Why the hate for Wolverine?

[UraniaChang]

Movie Jean loved Cyke, not Logan. There was some attraction there that she repressed (which is why Pheonix wanted him), but if she had to choose one she would've chosen Cyke over Logan in a heartbeat. The films did make that clear in my opinion, especially in X3 when Cyke's death is what kept setting her off. Just my opinion, that's all.

Anybody notice on the "making-of"s for X2 that the "I love him" scene at the x-jet was a long makeout scene, where her and Logan make out for a while and Jean stops and decides not to take it further? In the film Singer cuts it down to show it as Logan kissing her and her pulling away, but the special features show that it went further than that.

Not just movie Jean, they love each other no matter in which dimention...

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

exactly, but shud not hate Wolvie for that

 

[Loganbabe]

Jean: "Don't make me do this"
Logan: "Do what?"
Jean: [walks away]

Does he need it to be told to his face, spelled out phonetically and acted out with sock puppets to get the message?

Maybe. To me the message wasn´t that clear, anyway.
And take a look at some parts of the X2 novelization I put below.

That exchange inside the X-Jet? Yeah I know about it. Jean had the right idea. Setting up a ROLO would help take the attention off of her.

I didn´t ask if you know about it, but if you´ve read it. If you read it, you know how Logan made Jean feel, and why she said those things to Storm. And you know what Storm told her.
And maybe you also know about this:

"She caught him by surprise, covering his hands with hers, reaching out at the same time with her telekinetic power to close the miniscule gap that remained between them" (...)
He was the one who moaned as barriers collapsed between them and Jean gave him access to her own mind, her own sensations, her own emotions."(...)
"He wanted her to see the whole of him; he wanted to give her every excuse to run away, because if she chose to stay, if she accepted what he was, then this was real. It would last.
What surprised him was the discovery that she was just as scared, just as determined."(...)
"It would be easy if her heart told her one thing and her head another; scientist though she was, empiricist to the core, she knew she would follow her heart.
But her heart felt equally, passionately, torn between them, and she couldn´t see any way yet to heal the rift."

The kiss scene. Yeah, it was just Logan robbing a kiss and then Jean telling him to back off...

You're just not gonna be satisfied, are you? So how the heck is Jean supposed to make it 100% clear to him then?

100% clear? She never made it 100% clear to him, not in the movies, even less in the novelization.
And I wasn´t the only one who perceived those things, so I guess it wasn´t 100% clear to great part of the audience, either.

From his first moments he saw them together he could see them tenerly holding hands in the garage scene, and the fact that they're sharing a suite together should be a big hint, yet Logan doesn't hesitate to keep chiseling in. Why not go after someone who's actually available, like Ororo instead?

Well, you see the scenes you want to see, based on your notion of the Jean/Scott relationship in the comics. Part of the audience, who didn´t know a thing about the comics, knew that Jean and Scott were a couple in the movie, but also perceived a strong attraction between Logan and Jean. Simple as that.
And why should Logan go after Ororo just because she was "available"? He felt something that connected him to Jean, maybe not even love, but the beginning of something that could be love. Why being so rational about feelings? That´s how we act in real life, all rational and stuff? Why couldn´t someone like Logan enter Jean´s life (and vice-versa), and change it? Now you´re going to tell me it never happens, not when people have "stable" relationships. Come on...

You change any of these, and you change the essense of the X-men.

Many things changed in the movies, from the very first one until the last, and while some fans complained, a lot enjoyed the changes. Singer changed the uniforms, for starters. Of course he wouldn´t change the fact that Scott wore visors, or that Logan had claws, because he wasn´t stupid. But he gave us the Bobby/Rogue relationship, something that NEVER happened in comics. So by that he was changing the essence of the X-Men?
The idea for a Jean/Logan/Cyke triangle came from the comics, so it was nothing new. Singer only gave hints that a Jean/Logan thing in the movies had more possibilities than it ever had in the comics.

Possibility? Sure, but not the way it's portrayed in the film. In X2 Logan has been around Jean not more than 5-6 days.

Again, you´re being rational about feelings. I don´t know what Logan saw in Jean, or what Jean saw in Logan, but something clicked between them. And 5-6 days are enough for it.

