Comics Will you buy two issues of Spider-Girl in protest? (or support of Spider-Girl)

[moraldeficiency]

Since iloveclones posted this...



...to which this guy then posted this...

Since you decided to go with the always classy confused smiley faces I'll restate why this confuses some of us Spider-Man readers that expect not to get kicked in the nuts on a regular basis and then get asked to pay for the privledge:

"I get that you love the new ASM direction but you also need to understand that for a reasonable amount of loyal spiderfans everything from Sins Past to BND has been like watching a beloved sibling get a sex change operation against their will by the devil. And every supporter of BND means that the rest of us have to wait that much longer before marvel self corrects."

I hope that clears up the confusion as to why to some of us liking both ASM and ASG at this point in time is a little offputting.

 

[Themanofbat]

"I get that you love the new ASM direction but you also need to understand that for a reasonable amount of loyal spiderfans everything from Sins Past to BND has been like watching a beloved sibling get a sex change operation against their will by the devil. And every supporter of BND means that the rest of us have to wait that much longer before marvel self corrects."

And truly, I understand your sentiment exactly... and truth be told, there have been many more periods where I myself have been watching said sex change on numerous occasions in the past... OMD, irresponsible deals with Venom, the completely unecessary ressurection of Norman Osborn, the "relaunch", the unecessary dragging of the Clone Saga, Sins Remembered, a lot of "bad" 4 part arcs in the 90's, etc...

I threw OMD in there because it was pure sh%$#$t in my opinion, BUT... having said that, we have this alledged new status quo, and whether I like it or not remains to be seen, but what I have gotten thus far in 3 weeks is one of the most fun and pure Spidey styled stories I've read in a long time... and yes, they could have told this story with a married Spider-Man, but the fact remains that Marvel wanted their flagship character "unmarried", and if they can produce these kinds of stories all the while explaining certain "inconsistencies" that came with this new status quo, then I, for one, will be very pleased.

 

[moraldeficiency]

And truly, I understand your sentiment exactly... and truth be told, there have been many more periods where I myself have been watching said sex change on numerous occasions in the past... OMD, irresponsible deals with Venom, the completely unecessary ressurection of Norman Osborn, the "relaunch", the unecessary dragging of the Clone Saga, Sins Remembered, a lot of "bad" 4 part arcs in the 90's, etc...

I threw OMD in there because it was pure sh%$#$t in my opinion, BUT... having said that, we have this alledged new status quo, and whether I like it or not remains to be seen, but what I have gotten thus far in 3 weeks in one of the most fun and pure Spidey styled stories I've read in a long time... and yes, they could have told this story with a married Spider-Man, but the fact remains that Marvel wanted their flagship character "unmarried", and if they can produce these kinds of stories all the while explaining certain "inconsistencies" that came with this bew status quo, then I, for one, will be very pleased.

fair enough. and I'll admit it's hard not to pick up a slott/mcniven ASM, until I remember OMD and throw up in my mouth a little.

However looking at some of the other upcoming arcs (wolverine team up = craptacular) and menance (aka hobgoblin or at least that's what they called him when they wrote that same story in the 70s) and the ever enigmatic Jackpot (I'm loving that Pete can once again beat his wife) I'm just not sure this level of story telling can be kept up. Slott can do some great work (though slow) but when they keep this rotation going I just don't see this producing good long running storylines.

 

[iloveclones]

I hope that clears up the confusion as to why to some of us liking both ASM and ASG at this point in time is a little offputting.

It should never be off-putting if a person likes a comic that you do. Never. Just consider it money wasted by the other person.

And no-one is questioning people's hatred of OMD (well, personally I do think it's a little silly, but you pay the ticket, you get to boo the team.) But I think linking these two titles this way is exactly what you shouldn't do. Spider-Girl should, and does, sell on it's own merits. Otherwise, your doing a gimmick no better than "Death of a Character" or "Marvel Universe Changing Event."

