing..classic.

 

[KalMart]

Tainted Love.

 

[GreenKToo]

Eye of the tiger.

 

[solidsnake86]

But you can't write off Donner's Superman to the point of irrelevancy. Not saying that you are, but there are some, and it's so..fanboyish. I think we just need to move on with a new vision.

I think Kidder is probably the best on-screen Lois that we've gotten, along with Chris Reeve as Supes.

That's why if they are going to reboot, get people who are different enough but can embody the spirit of the characters. An actress like Kate Bosworth was like the anti-Lois Lane.

I respect what donner did and don't write it off. But then when you dont, it becomes a game of, oh you can't change the williams theme, then it spirals into every other element that can't be changed and your back at square one. I really disagree with kidder being the best on-screen lois, seeing as how I think every lois that has come after (save for bosworth) has been better, but thats a matter of opinion so we would have to agree to disagree there.

 

[KalMart]

If Batman can completely re-equip and restart its franchise and continuity after 8 years without consciously or intentionally 'writing off' the one before it, then Superman can certainly do it after 30+ years.

 

[KalMart]

Eye of the tiger.

Come On Eileen

 

[GreenKToo]

Roxanne.

It will take a director with some nads to take on the next Superman.
WB will be breathing down his neck ever step of the way.

 

[KalMart]

Actually, the origin in the Donner film took about an hour to get through krypton, and Smallville, and the fortress. About 1/2 the movie.


IMO, I don't want to see the 'background' story. I want to see a superman story.


Personally, I think a lot of people get caught up with the Krypton elements of the story. I wish Krypton would die, and that would be the end of it, other than superman. No villains from krypton, no machines, no technology. I don't want to see supes constantly dealing with the negative impacts of his heritage... then you end up in the same trap as "Smallville" (where everything must have some sort of kryptonian origin: ie. STUPID)

Any new superman movie should start and end with superman already in metropolis. Just get on with the 'Superman' story, and avoid telling the krypton/jor'el/smallville story

Maybe not 'already' in Metropolis...but WE should already be there, and we'll be introduced to Supes like the city is for the first time. Maybe....something like....

Start the movie off with TV news interviews of various cityfolk, recalling some calamity that just happened on a 'normal day, just like any other...'. Cut to a scene of the time in question, everything normal, guy getting his lunch at a deli, woman coming out of a bank, newsstand guy giving his customer change, etc. 'And then...that's when it happened...' BOOM....something big and disastrous overhead, everyone looking up and screaming. 'I thought that was it...I'm dead...........but then....' Out of nowhere.......

 

[BestGirl]

and given that they have a moderately good cast in existance, they should just drop into a 'single serving' movie of the already established superman. It can be a sequel to SR, that ignores/minimizes those questionable creative decisions made in SR, without erasing them. It can exist within the current continuity, without having to be a fully integrated direct sequel to SR. Just a sequel (ie. not Star Trek II and Star Trek III, direct sequels, but like Star Trek VI, what I'll call an indirect sequel). Meaning, SR happened, but it doesn't mean that it has to be touched upon in detail in said sequel.

Which questionable creative decisions are just going to be ignored? They can't get rid of Jason, even if it is a loose sequel, and that'll be a problem for me.

 

[BestGirl]

Do you think he'd remember what Krypton was like?

Nope.

Depending on how it's done, such things can be conveyed in a montage.

Yes, but as in-depth as I'd like. I want to see Clark's reaction to his realization that he has superpowers, I want to hear his reasoning for becoming a superhero. A quick montage can't do that.

showing the discovery of his powers might take too much time since he didn't develop them all at once,

The next director may decide otherwise.

and everyone knows why Clark becomes Superman, to serve the greater good.

And everyone knows Bruce Wayne became Batman to make sure no one would have to suffer the way he did, but it was still entertaining and moving to see his decision to become Batman play out on screen.

The only good that could come from a new origin would be to undo that ridiculous notion from the Donner films that Jor-El had somehow planned for Kal to become a superhero all along

There's no doubt about that.

Inserting Flashbacks in the movie is different from devoting a portion of the movie to the origin. If not the opening montage, then I would support brief flashes

I too like the flashback idea.

 

[Frodo]

Come On Eileen

Drive- The Cars

 

[KalMart]

Yes, but as in-depth as I'd like. I want to see Clark's reaction to his realization that he has superpowers, I want to hear his reasoning for becoming a superhero. A quick montage can't do that.

Which is why using it in a different place and 'function', if you will, than 'the first 15 minutes or so' might be the best way to go. You can get more narrative meat out of it, and the overall film(s) itself will have more chronological variety in its storyline.

Which questionable creative decisions are just going to be ignored? They can't get rid of Jason, even if it is a loose sequel, and that'll be a problem for me.

Right...and why salvage older parts and plug up leaks when you can just build a brand new boat from new parts....for the same cost?

 

[KalMart]

Drive- The Cars

Yoooooo-da.....Y-O-D-A, Yooooo-da....

 

[GreenKToo]

pour some sugar on me.....

I kinda like the idea of it opening with supes in a fight, i'm talking a slobber knocker here. He gets knocked senseless, then in flashbacks we see him remembering SV, him learning his origins, etc.

 

[Frodo]

Everybody wants to rule the world

I was thinking the flashbacks would through out though they would be flashbacks that add to over all story as opposed to showing everything.