So on what grounds do you base this... possibility? Wishful thinking? Because the cast members look good on camera together? You gotta give more credible evidence than that. A relationship is based on more than physical attraction. If they both like the way they look, then at best you're looking at a fling. But certainly nothing so dangerous that it could threaten to break Jean and Scott apart.

And how do you know Scott and Jean´s relationship was so strong and meaningful, and Logan´s attraction based only on "physical attraction"? Based on your knowledge of the comics? Because I knew nothing of the X-Men before I watched the first movie, and Scott and Jean looked just like a very ordinary couple to me. There was nothing in the movie that made be believe they would be in love forever, and that Logan didn´t stand a chance.

Again, see above. Nothing ever happened that would threaten to break apart Jean and Scott's relationship.

Logan happened.
And again you´re talking as if things like that never happen in real life. Happy couples break apart everyday, all the time. It´s not the end of the world.
But I guess that, anyway, Marvel wouldn´t allow a Jean/Logan in the movies, so they prefered to kill her.

But when it came time to the big test and Logan overstepped his bounds, she made it clear that those boundaries were there and that he must not cross them. Granted, the damage had already been done ever so slightly and Jean felt the guilt for having betrayed Scott's absolute trust he gave her along with his heart, but it was still a far cry from destroying their relationship.

Again, read the novelization quotes. He wasn´t just eye candy to her, and she wasn´t just a piece of meat to him. And they crossed the boundaries when they opend their minds to each other.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

Logan loves Jean...
Cyc Loves Jean,
Cyc Dies
PPl angry...

 

[gambitfire]

Logan lusts Jean
Fans (normally non X-mythos knowledged) misconcieve this as "Love"
People are easily bought into this relationship because it was the only focus
Cyke dies
Movie flawed in so many other areas but those closed minded blinded by their love of the movie ppl keep thinking we are just angry for this reason.

 

[danoyse]

Alot of people on here who defend this movie or the character are 1: obviously fans of him, but more bothering to me 2: New the X-world or 3: Huge Woverine fans. So you look at it from one perspective in which case you obviously loved the movie. In our case we had so many reasons to dislike it not just because of Cyclops. Then i get told things need to diverge and i say that's fine but for the better not the worst. The fact is there where alot of dissapointed fans, and most of them where not Wolverine fans, Jackman fans, or New the X-mythos.

And is something wrong with being a fan of something that you're not necessarily a fan of, or liking something for a completely different reason that bothersome? Does the fact that people who have never read a comic book and know of the *eternal love* between Cyclops and Jean can still enjoy an X-Men movie...because they don't have 40 years of comic books in their head to feel like some horrible injustice has been done to them?

Yes i remember Pleasentville but the general audience won't remember him for that. Not everyone has your taste. Also the blockbuster hits speak for themselves

But anyone who's a fan of movies can remember an actor's films other than the blockbuster one.

Oh and his appeal is so great that Van Helsing was just mind blowing............

And Van Helsing was bad movie--because there were too many special effects and no plot. However, the scene where he rips his shirt off to turn into a werewolf...that was appealing.

 

[ntcrawler]

Logan lusts Jean
Fans (normally non X-mythos knowledged) misconcieve this as "Love"

Correct. There was nothing in the movies to substantiate any deeper connection than Logan flirting with Jean and Jean liking the attention. If anything, Jean felt sorry for Logan, for all his pain and anguish and understood what he was going through. Plus she was fascinated by his healing factor. She knew he was a good guy inside, and cared for him just like she cared for all her other teammates and students. Logan was crying out in his own special way and wanted her to answer it. She wasn't willing to give him what he wanted, she made that point clear, and he accepted it ("she made a choice", as if Scott ever had doubts). End of movie, end of story. X3 is hard to judge since it goes so far off course with everything it's hard to tell what is and isn't real.

People are easily bought into this relationship because it was the only focus

It was THE relationship to focus on because it involved one of the main stars of the movie. Far be it to put more attention on Rogue and Bobby. Then again, if star power is what they want, why not focus on ROLO? THis way you'd have the benefit of a relationship between both top billed cast members, therefore higher movie audience and greater profit.

Cyke dies

Well that's one way to end a relationship. Especially since there's no other conceivable way to break it.

Movie flawed in so many other areas but those closed minded blinded by their love of the movie ppl keep thinking we are just angry for this reason.

