With this new information....could this be the climatic Battle???

[FaT_tONle]

And that theme is a UNIVERSAL one; for every SM film. If no one dies, other than Harry, then in all actuality, they only used it once (in SM1).



It's been done already. Case closed. Norman in SM1 and Curt Octavius () in SM2. Connors will likely just be a plot device at this point. If not, it will just be redudant.



Doubt it. Not if he's fired from the Bugle and gets the symbiote in this film. If they wanted to do the Brock/Peter thing, they would have STARTED it in this film and continued it into others. But they don't seem to be doing that. So that's dead.



Get me a defining arc of Spidey that they can still adapt (that's LOGICAL) and then we'll have a discussion.

Hey I ain't the one who said we'll make six movies... I thought they should've filmed em back to back with that being the end of it... second of all... movies are not comics... all they need is material but they don't have to stick by it 100 percent... the characters and the material is there... all I am saying is get in a new cast a new director and let's see what his vision is of SPiderman... all you have to do is use characters that appear in writing but you don't have to stick to the stories or themes written in them.

 

[Cmill216]

Hey I ain't the one who said we'll make six movies... I thought they should've filmed em back to back with that being the end of it... second of all...

Oh, I'm not attacking you. I'm questioning the theory in general.

movies are not comics... all they need is material but they don't have to stick by it 100 percent... the characters and the material is there... all I am saying is get in a new cast a new director and let's see what his vision is of SPiderman... all you have to do is use characters that appear in writing but you don't have to stick to the stories or themes written in them.

But, so far (despite changes and alterations and trait movements) they have sticked to storylines from the comics. That's the point. So, now, where do you go from here?

I've come to the conclusion that even if SM3 is a great film that tells a good story, it will still be a bit of a letdown if MJ lives. Honestly, the death of his first "true love" is SO vital. They did it in ASM, and they did it in the 90s toon (sort of).

 

[FaT_tONle]

Well if MJ doesn't die you can still use that... that's beside the point... I agree Spiderman has always been about one guy... other franchises that went beyond three movies had multiple characters... ofcourse there are exceptions but still I agree that it will be redundant... and once they stop making money they won't be making the films anymore but that doesn't mean they might not repeat what has been done before... why not use it if it still works... it's not like it hasn't been redundant already... the same sh:t will probably repeated untill the money stops coming...

 

[Cmill216]

Well if MJ doesn't die you can still use that... that's beside the point... I agree Spiderman has always been about one guy... other franchises that went beyond three movies had multiple characters... ofcourse there are exceptions but still I agree that it will be redundant... and once they stop making money they won't be making the films anymore but that doesn't mean they might not repeat what has been done before... why not use it if it still works... it's not like it hasn't been redundant already... the same sh:t will probably repeated untill the money stops coming...

Sony is not stupid when it comes to this franchise. If they feel like they can't deliver the full, complete goods, they'll stop. Especially considering the budgets can only go up for Spidey films (the law of outdoing yourself with each subsequent film).

 

[Image]

Given what we have seen, heard, and read, could this be perhaps what we see in the final battle (royal)?

Green Goblin and Sandman team up. Both were foiled in the beginning and throughout the movie by Spider-man, so the Goblin decides he needs Flint's muscle and Flint decides he needs Harry's recourses, and knowledge of Spider-man. They abduct Gwen Stacey, because Harry knows that Peter cares for her, but takes her, because he doesn't want to harm Mary Jane (he still has feelings for her) and takes her to the Construction Site.

When Spider-man comes, they are there, waiting. Goblin has Gwen, and is taunting Spider-man with her. Sandman begins to collect sand from the site, and....grows. He and Spider-man square off. As the Sandman concentrates all of his efforts on the webhead, all Peter can think of is saving Gwen. There is a great scene of Spider-man dodging his way through the construction site, avoiding sand maces and mallets weilded by the giant Sandman, to try and save Gwen before Goblin drops her.

Peter gets there...but is too late. He pulls the falling Gwen up onto the top of the crane with his webline, and her limp body lies in front of him. Peter, now in a complete rage lashes out at Goblin. He and Spider-man have a quck ariel battle, until Sandman re-enters the action. It is two on one and Spider-man needs a miracle.

