Why the hate for Wolverine?

[gambitfire]

And is that the best you got? I saw him on Broadway--getting a standing ovation during the show. Much more impressive.

OMG can you stop flaunting that stupid standing ovation like it's a freakin Emmy! Of course he got it, IT'S HIS FREAKING CROWD!!

 

[danoyse]

Oh God why can't you understand english, I'm an asian but I think I understand much better than you.

I'll explain this again, this is a dummies tutorial. this is why the hate for Wolverine thread.

Here's the key word here..."Why". Created by a fan. There's nothing keeping the Wolverine fans out.

You also prove my point, Hugh Jackman is nothing without Wolverine. Van Helsing became a flop because of him. Thanks dude

You've still got to do better than that. Van Helsing was a flop because it was all special effects and no plot.

I've seen Hugh on stage--he was in a show that got terrible reviews, and made it a sold-out hit on Broadway for a year. They had to close it when he left because they couldn't replace him.

And he has 5 other movies coming out this year besides X3...and guess what? None of them are sequels to Van Helsing.

 

[danoyse]

OMG can you stop flaunting that stupid standing ovation like it's a freakin Emmy! Of course he got it, IT'S HIS FREAKING CROWD!!

He won an Emmy too.

Hey, it's only the truth.

 

[Hulkster]

Here's the key word here..."Why". Created by a fan. There's nothing keeping the Wolverine fans out.

You've still got to do better than that. Van Helsing was a flop because it was all special effects and no plot.

I've seen Hugh on stage--he was in a show that got terrible reviews, and made it a sold-out hit on Broadway for a year. They had to close it when he left because they couldn't replace him.

And he has 5 other movies coming out this year besides X3...and guess what? None of them are sequels to Van Helsing.

I'm sad that you are having a hard time understanding your own language.

Yeah you're right, why do another sequel if you destroyed the first one.

 

[gambitfire]

Uh, yeah...it does.

But we knew nothing of Wolverine or any of them for that matter hell if anything then Magneto should of been the main focus villain or not since we knew his beginnings.

A lot more than we did about Cyclops. We even saw his skeleton and got a rather gruesome description of how he got his claws. Oh, and that he had no memory.

Once more proving that there wasn't enough Cyclops to get attached too .

Do you really think everyone who goes to a movie reads up on all that?

2 words- Poster Bio's

Clearly, you've never seen them in concert.

That is wrong on so many levels. Got it handicapp ppl aren't interesting to you.

 

[danoyse]

I'm sad that you are having a hard time understanding your own language.

Yeah you're right, why do another sequel if you destroyed the first one.

Wow, you're really reaching now.

 

[danoyse]

That is wrong on so many levels. Got it handicapp ppl aren't interesting to you.

I was talking about NSync in concert. Why would I insult handicapped people?

 

[ntcrawler]

Again...to YOU. You know the comics more than the average moviegoer. Of course you're going to see it that way. But how is the average moviegoer (of which there are plenty) somehow supposed to know that Cyclops was suddenly robbed of screentime?

Well duh, not only does he suddenly disappear within the first 10 minutes of the film and for no reason, but Wolverine starts acting and talking like him. If you see the first two movies, this little nuance won't be that hard to catch.

I know plenty of people who saw X3 and didn't complain about any of these things. In fact, Wolverine got the biggest laugh in the movie all 4 times I saw it.

Professor Logan, the art teacher?

Do you really think everyone who goes to a movie reads up on all that?

They did for LOTR, why shouldn't they do the same for the X-Men? It has a history and background that's about as rich.

I saw Star Wars in the theater when I was 3 and understood more about Luke Skywalker than I did about Cyclops when I was 26 and saw X-Men for the first time.

Obviously there's more to Cyclops than Luke.


That's because they were singing. On the radio. (Milsap too? I'm not familiar with that one?)

Ronnie Milsap, country music star. Also blind and always bespeckled. And not quite. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles did alot of performances in public, on television, and in movies. You couldn't see their eyes either, but you had no trouble connecting with their smiles and their souls. It's not impossible.

Yes, I got the whole handicap thing. And the visor was cool. But...it does take something away from the performance.

It does, yeah, but that shouldn't be held against the character. Remember Geordi LaForge from Star Trek: TNG? You couldn't see his eyes either, but you could still see his charm shining through. Unless the audience really is that shallow and won't even consider looking a little deeper inside the character's surface.

And that's the 'everyone I know' theory...which is an inexact science for all of us (even I used it up above there)

I didn't say "everyone I know", I said that there are people we both know who stand on both sides of the fence. And it's not like I'm purposely seeking out people who only agree with my views.

Clearly, you've never seen them in concert.