It is not just Cyclops fans who are upset with Wolverine's exagerrated spotlight. Storm fans, Beast fans, Rogue fans, Iceman fans, Pyro fans, Gambit fans, all can and do relate. Basically any fans who feel their character was wrongfully displaced by Wolverine have a bone to pick. And nothing upsets them more than to hear "oh yeah? Well Wolverine is more interesting anyways!" since it's clear that ALL the characters have interesting stories to tell. Storm has a fascinating background, with dark sides involving her being a master thief, lockpick, and pickpocket which would have been neat to see portrayed. Their teacher opening a lock with a hairpin or taking the secret formula out of a victim's pocket would have been interesting.

And the the thing that helps fuel this hatred towards Wolverine are the Wolverine fans who do not know how to gracefully accept criticism but consider their character sacred and untouchable and then proceed to personally attack those who dare to criticize this character, only leading to further resentment. Cyclops fans I noticed have a substantial reason to be upset and use relevant facts to help explain their feelings. Wolverine fans from what I've seen use arguments such as "well he's better!" and "he's more interesting" to back up their opinions. In other words they back up their opinions with more opinions. They also can't accept defeat. Since it's clearly pointed out that Wolverine and Jean did not work out or rather didn't stand a chance, they become defensive and try to insist that at least it was possible. Possible is irrelevant. That's like saying I almost bought something or almost succeeded. In relationships and love, it isn't about who you almost chose or who you almost married, but rather who you choose to end up with at the end. And Jean chose Scott. Which means that the possibility of Jean and Logan are 0%. The only drawback is that since plotwise both characters are "dead" we won't get to see them enjoy it.

 

[gambitfire]

And is something wrong with being a fan of something that you're not necessarily a fan of, or liking something for a completely different reason that bothersome? Does the fact that people who have never read a comic book and know of the *eternal love* between Cyclops and Jean can still enjoy an X-Men movie...because they don't have 40 years of comic books in their head to feel like some horrible injustice has been done to them?

Yes soo much is wrong...with everything you just said as well as the injustice that occured. Of course you wouldn't care but is it so hard to believe others do. It's okay to be a new fan of something but with a certain amount of respect and understanding to where it came from and it's mythos, i always felt.

i won't go upto someone who's been there since the first starwars and me who just got into it because of say Episode II (im not really a fan just an example) and then argue with them over any obvious injustice that may have occured because hell i don't care i got the cheap thrill i wanted out of it.

But anyone who's a fan of movies can remember an actor's films other than the blockbuster one.

yes they can, and so can i. But im talking about the masses here.

And Van Helsing was bad movie--because there were too many special effects and no plot. However, the scene where he rips his shirt off to turn into a werewolf...that was appealing.

This explains soo much.

 

[gambitfire]

Basically any fans who feel their character was wrongfully displaced by Wolverine have a bone to pick. And nothing upsets them more than to hear "oh yeah? Well Wolverine is more interesting anyways!" since it's clear that ALL the characters have interesting stories to tell. Storm has a fascinating background, with dark sides involving her being a master thief, lockpick, and pickpocket which would have been neat to see portrayed. Their teacher opening a lock with a hairpin or taking the secret formula out of a victim's pocket would have been interesting.

And the the thing that helps fuel this hatred towards Wolverine are the Wolverine fans who do not know how to gracefully accept criticism but consider their character sacred and untouchable and then proceed to personally attack those who dare to criticize this character, only leading to further resentment. Cyclops fans I noticed have a substantial reason to be upset and use relevant facts to help explain their feelings. Wolverine fans from what I've seen use arguments such as "well he's better!" and "he's more interesting" to back up their opinions. In other words they back up their opinions with more opinions. They also can't accept defeat. Since it's clearly pointed out that Wolverine and Jean did not work out or rather didn't stand a chance, they become defensive and try to insist that at least it was possible. Possible is irrelevant. That's like saying I almost bought something or almost succeeded. In relationships and love, it isn't about who you almost chose or who you almost married, but rather who you choose to end up with at the end. And Jean chose Scott. Which means that the possibility of Jean and Logan are 0%. The only drawback is that since plotwise both characters are "dead" we won't get to see them enjoy it.

Bravo, i bow my head to you my good sir.

 

[Loganbabe]

And why is Wolverine better than them?

I never said Wolverine was better. I was answering to a poster who said Wolverine should be only a supporting character. And that´s saying that he´s less important to the team, when he´s on the same level as the so-called "original five" as are Storm and Nightcrawler.