It comes in the form of Venom. The monster lands with a thud on the back of Marko, taking him to the ground, and sinks his teeth into Sandman's neck. Sandman, poisoned, begins to loose his shape and dies. Harry sees all that is happening around him and realizes that this is NOT who he is. He charges down at Venom and Venom smashes him to the ground. Then, with Harry out of the way, we get the much anticipated...Spider-man vs. Venom fight.

Ofcourse at this point, the weary Spider-man is getting it handed to him on a platter. Venom picks up a piece of debris, and is about to plunge it into the chest of the wallcrawler. At that moment, the Goblin comes flying towards him, with his mask off, and leaps towards the monster...saving Spider-man.
Venom, after Harry knocks him back, uses the debris to impale Harry.

Before he dies, Harry tells Peter he is sorry, and that it wasn't Spider-man who was responsible for his father's death, it was Norman's alone. Then he tells him "Don't tell MJ" and dies. Fueled by even more fury, Spider-man goes after Venom.


-That's generally the way I think that things will shake up, in a workable fashion....what do you think...post your own.

-R

Sounds good to me.

 

[Venom1998]

hahaha people on here kill me when they think they have the whole film figured out already

 

[Cmill216]

hahaha people on here kill me when they think they have the whole film figured out already

Who is this addressed to: Robin's theory, or my crap?

 

[Venom1998]

Who is this addressed to: Robin's theory, or my crap?

Both

 

[Cmill216]

Both

Oh, okay. Just checking.

.... If you have something USEFUL to say, please share it with us, sometime. We're all anxiously awaiting that moment.

 

[The Shape]

Oh, okay. Just checking.

.... If you have something USEFUL to say, please share it with us, sometime. We're all anxiously awaiting that moment.

HAHA.

 

[Carnotaur3]

What the hell? I thought it was already established that Harry was helping Spidey at the end with the construction site and that Venom and Sandman teamed up?

 

[Robin91939]

What the hell? I thought it was already established that Harry was helping Spidey at the end with the construction site and that Venom and Sandman teamed up?

Everything is subject to change.

-R

 

[The Shape]

What the hell? I thought it was already established that Harry was helping Spidey at the end with the construction site and that Venom and Sandman teamed up?

that'll pretty much be the case, one way or another.

 

[Pagrebo]

Sony is not stupid when it comes to this franchise. If they feel like they can't deliver the full, complete goods, they'll stop. Especially considering the budgets can only go up for Spidey films (the law of outdoing yourself with each subsequent film).

Perhaps, however, this is where Sony is making a mistake in SM3. Using your theory of villains tying into the moral dilemma of the movie, what do we have with SM3 if we are going to have Sandman, Venom, and GG2? GG2 is clearly the most obvious arc, as Harry is firmly established as a character. But what do Venom and Sandman bring to the thematic table? If Sony is feeling that all the critical arcs of SM have been covered, then are they not risking the legacy of this trilogy by overloading this film for the sheer sake of sensationalism?

You may be right that they see this as the end of the series for now, but they may not be "delivering the goods" by stuffing everything SM fanboys may be craving for into one film. If that is the reason for Venom, they are making a huge mistake.

I would hope that this will be the end of the "story about a girl." Subsequently, the Goblin legacy can be brought to a close. If they decide to move on with the series, Gwen Stacey becomes the new love of his life as he looks at the world as a true adult, complete with all the challenges and complications that come with it. It could be an opportunity to stretch the character(s) beyond the boundaries of the comics, and to experience some fresh ideas and twists on Peter Parker, aka Spiderman.

 

[SM71]

Cmill great stuff I've been saying this for a while now, it's not about the villains and all the other characters, even though theyre needed to tell and enhance the story, its about Spiderman/Peter Parker

 

[The Shape]

Perhaps, however, this is where Sony is making a mistake in SM3. Using your theory of villains tying into the moral dilemma of the movie, what do we have with SM3 if we are going to have Sandman, Venom, and GG2? GG2 is clearly the most obvious arc, as Harry is firmly established as a character. But what do Venom and Sandman bring to the thematic table? If Sony is feeling that all the critical arcs of SM have been covered, then are they not risking the legacy of this trilogy by overloading this film for the sheer sake of sensationalism?

