Why Does Wolverine get a pass but the Punisher Doesn't?

[ChelseaGrin26]

I love Spidey yet also love when hes made fun of. That goes for super heroes in general.

 

[Ipodman]

Superheroes can battle one another if the situation permits, but Punisher doesnt care about situation. The situation is HIS situation, and hes gonna get the job done

However. if this leads to harming a fellow superhero i think thats taking it too far

 

[ChelseaGrin26]

Well Frank doesn't have any problem with incapacitating a hero if they are in his way. He won't use lethal force but he has no qualms about kicking the crap out of them.

 

[nathaniel]

Wolvie gets a pass because though he is portrayed as a cold blooded killer at times he very rarely actually kills.

 

[javi1024]

you dont read X-Force much do you...

 

[Dread]

X-FORCE is often quite a bloodbath. Thankfully, no one smokes. That's the worst thing anyone could do in Joe Q's eyes. Kids are impressionable. It's okay to have teenagers slaughter people or be mutilated or Peter Parker to have drunken sex with co-eds, but heaven forbid anyone lights up. Man, it'd be the end of the world as we know it.

 

[Shockdingo]

Phew, thank God we don't see Fury with a stogie anymore, seeing that would offend me so much that I'd cry for hours on end. I could only take comfort in the bamboozling bloodbath of X-force and their gore-tastic alternate covers and internal content. t:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The thing that really bugs me about X-Force right now is Archangel. Talk about getting a pass for killing. Warren doesn't even have any internal conflict about it like Wolverine used to (or still does, I guess, if you're a fan and you want to cling to that notion) because he turns blue and gets metal wings before he does his killing. So it's like it doesn't really count!

 

[Shockdingo]

That's a good point, it hasn't really hasn't hit the fan for him. I mean he's loopy for sure and all, but I haven't really seen any major soul searching on what he's become. Though I'm quite behind on Messiah War so I don't know if that's been covered in the least.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Beast b****ed at him a bit when he found out, but Warren was just like "I don't want to talk about it" and flew away. Which represents a concerted refusal to be introspective on his part. Which makes him come off like a coward to me.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

There was a nice moment in Messiah War where he told Apoc how it was. He said he didn't want to be his horseman and all that anymore.

10 minutes later he was slaughtering people again...

 

[Spider-Vader]

Re-subdue him. Or chop off his head.

Yeah, Wolverine gave Cyke that sword that killed Sabretooth. So if they wanted to Wolverine's gone.

You might be the only person besides me who would admit to liking the 2004 PUNISHER film. I saw it as a modern Western, and appreciated it on that level. I mean it even had two quick-draw scenes, including the climax, like a Western. But, yeah, I though Jane humanized him a bit. Sadly, few really see Castle as a human, more like a killing machine; Brock Samson without the humor.

I loved the 2004 movie.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I think people view Punisher as less moral only by the differences of killing.

Wolverine: -Sometimes- doesn't kill everything, and just likes to cut people up and junk. Cause he doesn't -have- to kill.

Punisher: Shoot first, never ask questions. Ever. BAM!!!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

For a guy who doesn't have to kill, Wolverine sure chooses to kill a lot.

 

[Ipodman]

I always assumed it was his Berserker Rage... that makes him go all mad and slashes everything.. like in the XOW movie where he literally cuts through a wall.

The Punisher has to develop his own "Rage"... which i think is his memories of the family killing?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine hasn't had any serious bouts of berserker rage in a while. And if he does, he usually just lets it run its course now. Dude doesn't care about killing anymore. Can't say I blame him either, given that about 2/3rds of Marvel's heroes kill without compunctions now.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I said choose, cause he doesn't ALWAYS kill. Just usually.

Where Punisher, there is but one method. Kill.

 

[Joker]

Punisher once dropped a nuclear bomb on a south pacific island. No matter how many times Wolverine goes into a rage and offs some people, he'll never be on the same level of psychopathic murderer as Frank.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Nukes just aren't Wolverine's style. He'd go in and murder everyone on the island by hand.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Wolverine would also murder innocents.

Punisher wouldn't do that. Even if he used a weapon that indiscriminately kills in a large radius in which nothing could survive, though it only discriminates against criminals.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He'd scout and plan and make 150% sure that no innocents are in the area. Because he's always just a person who kills other people, not a psychopathic beast half the time.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

And that's the difference, and why Punisher is a hero, while Wolverine will always just be a souless killer.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I don't really consider the Punisher a hero, either.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You must then at least consider Taskmaster to be a true blue hero.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope, just a mercenary.