So is getting stressed out knowing someone out there doesn't like your favorite character.

I love Wolverine, and if I didn´t feel like defending him when he´s bashed than I wouldn´t be much of a fan.
Now hating is another thing. I, for instance, dislike Gambit as a character, I see nothing interesting about the guy. But when there were millions of threads dedicated to Gambit here, like "Why no Gambit in X3" or "I want Gambit dammit" or whatever, I never once entered one of this threads to say "Oh shut up, Gambit is annoying anyway". It´s called respect. And it seems that it´s cool nowadays to disrespect Logan as a character - and his fans as well.

People don't hate Wolverine outright. I don't hate him. In fact I'm glad he's on our side. When the crap goes down it's nice to know he's there to help out.

Well, a lot of people seems to think it´s cool to hate him now. I don´t give a damn if people dislike him, it would be really boring if everybody loved the same characters. But people should at least respect the characters. That´s what I try to do, and god knows what I think about Cyke and Gambit. When you say, for example, that Wolverine is only an animal, or things like "munching a bear", or that he lusts after Jean like a horny dog, sorry, but I can´t see these kind of things as appreciation...

People hate the way he's overused and overexposed as the proverbial cash cow to guarranty that a movie will be profitable at the expense of the other characters.

Logan, since the first movie, was supposed to be the main character. The story is told from his point of view. Why? Ask Marvel, Fox, the writers, Bryan Singer, the fans, whatever. How people expect that he should be in the background in X3 is beyond me. Yes, I wanted more of the other characters too...believe me or not, I even wanted more Cyke. But Logan was chosen as the hero of this saga. Hating the character because of it makes no sense, and it also means hating all the 3 movies, not only the last one.

 

[ntcrawler]

And is something wrong with being a fan of something that you're not necessarily a fan of, or liking something for a completely different reason that bothersome?

No. But insulting the people who have a different view is bothersome. Calling them names instead of acknowledging their frustration and accepting criticism as well as accepting that your character and hero is not perfect would be much more graceful and mature.

Does the fact that people who have never read a comic book and know of the *eternal love* between Cyclops and Jean can still enjoy an X-Men movie...because they don't have 40 years of comic books in their head to feel like some horrible injustice has been done to them?

No, that's the fault of the writers for ignoring such a major factor that helps define the X-men and what they are in every other timeline, storyline, and universe.

And Van Helsing was bad movie--because there were too many special effects and no plot.

Gee, that sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?

However, the scene where he rips his shirt off to turn into a werewolf...that was appealing.

Personally I preferred the vampire chicks but that's just me

 

[danoyse]

And the the thing that helps fuel this hatred are the Wolverine fans who do not know how to gracefully accept criticism but consider their character sacred and untouchable and then proceed to personally attack those who dare to criticize this character, only leading to further resentment. Cyclops fans I noticed have a substantial reason to be upset and use relevant facts to help explain their feelings. Wolverine fans from what I've seen use arguments such as "well he's better!" and "he's more interesting" to back up their opinions. In other words they back up their opinions with more opinions. They also can't accept defeat. Since it's clearly pointed out that Wolverine and Jean did not work out or rather didn't stand a chance, they become defensive and try to insist that at least it was possible. Possible is irrelevant. That's like saying I almost bought something or almost succeeded. In relationships and love, it isn't about who you almost chose or who you almost married, but rather who you choose to end up with at the end. And Jean chose Scott. Which means that the possibility of Jean and Logan are 0%. The only drawback is that since plotwise both characters are "dead" we won't get to see them enjoy it.

Oh, that is such nonsense. Fans can't "gracefully accept criticism"?? Please.

Did you ever think that maybe they couldn't care less about Cyclops? Or that they're all just fictional characters, and everyone's allowed to have a favorite?

Not everyone reads the comic books. I hadn't before I saw the first movie, and neither did a lot of the movie audience. Of course, the character that's going to get the most attention for that audience and people who were already fans of the character is the one the story centered around--for reasons that have been explained countless times.

It's not because they don't like you, or think your particular favorite character sucks. They just like someone else. They're not trying to offend you personally.

And by the way...Jean totally had a thing for Logan in the movies.

 

[danoyse]

No. But insulting the people who have a different view is bothersome. Calling them names instead of acknowledging their frustration and accepting criticism as well as accepting that your character and hero is not perfect would be much more graceful and mature.