Even more reason to assume it's one of Kitty's CD's!

 

[gambitfire]

I was talking about NSync in concert. Why would I insult handicapped people?

sorry i missed that.

But you did say something about blind ppl. My Internet is going slow for some rare reason so i don't feel like going back too look.

 

[Hulkster]

Wow, you're really reaching now.

 

[My Red Sight]

The one moment of X3 that I liked of Logan was on Alcatraz, when he was fighting the limb growing person. The look on his face was so priceless. And then he goes and says something like "Way to go, Furball." At that line I cringe.

 

[gambitfire]

AHHH this is really frustrating this never happens i can't deal with slow internet. GOODNIGHT EVERYONE!

 

[Hulkster]

Yes it's very slow for me too. I think there are many unregistered people who are viewing this thread.

 

[Loganbabe]

A Wolverine movie?

Which all Wolvie haters will watch, then run to the SHH Wolvie thread complaining that there was "too much Wolverine in that 'Wolverine' movie!"

Good question. No doubt they would grin and bare it and move on because it's just a silly movie and story

If I thought the movie was terrible, or that my favorite character sucked in it, I would certainly move on. I´m only hanging around because I really liked X3. There are other things in the world that I love and that give me pleasure, so I would occupy myself with them. I try not to be a masochist about my tastes.

 

[ntcrawler]

Which all Wolvie haters will watch, then run to the SHH Wolvie thread complaining that there was "too much Wolverine in that 'Wolverine' movie!"

Haha, from the way you make it sound there can never be too much Wolverine. I however don't intend to do either. I won't complain about the film, or see it because I'm simply not interested in another Wolverine film.

If I thought the movie was terrible, or that my favorite character sucked in it, I would certainly move on.

Sure you would. Your blood pressure shoots through the roof if anyone says something indigntant about Wolverine. If you saw him portrayed wrong or treated badly, I'm willing to bet you'd be one of the loudest people here.

I try not to be a masochist about my tastes.

And what's that supposed to mean? I too only enjoy things that make me feel good and happy.

 

[Loganbabe]

Sure you would. Your blood pressure shoots through the roof if anyone says something indigntant about Wolverine. If you saw him portrayed wrong or treated badly, I'm willing to bet you'd be one of the loudest people here.

Again worried about my blood pressure? Are you a doctor?
I´ve seen Wolverine portrayed wrong or treated badly more times than you can imagine. Always in the comics, never in the movies. When I saw the stupid way he was being written in New Avengers, I just stopped reading it. Never bothered to go to the thread, either. Really, I have better things to do, so I stick with the the good Wolverine portrays in comics, fiction and the movies.

And what's that supposed to mean? I too only enjoy things that make me feel good and happy.

When you come to a X3 message board only to complain endelessly about how much you hated X3, how much you hated Wolverine in it, how much you hated Cyke´s fate in it, well, it seems you enjoy too much talking about things that make you feel bad. But, eh...if you get your kicks out of it, that´s great!

 

[ntcrawler]

Again worried about my blood pressure? Are you a doctor?

... Yes!

When you come to a X3 message board only to complain endelessly about how much you hated X3, how much you hated Wolverine in it, how much you hated Cyke´s fate in it, well, it seems you enjoy too much talking about things that make you feel bad. But, eh...if you get your kicks out of it, that´s great!

This is one of the reasons why boards and communities like this exist. I've been doing maling lists of this sort for other genre's since 1993. It's called therapy. Being able to talk to other like-minded people and to know you're not the only one who feels hurt, and to be able to understand why things happened the way they did, and find possible ways to fix it, is a big plus. X3 pushed me past my breaking point. I couldn't accept what they did with the movie and how thinsg were portrayed. As a writer myself and with the work I do with my group for our stage productions and competitions, I can appreciate good drama and storytelling and I feel that X3 was neither. Certainly nothing close to what it could have been, certainly not the best of the trilogy that all the hype and advertising promised it would be.

Like other people, this was the last straw and I want to do whatever it takes so that never again will our favorite characters be butchered the way they were.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

actually ntcrawler, has a point... but you complain n argue to much ( at least in the tone of the wrriting )

 

[My Red Sight]

I disagree with ntcrawler, but meh. These boards are all about oppinions and everyone can express what they want and how they feel.

 

[Loganbabe]

... Yes!

Well, don´t worry, doc, my blood pressure is just perfect, I don´t smoke and I try to practice exercises every day!

This is one of the reasons why boards and communities like this exist. I've been doing maling lists of this sort for other genre's since 1993. It's called therapy. Being able to talk to other like-minded people and to know you're not the only one who feels hurt, and to be able to understand why things happened the way they did, and find possible ways to fix it, is a big plus. X3 pushed me past my breaking point.

