Will we see a Venom that sucks?

[Abaddon]

well you did say you liked it. I feel the same way though. I figured we were getting some kind of Ultimate Brock with Topher. I never thought in a million years he would look like Brock. He does though. I'm really surprised.

I don't remember saying I liked it.

 

[Symbiotica]

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[Abaddon]

If you're not cheering the concept, then I don't understand your point in tackling me on the subject of my opinion, which you seem to regard as unacceptable. What is your thesis?

I think that MovieBrock will be as close to his comic counterpart as MovieMJ.The lack of resemblance(aside from the blonde hair) helps in accepting that he'll be a different version of the character.My preference is,and always will be,for the comic version but that isn't going to fly.Raimi mentioned some time ago that he didn't care for the character,so its not a big surprise that he would change him into something he could work with,rather than introduce a character he has no respect for.Your opinion,and feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken,is that Topher looks nothing Brock,and probably won't make a good villain because he's not physically intimidating.This is still based on the notion that Raimi is basing the character(which aside from JJ,and Norman is all he ever does) on 616comic Brock,and he isn't.I don't think Topher's ever played a villain,so it's not really fair to say he isn't capable,even if it won't be the kind of villain we want(comic Brock).No one has to like it.You can continue holding on to your opinion,and I'll do the same.Thats all.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't remember saying I liked it.

whoops my bad. I got ya confused for animejune.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I think that MovieBrock will be as close to his comic counterpart as MovieMJ.The lack of resemblance(aside from the blonde hair) helps in accepting that he'll be a different version of the character.My preference is,and always will be,for the comic version but that isn't going to fly.Raimi mentioned some time ago that he didn't care for the character,so its not a big surprise that he would change him into something he could work with,rather than introduce a character he has no respect for.Your opinion,and feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken,is that Topher looks nothing Brock,and probably won't make a good villain because he's not physically intimidating.This is still based on the notion that Raimi is basing the character(which aside from JJ,and Norman is all he ever does) on 616comic Brock,and he isn't.I don't think Topher's ever played a villain,so it's not really fair to say he isn't capable,even if it won't be the kind of villain we want(comic Brock).No one has to like it.You can continue holding on to your opinion,and I'll do the same.Thats all.

It's hard for a director to get the creative juices and get all excited and into it, if he doesn't like a character, so I think he'd have to change it for the sake of the movie.

However I think he is going for 616 brock. But I see your point. It's like saying somebody can't draw good or sing good before you even heard them sing.

 

[Abaddon]

It's hard for a director to get the creative juices and get all excited and into it, if he doesn't like a character, so I think he'd have to change it for the sake of the movie.

However I think he is going for 616 brock. But I see your point. It's like saying somebody can't draw good or sing good before you even heard them sing.

I think the studio is pretty much forcing Venom on him,so of course he's goiing to make changes to suit his taste.Otherwise he might give us some crappy half-assed villain with no motivation,if not out of spite than out of lack of interest.It's a slightly better alternative to that,if Topher pulls out a good performance.It bothered me much more at first,but now I've put some faith back into the film.


I don't know what kind of Brock he's going for.I doubt he's married.He definitely isn't obsessed with working out.But I'm sure he'll hate Spider-Man.So the motivation is the same but the look,and circumstances are completely different.

 

[Hunter Rider]

It seems they are going for USM Eddie no ?
As for initimidation,we have to wait to see him onscreen first,i'm a big guy,616 Eddie size but if you met me i am far from intimidating but i know much smaller guys who are,it's all in how someone carries themselves dictates whether they are intimidating or not

 

[AnimeJune]

While I have read some Spider-Man comics - what does 616 Spider-Man mean? What does that number refer to?

 

[CrashNburn]

It seems they are going for USM Eddie no ?
As for initimidation,we have to wait to see him onscreen first,i'm a big guy,616 Eddie size but if you met me i am far from intimidating but i know much smaller guys who are,it's all in how someone carries themselves dictates whether they are intimidating or not

i definitely think that they are going with a usm eddie but i dont think we'll be seeing venom in this one.

 

[TheCardPlayer]

USM Eddie never was a reporter. Movie Brock obviously is.



And....For some reason...I am convinced that Venom won't be in the film...just Brock.

 

[AnimeJune]

USM Eddie never was a reporter. Movie Brock obviously is.



And....For some reason...I am convinced that Venom won't be in the film...just Brock.

I'm pretty sure Venom will not be a key player in the third film - but that he will join with Brock at the very end in preparation for the fourth film. Thomas Haden Church has stated that Topher's character doesn't become a villain until the end, so the third movie will be about the symbiote, and the fourth will be about Venom.

 

[Robotchicken]

they wont screw him up, now will everyone **** about this already??
EDIT: also topher is perfect for the role, the on set pix are great, reminds me of eddie all the way!

 

[Screenscribe]

you have to remember... Venom is a wasted character to begin with. He is a dinosaur product of the 90's. There is no longer any motivation to him so yes. He Does suck. He is not a threat to Spider-Man any longer. He has to be changed in the movie to make it a believeable threat. I have a gut feeling that the studio is putting presure on Raimi and CO. to put Venom in because too many fanboys are like "Venom and Carnage are cool". Then they are the first ones to then chime in saying "boy this sucks". Take X-men for example. everyone was dying for the Sentinals. RAtner put one in and suddenly it was "that sucked... they looked wrong... too small..." blah, blah, blah.

