Sequels Why Raimi will not do the Lizard

[Venom 1988]

Carnage is just a bad, BAD idea. He is such a weak character in the comics and so one dimensional. Eddie Brock was never a great characterization either, but there were some great elements there such as: Eddie/Venom's twisted view of morality and the way he'd stalk Peter.

Carnage is a completely flat character with no motivations other than the fact that he's a lunatic. While it made for some entertaining comics in the 90's, it's not right for a feature film.

Remember, the spidey movies should center around Peter. As soon as these scripts are written simply around cool fights the series will die.

I think the symbiote should be finished in the films, though I do agree with many people in that there was enough for Eddie/Venom to make a complete movie.

Agreed

 

[Alex]

Because they couldn't change his story even a bit, right?

 

[bellepheron]

Raimi obviously would do the lizard story!! There have been links on this website to articles where the guy who play Connors had said that raimi has already been discussing the lizard with him..........

Close this thread it sucks, lets open up more spiderman 3 hate threads!!!

 

[Eddie Brock]

Close this thread it sucks, lets open up more spiderman 3 hate threads!!!

Oh, go play in traffic. Spider-Man 3 was great...let's see you make anything HALF as good.

 

[bellepheron]

Oh, go play in traffic. Spider-Man 3 was great...let's see you make anything HALF as good.

Give me 250 million dollars and im pretty sure i could and the point was why do we have a thread about something that has no basis in reality, raimi has already been discussing the lizard with his cast!! And seriously its not that gr8 i recommend u go watch hulk, daredevil or even elektra for sum more great marvel films.................

 

[Eddie Brock]

Give me 250 million dollars and im pretty sure i could and the point was why do we have a thread about something that has no basis in reality, raimi has already been discussing the lizard with his cast!! And seriously its not that gr8 i recommend u go watch hulk, daredevil or even elektra for sum more great marvel films.................

Hulk sucked...and I never saw Elektra.

You have a very twisted sense of "great films."

 

[Alex]

Give me 250 million dollars and im pretty sure i could and the point was why do we have a thread about something that has no basis in reality, raimi has already been discussing the lizard with his cast!! And seriously its not that gr8 i recommend u go watch hulk, daredevil or even elektra for sum more great marvel films.................

I'm pretty sure you couldn't, but your mind is set, so whatever.

Spiderman 3 is better than those three films. The Hulk is terrible, Daredevil is all right, but could be a lot better and Elektra, although probably better than the Hulk, still wasn't a great movie.

 

[Tempest19]

Does anyone have that interview with Dylan Baker that he said that Raimi kept dropping hints on him to prepare for becoming the Lizard in a future movie, possibly Spider-Man 4?

The lizard, in my mind, is more or less guaranteed- they had the story during the filming of Spider-Man 3. Avi said that SM4 already has a story in a recent interview, Raimi has been reportedly hinting to the Lizard and expanding Doctor Connors' role in the film- expect the Lizard. It's a CLASSIC villain.

 

[bellepheron]

Hulk sucked...and I never saw Elektra.

You have a very twisted sense of "great films."

It's called sarcasm.... obviously they arent good films!!

Neway heres the link for tempest19

http://www.ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=4055

 

[Spidey-Quad]

No Carnage, too many other rogues to explore. Who needs a differant colored Venom?

 

[Eddie Brock]

No Carnage, too many other rogues to explore. Who needs a differant colored Venom?

I'm not defending Carnage, but who needs a different colored Goblin?

 

[spideyman101]

You have a point... but I think the only reason they decided to switch Lizard with Ock is clearly that in terms of a movie, you MUST have more time for the two characters (Peter and Connors) to bond and create a friendship.

Bringing Lizard in SM2 would have been a mistake, because in the comics Pete and Connors were good friends, and 5 minutes before a DNA-mutation accident would not achieve that on screen.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I don't know if I agree with this

yeah sympathetic scientist has been done before, but the different take they can do with the Lizard, that they didn't do with Doc Ock, is how his familey, and relationship with Peter Parker affect the story

granted Parker, and octavious have had some connection, but they could really front end the movie, with the beginning of the movie being Parker and Stacy stay up real late working with Conners on an experiment, and he tells Parker how much he has improved, and how he is like a son to him now, and how Parker precieves him as kind of a father figure etc. And then emotionally this dissuades Parker from ultimatley killing the Lizard, when (hopefully) Kraven the Hunter, wants to kill the Lizard

Or like, Aunt May gets on her death Bed, and Conners saves her, so Spidey is like, he helped me once, now I have to help him

I dunno, there is more than one take they can do with the Lizard, I garuntee he is the next main villain

 

[DareDemon]

I don't know why people hate Raimi for Connors being a physicist and not a biologist. Perheps the reason he'll become a monster in the movies is BECAUSE he's not a biologist? It's not that big of a stretch to imagine someone who isn't in that field making a big mistake.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I believe Raimi wouldn't mind using Lizard if he's on the next project.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Raimi SHOULDn't be on the next project... he got exposed for what he was... I would have no problems with another director stepping in as well as new actors... Baker has got to be back as Conners... thats the only thing I worry about

 

[Alex]

Raimi SHOULDn't be on the next project... he got exposed for what he was... I would have no problems with another director stepping in as well as new actors... Baker has got to be back as Conners... thats the only thing I worry about

A good director?

 

[Eddie Brock]

A good director?

Exactly.

 

[Visionary]

My suggestion is to play off of this fact. Peter can find out the Lizard-monster in the sewers is Conners via his family. He and MJ are engaged so he is worrying if they can make it (after SM3 and what May said) and he sees what a superpowered figure does to the Conners family. He also sees parallels to Norman, Otto and Harry, but this time he will not die, he WILL save Conners. And thus enter Kraven trying to kill the Lizard and Spider-Man is defending a villain trying to kill him from another villain who will kill Spidey to get to the Lizard (enter live burial).

It works.

Great idea, sounds pretty solid.