You may be right that they see this as the end of the series for now, but they may not be "delivering the goods" by stuffing everything SM fanboys may be craving for into one film. If that is the reason for Venom, they are making a huge mistake.

I would hope that this will be the end of the "story about a girl." Subsequently, the Goblin legacy can be brought to a close. If they decide to move on with the series, Gwen Stacey becomes the new love of his life as he looks at the world as a true adult, complete with all the challenges and complications that come with it. It could be an opportunity to stretch the character(s) beyond the boundaries of the comics, and to experience some fresh ideas and twists on Peter Parker, aka Spiderman.

the movie's not gonna be overloaded. it may seem that way now, but when we see the finished product, everything will piece together perfectly.

as for mj, this will NOT be the end of her. gwen is being introduced as temptation for peter while he is "under the influence" of the symbiote. therefore, peter and mj will go through some rough times. but at the end, when spidey comes to his senses, he will refuse gwen and mj and pete will be fine.

she will not become the "new" love of his life. MJ is the love of his life in these movies. the ONLY love of his life. he would'nt give that up over the course of a movie.

 

[Cmill216]

Perhaps, however, this is where Sony is making a mistake in SM3. Using your theory of villains tying into the moral dilemma of the movie, what do we have with SM3 if we are going to have Sandman, Venom, and GG2? GG2 is clearly the most obvious arc, as Harry is firmly established as a character. But what do Venom and Sandman bring to the thematic table?

I explained Sandman in one of those early posts; just going by what we know (and we know little about his role in the film) he represents an adversary that Spidey can't physically defeat. So our hero will have to simply outthink him...

As for Venom, the film is about Peter's struggle with the symbiote: internally, as the black costume possesses him, and externally as Venom.

It could be an opportunity to stretch the character(s) beyond the boundaries of the comics, and to experience some fresh ideas and twists on Peter Parker, aka Spiderman.

Problem is, people will whine louder than we've ever heard them whine before if some director comes in and makes Spidey completely his own. Raimi has made his changes, but he's stuck to storylines and concepts straight from the comics (hell, even panels themselves).

 

[FaT_tONle]

the movie's not gonna be overloaded. it may seem that way now, but when we see the finished product, everything will piece together perfectly.

as for mj, this will NOT be the end of her. gwen is being introduced as temptation for peter while he is "under the influence" of the symbiote. therefore, peter and mj will go through some rough times. but at the end, when spidey comes to his senses, he will refuse gwen and mj and pete will be fine.

she will not become the "new" love of his life. MJ is the love of his life in these movies. the ONLY love of his life. he would'nt give that up over the course of a movie.

... people think MJ will die b/c Peter lost girls in the comic but it won't be the case... Raimi has said this one would differ most from the comics so I think this is probably the case

 

[TheSlag]

... people think MJ will die b/c Peter lost girls in the comic but it won't be the case... Raimi has said this one would differ most from the comics so I think this is probably the case

If they don't kill off MJ, then they do "not" understand what makes Spider-Man... Spider-Man.

No Goblin Legacy. No "the ones I love always pay the price"... in this case, the ultimate price.

And the fans, the movie going fans, as well as the fans who love the greatness, that was and still is, the golden years of ASM... are the worse for it.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

... people think MJ will die b/c Peter lost girls in the comic but it won't be the case... Raimi has said this one would differ most from the comics so I think this is probably the case

And that slightly dissapoints me.

 

[Venom1998]

Oh, okay. Just checking.

.... If you have something USEFUL to say, please share it with us, sometime. We're all anxiously awaiting that moment.

mmmmmmmmm the land of chocolate

 

[ProjectPat2280]

mmmmmmmmm the land of chocolate

He said useful, not ******ed.

 

[Venom1998]

He said useful, not ******ed.

Coulda sworn that was something useful

 

[CrashNburn]

Given what we have seen, heard, and read, could this be perhaps what we see in the final battle (royal)?

Green Goblin and Sandman team up. Both were foiled in the beginning and throughout the movie by Spider-man, so the Goblin decides he needs Flint's muscle and Flint decides he needs Harry's recourses, and knowledge of Spider-man. They abduct Gwen Stacey, because Harry knows that Peter cares for her, but takes her, because he doesn't want to harm Mary Jane (he still has feelings for her) and takes her to the Construction Site.