No one is calling you names!!!!

No, that's the fault of the writers for ignoring such a major factor that helps define the X-men and what they are in every other timeline, storyline, and universe.

Then go yell at them.

 

[ntcrawler]

I love Wolverine, and if I didn´t feel like defending him when he´s bashed than I wouldn´t be much of a fan.

You don't have as much to defend as the fans of other characters, since it's painfully obvious that out of the trilogy, Wolverine came out on top and gained the most.

It´s called respect. And it seems that it´s cool nowadays to disrespect Logan as a character - and his fans as well.

I have a bone to pick with the way Wolverine was portrayed on film. Not with the character himself, or with his fans. I don't discriminate like that. In fact, in the scheme of things I hate all stupid people equally, whoever they may be, whatever character may be their favorite.

And no, disliking Logan is not the fashionable thing to do. People don't appreciate the way Logan displaces everyone else.

what I try to do, and god knows what I think about Cyke and Gambit. When you say, for example, that Wolverine is only an animal,

no, I said he's driven by his animal instincts and has a tendency to let the animal inside him take over. Wolverine admits as much. Perhaps you should debate this with him.

or things like "munching a bear",

That is a fact and is portrayed directly in the comics. Cyclops sets off to look for Wolverine after kicking him out of the X-Men (for leaving Cyclops hanging literally and to die), he comes across Wolverine in the woods eating a bear he had just killed. Sorry Loganbabe, but there is no nice way to portray this. And no, he wasn't using silverware and bone china.

or that he lusts after Jean like a horny dog, sorry, but I can´t see these kind of things as appreciation...

Exactly. Because these aren't factors about him that I appreciate. These are the things I frown upon. It's the other things about him that I appreciate.

Logan, since the first movie, was supposed to be the main character. The story is told from his point of view. Why? Ask Marvel, Fox, the writers, Bryan Singer, the fans, whatever.

Exactly. Hence why a large group of people are upset. Especially since the balance keeps shifting in his favor until towards the end of X3 it's all about him. X-Men work like a team but only HE can save Jean. I think not!

How people expect that he should be in the background in X3 is beyond me.

Very simple. By acknowledging that only Scott has what it takes to truly reach out to Jean and bring her back to sanity, and be able to do it in a way that Logan never could. Not to mention that friends she's had for 15-20 years, like Hank who's like a brother to her and Ororo who's like a sister just might be able to connect with Jean better than Logan, who's by this point known her for 5-6 days. His instincts might be good, but not even uncanny intuition can take the place of years and years of knowledge and understanding.

Yes, I wanted more of the other characters too...believe me or not, I even wanted more Cyke. But Logan was chosen as the hero of this saga. Hating the character because of it makes no sense,

It's not hating the character, but the way his portrayal and screentime was overexagerrated and at the expense of everyone else.

and it also means hating all the 3 movies, not only the last one.

No, because there was a much better balance between chars in X1. In X2 it was UNDERSTOOD that Logan would play a central role since the main part of the story was about him, or at least things that directly involved him: his past and past accomplices. That part of the story was wrapped up rather nicely in X2 and we were moving into a storyline that was supposed to involve what happened to Jean, which therefore meant it would have a direct influence on what happened to Scott, not to mention the cure which would have a substantial impact on Rogue and Beast. How the writers managed to manipulate Wolverine to become a hero of a storyline that's not about him is difficult to understand. But turning Wolverine into a Cyclops, and giving him Cyclops' lines is inexcuseable.

 

[Loganbabe]

And by the way...Jean totally had a thing for Logan in the movies.

Oh...totally!
Have you read the X2 novelization, danoyse?

No one is calling you names!!!!

Didn´t get it, either.

 

[danoyse]

no, I said he's driven by his animal instincts and has a tendency to let the animal inside him take over. Wolverine admits as much. Perhaps you should debate this with him.

He's....not....real!

 

[gambitfire]

Oh, that is such nonsense. Fans can't "gracefully accept criticism"?? Please.

Did you ever think that maybe they couldn't care less about Cyclops? Or that they're all just fictional characters, and everyone's allowed to have a favorite?

OMG you just answered why ppl dislike Wolverine. way too go.