 

[moraldeficiency]

It should never be off-putting if a person likes a comic that you do. Never. Just consider it money wasted by the other person.

And no-one is questioning people's hatred of OMD (well, personally I do think it's a little silly, but you pay the ticket, you get to boo the team.) But I think linking these two titles this way is exactly what you shouldn't do. Spider-Girl should, and does, sell on it's own merits. Otherwise, your doing a gimmick no better than "Death of a Character" or "Marvel Universe Changing Event."

I would except that by your purchase you make marvel wait that much longer before they decide to scrap this SOS direction. Try and see this from the other persepective and you'll understand. I get that you like these stories, that's cool, but you should understand that by "crossing the picket line" if you will you're funding the evil machine and saying hey it's cool for you to dick me around I'll buy your product no matter how you treat the character or my intelligence and that's gonna cause a few angry emoticons from people.

Anyone liking BND/SOS has to have the logic that OMD and BND are not linked or thought about. If you do, you see how marvel decided to do something (something I should point out I'm not necessarily opposed to if done correctly with respect shown towards your readers/customers) completely out of character for an icon I've looked up to for most of my life and even done this without explanation (I don't think anyone really knows what's happened) and in a fashion that's just sloppy and insulting.

Having said this I would not be boycotting if they decided to get rid of the marriage in another fashion. Hell they could kill off Mary Jane if they wanted and I would have been ok with it if done well. But to take a very old woman WHO WANTED TO DIE and FORCE her to live at the expense of the love of your life and to do this by making a deal with the devil? Sorry, I'm not cool with that.

 

[iloveclones]

MD, stop mangling what I've said. I was never arguing the merits of OMD. I have a problem with you linking it to SG. If you want to go on and on about how much you dislike OMD, and by extension BND, and by extension Spider-Man, and Marvel is the devil, blah, blah, blah: well, there are plenty of threads. But why link it to SG? This is what I've been talking about the entire time, and your entire response is to ***** some more about OMD/BND. So maybe you could answer my question. Why can I not enjoy both?

 

[moraldeficiency]

MD, stop mangling what I've said. I was never arguing the merits of OMD. I have a problem with you linking it to SG. If you want to go on and on about how much you dislike OMD, and by extension BND, and by extension Spider-Man, and Marvel is the devil, blah, blah, blah: well, there are plenty of threads. But why link it to SG? This is what I've been talking about the entire time, and your entire response is to ***** some more about OMD/BND. So maybe you could answer my question. Why can I not enjoy both?

I try not to mangle much, but if you can't see how support of one is, in a way, a contrary purchase to the other, then I just can't explain it any clearer. I love marvel. I'm not boycotting marvel (Iron Fist, Daredevil, AtI, Captian America, Spider-Girl, Thor and the new incredible are all great books that I read) just the spider-titles that make me (and most other passionate spider-fans) feel like they've been paying to get kicked in the balls. It's how I feel, and I have every right to express that. You don't like it? Sorry, but TS.

You can enjoy whatever you like, kiddo, not saying you can't. Just being vocal and passionate about what I believe in. I haven't told you what to do or feel, I know you're gonna loyally buy spider-man regardless of story quality or how they treat you the reader, but there is the chance that someone on the fence is reading this and if I can get them to drop Spider-Man and pick up ASG then I feel I've done something for the cause.

Enjoy whatever you want. Get your rocks off being whipped by some leather clad dom in a basement if that's your thing, I'm not calling you out on your preferences, but you have to see how sales of these two books are going to be an indicator to Marvel as to how lazily they can get away with a drastic character change without losing fan support. I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying that to some of us it's odd. If you don't understand still, then that's just gonna have to be one of those unsolved mysteries for you. (though I think you do understand my point, but because you don't agree you're feigning ignorance just to be argumentative.)

 

[iloveclones]

And you tell me to calm down...

 

[Themanofbat]

And you tell me to calm down...

t: t: t:

 

[moraldeficiency]

did that seem angry or overly rabid in someway? Sorry if it did, I was just trying to explain a personal opinion that you could not seem to understand. I didn't even use an exclaimation mark in that entire post so I'm not quite sure where you're coming from. Nice way to respond without actually responding though.