When Spider-man comes, they are there, waiting. Goblin has Gwen, and is taunting Spider-man with her. Sandman begins to collect sand from the site, and....grows. He and Spider-man square off. As the Sandman concentrates all of his efforts on the webhead, all Peter can think of is saving Gwen. There is a great scene of Spider-man dodging his way through the construction site, avoiding sand maces and mallets weilded by the giant Sandman, to try and save Gwen before Goblin drops her.

Peter gets there...but is too late. He pulls the falling Gwen up onto the top of the crane with his webline, and her limp body lies in front of him. Peter, now in a complete rage lashes out at Goblin. He and Spider-man have a quck ariel battle, until Sandman re-enters the action. It is two on one and Spider-man needs a miracle.

It comes in the form of Venom. The monster lands with a thud on the back of Marko, taking him to the ground, and sinks his teeth into Sandman's neck. Sandman, poisoned, begins to loose his shape and dies. Harry sees all that is happening around him and realizes that this is NOT who he is. He charges down at Venom and Venom smashes him to the ground. Then, with Harry out of the way, we get the much anticipated...Spider-man vs. Venom fight.

Ofcourse at this point, the weary Spider-man is getting it handed to him on a platter. Venom picks up a piece of debris, and is about to plunge it into the chest of the wallcrawler. At that moment, the Goblin comes flying towards him, with his mask off, and leaps towards the monster...saving Spider-man.
Venom, after Harry knocks him back, uses the debris to impale Harry.

Before he dies, Harry tells Peter he is sorry, and that it wasn't Spider-man who was responsible for his father's death, it was Norman's alone. Then he tells him "Don't tell MJ" and dies. Fueled by even more fury, Spider-man goes after Venom.


-That's generally the way I think that things will shake up, in a workable fashion....what do you think...post your own.

-R

this sounds ok to me.

 

[TROCK121980]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin91939
Given what we have seen, heard, and read, could this be perhaps what we see in the final battle (royal)?

Green Goblin and Sandman team up. Both were foiled in the beginning and throughout the movie by Spider-man, so the Goblin decides he needs Flint's muscle and Flint decides he needs Harry's recourses, and knowledge of Spider-man. They abduct Gwen Stacey, because Harry knows that Peter cares for her, but takes her, because he doesn't want to harm Mary Jane (he still has feelings for her) and takes her to the Construction Site.

When Spider-man comes, they are there, waiting. Goblin has Gwen, and is taunting Spider-man with her. Sandman begins to collect sand from the site, and....grows. He and Spider-man square off. As the Sandman concentrates all of his efforts on the webhead, all Peter can think of is saving Gwen. There is a great scene of Spider-man dodging his way through the construction site, avoiding sand maces and mallets weilded by the giant Sandman, to try and save Gwen before Goblin drops her.

Peter gets there...but is too late. He pulls the falling Gwen up onto the top of the crane with his webline, and her limp body lies in front of him. Peter, now in a complete rage lashes out at Goblin. He and Spider-man have a quck ariel battle, until Sandman re-enters the action. It is two on one and Spider-man needs a miracle.

It comes in the form of Venom. The monster lands with a thud on the back of Marko, taking him to the ground, and sinks his teeth into Sandman's neck. Sandman, poisoned, begins to loose his shape and dies. Harry sees all that is happening around him and realizes that this is NOT who he is. He charges down at Venom and Venom smashes him to the ground. Then, with Harry out of the way, we get the much anticipated...Spider-man vs. Venom fight.

Ofcourse at this point, the weary Spider-man is getting it handed to him on a platter. Venom picks up a piece of debris, and is about to plunge it into the chest of the wallcrawler. At that moment, the Goblin comes flying towards him, with his mask off, and leaps towards the monster...saving Spider-man.
Venom, after Harry knocks him back, uses the debris to impale Harry.

Before he dies, Harry tells Peter he is sorry, and that it wasn't Spider-man who was responsible for his father's death, it was Norman's alone. Then he tells him "Don't tell MJ" and dies. Fueled by even more fury, Spider-man goes after Venom.


-That's generally the way I think that things will shake up, in a workable fashion....what do you think...post your own.

-R

This sounds like one hell of an idea. I would want to see this. You can have the ticket price for this idea.