Not everyone reads the comic books. I hadn't before I saw the first movie, and neither did a lot of the movie audience. Of course, the character that's going to get the most attention for that audience and people who were already fans of the character is the one the story centered around--for reasons that have been explained countless times.

I know which is why i can't help it feel like we have a much bigger connection to this movie, so it's obvious we would be affected more by bad choices.

Duh! which is why we never wanted the focus to be on only one character.

It's not because they don't like you, or think your particular favorite character sucks. They just like someone else. They're not trying to offend you personally.

Yes but some ppl are make it seem like we are not allowed to dislike what they like AKA alot of Wolverine fans.

BTW i dunno if you knew this but the thread is called why all the hate for Wolverine so we are here and we are telling you why. WHY IS EVERYONE FINDING ALL THIS SO HARD TO BELIEVE!!!!

And by the way...Jean totally had a thing for Logan in the movies.

Yea, it was probably just gas since it died out by the end of X2.

 

[danoyse]

Oh...totally!
Have you read the X2 novelization, danoyse?

See? I knew I wasn't the only one who thought Jean dug Logan.

That's the only one I haven't read...I read X1, and I'm almost done with X3. I should pick up the X2 book and check it out.

Didn´t get it, either.

Honestly...do they think we all sit around in Wolverine fan clubs and think of ways to beat up Cyclops fans? Are we that empty inside??

 

[danoyse]

OMG you just answered why ppl dislike Wolverine. way too go.

Well, yay...congratulations for figuring that out.

I know which is why i can't help it feel like we have a much bigger connection to this movie, so it's obvious we would be affected more by bad choices.

And we weren't as connected. Think about how much fun we all had at the movie. Don't you feel bad you read all those comic books now?

Yes but some ppl are make it seem like we are not allowed to dislike what they like AKA alot of Wolverine fans.

You have my blessing to like whatever you want.

BTW i dunno if you knew this but the thread is called why all the hate for Wolverine so we are here and we are telling you why. WHY IS EVERYONE FINDING ALL THIS SO HARD TO BELIEVE!!!!

And first post on this thread was from a Wolverine fan who didn't understand what the problem was.

 

[gambitfire]

He's....not....real!

your side of the argument certaintly arn't handling it that way either.

Besides if you knew writing so well you would be familiar when a character can practically take on a life of it's own.

 

[ntcrawler]

And by the way...Jean totally had a thing for Logan in the movies.

Again it's the end result that counts. And in the end, she totally chose Scott. Accept the defeat gracefully, JELO fan, just like Logan himself did.

 

[ntcrawler]

He's....not....real!

Then why are you getting so upset? Why don't you just sit back and let everyone else show how immature they are by bashing a figment of a comic book writer's imagination?

 

[danoyse]

your side of the argument certaintly arn't handling it that way either.

Besides if you knew writing so well you would be familiar when a character can practically take on a life of it's own.

I know writing so well that I use capital letters and punctuation.

It's just a silly argument. I saw a movie, I enjoyed the character. He's the wallpaper on my cell phone. Why would I want to make the lives of the fans of other characters miserable?

Look, I understand...I've seen books and plays I love get butchered into movies. I can relate, I really can.

But I know I'm not facing eternal damnation because I enjoy a popular character in a movie series...and sorry, I'm not losing any sleep because the other character's fans feel wronged. I feel bad, but in the end...they're not real.

I was psyched to hear that James Marsden was cast in the "Hairspray" movie, because I loved the show and can't wait to hear him sing. I saw Hugh Jackman in "Scoop" tonight, and never thought of X-Men once. It's just life continuing on it's normal course...

 

[danoyse]

Then why are you getting so upset? Why don't you just sit back and let everyone else show how immature they are by bashing a figment of a comic book writer's imagination?

I'm not upset. I just think it's funny now.

 

[Loganbabe]

That's the only one I haven't read...I read X1, and I'm almost done with X3. I should pick up the X2 book and check it out.

Oh, you should!
Take a look at the quotes from the book I put on this thread...a very beautiful moment between Jean and Logan during the "kiss scene"!

Honestly...do they think we all sit around in Wolverine fan clubs and think of ways to beat up Cyclops fans? Are we that empty inside??

Yeah, we´re all part of this big conspiracy, didn´t you know?
Wolverine fans, Fox, Ratner, Hugh Jackman, Zak...we all have secret meetings with the only purpose of screwing Cyclops and his fans over...