I´ve always searched boards to talk about things I like. I understand that arguments can happen (because even people who like the same thing - as the X-Men, or The Beatles, or Tarantino - have different opinions about it), but after that you move on and start talking about the things you enjoy, things that brought you to the board in the first place. When you search a certain movie (or artist, band, writer, whatever) community only to talk about things you disliked in it...sorry, but it´s a bit weird to me. I´m saying this because I don´t remember seeing you posting before X3 opened, so it seems you only came here to talk about how much you hated the movie. I think it´s better to move on, because it just doesn´t seem healthy to me. But hey, you´re the doctor around here, so you must know...

 

[ntcrawler]

I´m saying this because I don´t remember seeing you posting before X3 opened, so it seems you only came here to talk about how much you hated the movie.

That's because it was X3 that made me come here, as well as to the other related discussion forums, and I do regret not being able to be a part of these boards before X3 came out, when people were still basking in the days of enjoying X2 and looking hopefully towards a good X3, especially considering how promising things looked from all the promotional material, the set reports, etc. I really do regret it. I really do feel like I missed out on alot. Especially now when we're given a message by FOX that what we got is all there is and that there won't be anymore (which in my opinion is total BS and another lie).
And looking back at a year's worth of messages it was quite a shock to people when the final product did come out and when they realized how much they mislead. Like those pictures of Cyclops and Angel in uniform only to find out they had little or no role in the final outcome of the film.
I avoided all the spy reports and pre-release rumors and I had only the smallest of hints as to what the movie would be like. When I finally saw it, I was literally shocked and in total disbelief. What I saw felt very "wrong" to me, and it was good to understand why things happened the way they did by discussing the matter on these and other forums. I definitely don't accept the reasons why they happened or what the final product was, but there is some peace in being able to understand what was going on behind the scenes. But closure will only come when the damage can be reversed, and fewrites and fanfics will help do that.

But hey, you´re the doctor around here, so you must know...

After watching the Last Stand, you should appreciate the dangers that can result from caging up frustrations and anger deep inside for too long.

 

[Celestial]

i kinda wonder what would have happened if jackman had been cyke and james had been wolverine wonder if the tables would have turned?

It's an intriguing thought. There's an interview where Jackman says it was suggested that he try out for Cyclops when it looked like he wasn't going to get Wolverine. So how would it have worked with Jackman as Cyclops and Dougray Scott as Wolverine?

Jackman could have pulled off the tall, dark with visor look. He's physically imposing even when not bulked up as Wolverine. For immediate visual impact, he'd make a more impressive leader than Marsden. In close-up, it's less clearcut. Would he have been able to portray the character well without the use of eyes and eyebrows? Maybe, but with the smaller role and the glasses, Jackman would have made less of an impression than he did as Wolverine.

I find it harder to imagine Dougray Scott as Wolverine. He's ok, but he's not as impressive or attractive as Jackman so I think his portrayal of Wolverine would have been far less popular.

Overall, I think we'd have had a more balanced lineup with a stronger Cyclops and a weaker Wolverine. More of an ensemble.

[I like Marsden and when I watched the cartoons, Cyclops was my favourtie. But for me, Jackman has that "wow!" factor. It's the combination of looks, talent and sex appeal.]

 

[x-fan]

I wonder what would of happened if the shoe was on the other foot.

If Wolverine was taken out of X3 and Cyclops would take over. I mean it would never happen but could you imagine the mass hysteria?

Would Wolverine fans slip irrational comments now and then trying to express their disappointment and frustration or are they as perfect as their character?

i wouldnt , it shoud have been his movie not wolvies , but again it is a what if cyke had died and wolvie saved jean movie to me

and she was seeing other people i know one of them had asked her to marry him *shrug* ...this is in response to your question on page 16

 

[Celestial]

I'm trying to put myself into the position of fans of Cyclops and/or Marsden.

If Wolverine was taken out of X3 that would have been fine, so long as it was left open enough that he could have his spinoff. If he'd had one scene and then headed off into the unknown, fine. If he'd been killed, I'd have been cross. If he'd hung around as a supporting player, I'd be frustrated - I'd keep waiting for him to do something.

As a fan of Jackman, I wouldn't mind him having a small role, so long as it didn't take long to film leaving him free to work on something else.

 

[x-fan]

I'm sad that you are having a hard time understanding your own language.

Yeah you're right, why do another sequel if you destroyed the first one.

hulkster he didnt ruin the movie all the reviews praise his performance and say that the movie sucked inspite of his outstanding performance, i have never read a review that was negetive toward hugh. some of his movies but he is the only thing good in those according to the critics