 

[iloveclones]

No problem.

 

[Captivated]

No worries MD, you made several good points... that I GOT back around post #4. t:

 

[iloveclones]

So explain it Captivated. Why should I not buy Spider-Girl? If you can satisfactorily explain it, I will gladly drop it today.

 

[moraldeficiency]

No worries MD, you made several good points... that I GOT back around post #4. t:

I'm glad someone did. Notice how pro-BND people (scabs as I call them) love to whine about how some people don't like BND and won't shut up about it, but then turn around and go into an anti-BND board and @itch?

Whatever you do don't try and explain anything to clones, it's a trap there's no way out of. It's like talking to that kid that's asks why at the end of everything.

 

[iloveclones]

You know MD, you've done everything to avoid the one simple question I've given you. The whole point of why I got into this (and I freely admit I was teasing a little) was to say that I buy both. And you've never answered that simple question. Because it's ridiculous. You can try to be as demeaning and dismissive as you like. And all you do is highlight the fact that you can't answer one simple question (Captivated's entry into the whole debate is just another showing about how people who profess to love this moral and upright character will do any classless thing to make their point.)

So you win. I guess I'll drop Spider-Girl, and you can consider the debate won.

 

[moraldeficiency]

You know MD, you've done everything to avoid the one simple question I've given you. The whole point of why I got into this (and I freely admit I was teasing a little) was to say that I buy both. And you've never answered that simple question. Because it's ridiculous. You can try to be as demeaning and dismissive as you like. And all you do is highlight the fact that you can't answer one simple question (Captivated's entry into the whole debate is just another showing about how people who profess to love this moral and upright character will do any classless thing to make their point.)

So you win. I guess I'll drop Spider-Girl, and you can consider the debate won.

I answered it like eight times now. I'm not ducking, you just don't agree. That's fine, I never said you have to agree, I just explained my postition. You take the other side of it. Super. Why is that so hard?

I'm not demeaning you, or being dismissive, I honestly tried to explain my position to you and you've only tried to goad. Can't you just say, "I disagree?"

See you're the one name calling (captivated I think you're a class act). Well if you say I won then I guess I won. Go me. But you're still lying, you're not going to drop ASG it's far too good and anyone willing to ride the ASM train still isn't gonna be detered by some random guy posting why they feel you're a hypocrite. Didn't you already explain how you didn't care about my opinion? I must have become much more important in your life between then and now.

 

[Captivated]

So explain it Captivated. Why should I not buy Spider-Girl? If you can satisfactorily explain it, I will gladly drop it today.

The point was never about you dropping Spider-Girl.

The point was that Spider-Girl is apparently a well written book, that respects fans and doesn't insult them with pointless tie-ins and magical resets that eliminate great chunks of loved history while writing the hero out-of-character and putting him in league with SATAN.

And it's frustrating to see people who obviously love the character, put up with such a HACK job and actually support it.

In that way, buying BOTH titles can be considered a sad contradiction.

As MoralD said, "every supporter of BND means that the rest of us have to wait that much longer before Marvel self corrects."

No one ever suggested that you should not buy SG.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

ilc: the suggestion is for you to drop Spider-MAN (The one that insults the readers intelligence, destroyed continuity and allows the devil to reset anything Joey dislikes...)not Spider-Girl (The one that is respectuful to its fans)... well that's what I got from md's posts...

 

[shinlyle]

Well, I've been reading Spider-Girl for a few years, now, and I've no intention of stopping. Still, I'm not so "well-off" that I can afford to buy two copies of a book I really like just to try and prove a point to Marvel, who will not see it that way. They'll see it as "Brand New Day" was so awesome that it even boosted the sales of Spider-Girl, which has struggled in the past". That's exactly how they'll take it.