 

[Reikowolf]

While I have read some Spider-Man comics - what does 616 Spider-Man mean? What does that number refer to?

Marvel comics have segregated themselves from a main plot line several times over the last forever.. therefore they designated a multiverse theory in which the current (present) marvel timeline is one of several parallel universes

The watchers (guess what they do ) designated the present timeline as universe 616.

every past story /future story/ alternate story that doesn't match up with Marvel's current mythos; is designated a universe (marvel 1600, Ultimate,marvel zombies, M2, and even the movies) are different universes which sometimes even crossover (example: Ultimate Fantastic 4 meeting the marvel zombies)

*edit: best example of this is Earth X.. which everyone should read

 

[Spider-Bite]

It seems they are going for USM Eddie no ?
As for initimidation,we have to wait to see him onscreen first,i'm a big guy,616 Eddie size but if you met me i am far from intimidating but i know much smaller guys who are,it's all in how someone carries themselves dictates whether they are intimidating or not

that's a good point that I was trying to make to Symbiotica before. Big isn't autmatically intimidating. It's persona, not physique.

 

[AnimeJune]

that's a good point that I was trying to make to Symbiotica before. Big isn't autmatically intimidating. It's persona, not physique.

Which is what I think explains the casting of Topher Grace. Even I'll admit he's not the initially obvious choice - but the handful of movies he's made have all be grounded with solid acting. He was not chosen for physique - physique can always be changed. He was chosen for his acting skills.

I think he looks awesome. Feel free to disagree, but I'm excited for the movie. Being excited for the 11 months to come sure beats dreading the 11 months to come.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm pretty sure Venom will not be a key player in the third film - but that he will join with Brock at the very end in preparation for the fourth film. Thomas Haden Church has stated that Topher's character doesn't become a villain until the end, so the third movie will be about the symbiote, and the fourth will be about Venom.

That is how I see it happening at this point also. However, I am not going to be convinced that Topher is right for the role until he proves me wrong. From his look and his track record, I can't see him doing much of that.

Oh, and to whoever says "shut up, he never had a role like this. He is an actor, and actors act." Well to that I say their are such things as actors not right for a role. Just look at Arnie in Batman & Robin. Arnold never did a role like Freeze, but I could have told you long before that he was wrong for it.

 

[xwolverine2]

why would we see a venom that sucks?

 

[CrashNburn]

you have to remember... Venom is a wasted character to begin with. He is a dinosaur product of the 90's. There is no longer any motivation to him so yes. He Does suck. He is not a threat to Spider-Man any longer. He has to be changed in the movie to make it a believeable threat. I have a gut feeling that the studio is putting presure on Raimi and CO. to put Venom in because too many fanboys are like "Venom and Carnage are cool". Then they are the first ones to then chime in saying "boy this sucks". Take X-men for example. everyone was dying for the Sentinals. RAtner put one in and suddenly it was "that sucked... they looked wrong... too small..." blah, blah, blah.

i dont mean for this to be an attack but the sentinals were in the movie for two seconds and it was more like the sentinal head. the movie sucked for other obvious reasons but that is for another forum. besides, you must be the three percent that think venom sucks. i believe they could make him into a great movie interpretation. i have plenty of faith in raimi's ability.

 

[FaT_tONle]

SM4 will be all Lizard... maybe another sidevillain... I think Venom and symbiate nonsense is done after a while after SM3

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am sorry, but if Spidey faces Venom and the Sandman, from a special effects perspective, the Lizard would look like they downgraded.

I think/hope they will hold off on Venom for SM4.

 

[Reikowolf]

will people stop refering to Venom as a 90's character

80's people
80's!

carnage was 90's

to be fair however.. it was in the early to mid 90's that his character became over saturated in everything Marvel... so that's probably the misconception.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I am sorry, but if Spidey faces Venom and the Sandman, from a special effects perspective, the Lizard would look like they downgraded.

I think/hope they will hold off on Venom for SM4.

What else can they do... how long are they going to drag these same relationships on... that's why they are trying to end it all right here... then start fresh for the next three... how long will they drag this sh:t... Topher becomes Venom... then what... wait another 3 years for the conclusion??? I argued this a lot yesterday but no one wants to wait that long... I'm sorry people... but you can't get around rushing Venom in this film... oh crap... I didn't realize it was you again... **** it... I am not arguing with you again today... we just a to disagree on this one and hope for the best...

 

[Spider-Fan]

OK, if they set up Venom:

1- I think the cast would all be coming back (except Dunst)

2- No three year wait. Sony isn't that stupid.

You can easily get out of rushing Venom. You just want to see him rushed. You'll never say it, but you want him now. He can be done much better later, but it has to be now.

I disagree. Patience is a virtue, and good things come to those who wait.

 

[xwolverine2]

they should film SM3 & 4 together like POTC....

it would give me hope...