Nope. I'm not buying ASM, and I'll just keep buying Invincible to prove my point...that book is mor like old School Spidey than any Spider-Comic has been lately.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I just got into Spider-girl. I can't believe that I missed out on this title when it first came out. It's honestly one of the best Spider-comics I read in a long long time. It's a shame cause it's starting to feel like the title is 616 while ASM is an alternate reality.

Whatever...the title is one of my favorites on the market now.

 

[Electro UK]

Rather amusing comment on Spider-fan's MA: SM 34 review...

Here we have yet another light-hearted fun episode in the life of this version of Peter Parker and the friends and foes that make up his life. My advice to all Spider-fans that are upset over what is going on in Amazing Spider-Man is that they should get their monthly fix by reading this title and {The Amazing Spider-Girl (another fine Spider-title that features the one, true Spider-Man within its pages).

 

[YJ1]

Try and see this from the other persepective and you'll understand. I get that you like these stories, that's cool, but you should understand that by "crossing the picket line" if you will you're funding the evil machine and saying hey it's cool for you to dick me around I'll buy your product no matter how you treat the character or my intelligence and that's gonna cause a few angry emoticons from people.

Having said this I would not be boycotting if they decided to get rid of the marriage in another fashion. Hell they could kill off Mary Jane if they wanted and I would have been ok with it if done well. But to take a very old woman WHO WANTED TO DIE and FORCE her to live at the expense of the love of your life and to do this by making a deal with the devil? Sorry, I'm not cool with that.

I agree completely and I'm on board for this Spider-Girl purchase idea. I think I'm just the type of reader you're looking for. I've never read a Spider-Girl comic in my life. I have read everything Spider-Man (non-Ultimate version) for many years but I've dropped the book because of my disgust over BND. What issue number of Spider-Girl are we talking about? The current issue or the next shipping number? I'll buy a few copies just for the hell of it.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I agree completely and I'm on board for this Spider-Girl purchase idea. I think I'm just the type of reader you're looking for. I've never read a Spider-Girl comic in my life. I have read everything Spider-Man (non-Ultimate version) for many years but I've dropped the book because of my disgust over BND. What issue number of Spider-Girl are we talking about? The current issue or the next shipping number? I'll buy a few copies just for the hell of it.

Dude, don't overbuy, just start reading it. You'll really like it, then get a friend to read it (double points if they drop ASM to pick up ASG). Or if you do want to get a couple issues, give them to some little kids or friends that might like the book.

 

[spider greg]

I love SG, the only problem is I got behind on reading it when my daughter was born, it wasn't in the "must read" pile at the time. Now that I can pull it off I'm going to start reading it from the beginning since I forgot a lot of the story. With the new Status quo and SG together it 's double the good Spidey reading.
To answer the topic question...no I won't buy 2 copies.

 

[wolvie2020]

I've been thinking...

While alot of guys have been cancelling, there are some people that have jumped aboard BND... and I think it might be evening out. These big dramatic turns always draw attention.

So I thought, maybe cancelling the book in protest isn't enough, because the sales figures just won't show the annoyance in direction.

So what if Spider-Girl got a bigger sales boost? That would definately send a signal about the kind of direction people want.

That's when I came up with the idea that the guys that have cancelled, the guys that aren't happy but are still buying...

We could all start buying two issues or more each of Spider-Girl.

If ya think it's a good idea, get the message out there and post this idea on any comic boards you go to.

You know, I think part of this is that Joe Q WANTED to boost sales of SG this way. I think he also really believes he can get even more people to pick up ASM. It's quite a gamble.

One of the reasons I believe this is because has gone on the record a few times saying to fans 'if you really love the marriage, we have a GREAT book you should pick up called Spider-Girl.'

And everyone here knows how much he believes that it was the marriage that held back the sales/quality of Spider-Man.

So yeah, he's gone as far as drawing the nook that ended it all to actually show us how much he believes in this.

I really hope he's right, 'cause as a Spidey fan, there's only so much we can take.

BND was off to a DAMN 'amazing!' start